Is this guy crazy, a genius or a cuck?

[DoWhatWorks]

This is isn't an entry-level discussion so only reply with opinions if:

1. You've laid more than 50 girls
2. You've kept at least 10 FB's for longer than 6 months

@topcat shared this wild 3 hour interview with me of a BDSM sex expert and sex party host.

The relevant segment (starts @ 1:50:00 and ends @ 2:05:00)

I haven't watched the whole thing yet but I think it would make great conversation here.

Question: is this guy a genius, crazy or just a cuck?

Summary of the guy/video

• He's in a 3-way open marriage with his wife (former girlfriend) and 1 other guy (who he met at a sex party and introduced to his wife)
• The 3 hit it off and when the other guy wanted to propose to his then girlfriend, he convinced him that they should propose together
• He lives with his wife and other "husband" in a separate room
• The other husband is more "nurturing/emotional" and wants kids while he doesn't (I.E he's just a fuckbuddy to his wife)
• He's fully polyamorous but believes in "4-hour monogamy" where he may give his wife monogomy during one sex party

I can't lie when I first saw this video I recoiled and thought this guy was an idiot/cuck but when I dug into it deeper I thought (although it's not something I would do) this guy may have solved long term western relationships for players who want to pairbond

Why he may be a genius

• He's outsourced relationship escalation of babies, emotional depth commitment etc. to probably some cool beta
• He remains the fun fuckboy to his wife (for life!!) and still meets all her needs as the other guy does all the boring stuff
• The Western world won't fight him or give pressure because from the outset he's just a cuck sharing a woman lol
• This guy speaks fluent womanese and flowery talk so can navigate it in polyamorous social circles where he's pre-selected and desired

Why he may be a cuck

• He's sharing his "wife" with another man (don't need to say any more than that)

My personal view?

I think he's crazy BUT I think he's genuinely solved his own problem of pair-bonding with his girl in a way that gives a form of freedom that he likes.


What are your thoughts - crazy, genius or a cuck... And Why?

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Thank you x

 

[topcat]

good post.

to add:

the segment in question is below (starts @ 1:50:00, ends @ 2:05:00)

 

[samuraijack]

Why he may be a genius

• This guy speaks fluent womanese and flowery talk so can navigate it in polyamorous social circles where he's pre-selected and desired

That's probably the only point i give him credit for.

• He's outsourced relationship escalation of babies, emotional depth commitment etc. to probably some cool beta

Don't want my kids (boys or girls) to be raised by a beta (no matter how cool), or for my kids to grow up witnessing mom have a revolving door of men + "dad 1" + "dad 2". What happens if the beta and wife have a kid?

• He remains the fun fuckboy to his wife (for life!!) and still meets all her needs as the other guy does all the boring stuff

The mom also has other fun fuckboys (who do not share any paternal responsibilities). And with how fickle women are, I would still bet money on her changing her mind down the road.

Seems like more of a headache. I would also bet money hes not disclosing that he likes butt stuff (bi).

 

[Chase]

Like @samuraijack, I'm definitely getting some gay vibes there from the video. Smile, eyes, voice, mannerisms, etc.

Here's my hypothesis: this guy isn't a cuck or crazy. He's just a bi-guy who figured out a way to get his chick to agree to let him keep both a chick and a dude in the house at the same time.

It'll probably last until one of them knocks the chick up. Then fun times will be over and the woman is going to make one of the dudes leave.

 

[Skills]

so i will give you a story for context of a relationship:

There was a husband and wife, they had 2 kids........ The wife and husband wanted for her to have a "boyfriend"...... I found this out post sex, thankfully i got my lays in..... so here is were i concluded was happening, the dude did not want to deal with the responsability aka work...

When guys have wife they have to "work" or the relationship will die, work i call take her out for fun activities and relationship activities such as dancing, movies, traveling, concerts etc..... When you have a wife or live in this is extremely taxing specially to guys like us that are abnormal (lets face it we are not the norm)........ So the hubby just wanted to outsource the husband make wife happy activities duties, to me...... After i banged her couple of times and i saw this were it was going with the excessive texting and calling me love and i put 2 and 2 together i did my magician act and disappeared.......... Specially when husband wanted to make sure i was safe and wanted to meet me and invited me to dinner (no he was not bi, or got off on watching or anything like that, the meta is what i am saying outsource the other husband responsibilities' of entertainment)

^ i suspect this is what he is doing similar, i just don't get the why he made a main a girl that wanted kids, that was his major mistake but since the dude is secret society and one of us, no he is no bi.... What i suspect happened is he met a girl fell in love and the wife bait and switched with the "oops now i want kids" crap.... Instead of break up, he just outsorced it.... is a weird relationship but if is working for him then good.... i don't see that working long term tbh....but who knows they are all friends...

he was like well, we are already in an open marriage lets have that other dude take care of it.... It is extremely unusual due to an open marriage you are not suppose to live together, have kids, or get emotionally involve with other people.... But it seems is working they are more like a friendship.... Dude is not bi, if he was bi he would have said it....

in the secret society we don't really judge with the labels by the way.....

 

[topcat]

When guys have wife they have to "work" or the relationship will die, work i call take her out for fun activities and relationship activities such as dancing, movies, traveling, concerts etc..... When you have a wife or live in this is extremely taxing specially to guys like us that are abnormal (lets face it we are not the norm)........ So the hubby just wanted to outsource the husband make wife happy activities duties, to me...... After i banged her couple of times and i saw this were it was going with the excessive texting and calling me love and i put 2 and 2 together i did my magician act and disappeared.......... Specially when husband wanted to make sure i was safe and wanted to meet me and invited me to dinner (no he was not bi, or got off on watching or anything like that, the meta is what i am saying outsource the other husband responsibilities' of entertainment)

This is my suspicion also. Outsource is the right word. Why i found it interesting is that he seems to have outsourced the relationship duties to a beta while maintaining a lover frame in a “marriage”. I thought it was pretty smart tbh.

 

[KJ Francis]

^ i suspect this is what he is doing similar, i just don't get the why he made a main a girl that wanted kids, that was his major mistake

Better to have kids with side chicks? Like drop your seed in a jungle somewhere with $1k, let him be raised tough by the tribe and tell him on his 18th birthday he's a US citizen?

"To all my second string bitches... Try and get a baby" -Kanye... You say reverse?

@DoWhatWorks not offering opinion lol asking skills opinion

 

[Chase]

A lot of bi dudes keep that closer to the chest than gay dudes.

I have known multiple skilled PUAs who were bi but would never let it on unless you knew them really well. Usually I wouldn’t find out until the guy started trying to put the moves on me in private. There is no way the guy will admit to that in an interview.

^ i suspect this is what he is doing similar, i just don't get the why he made a main a girl that wanted kids, that was his major mistake but since the dude is secret society and one of us, no he is no bi.... What i suspect happened is he met a girl fell in love and the wife bait and switched with the "oops now i want kids" crap.... Instead of break up, he just outsorced it.... is a weird relationship but if is working for him then good.... i don't see that working long term tbh....but who knows they are all friends...

he was like well, we are already in an open marriage lets have that other dude take care of it.... It is extremely unusual due to an open marriage you are not suppose to live together, have kids, or get emotionally involve with other people.... But it seems is working they are more like a friendship.... Dude is not bi, if he was bi he would have said it....

in the secret society we don't really judge with the labels by the way.....

That’s what I’m saying. It doesn’t add up. Dude clearly knows what he is doing. He just found one chick he got feelings for so bad that he wanted to marry and live with her, despite not wanting kids, despite HER wanting kids, so he’s going to have some other dude live with them to handle that side of things?

Does he give a reason why marriage is so important to him in the video? Did he always dream of being married, but he just doesn’t care if there are other folks in the marriage or if his wife has kids with someone else?

Secret Society dudes know they can let the beta marry the wife then just keep shagging her on the side. The way they have it constructed this dude gets all the legal liability for… what?

Anyway, there’s some kind of non-disclosed thing happening here.

My suspicion is bisexual, got the chick to agree to also have a dude, and married her to make sure that she is HIS (Secret Society dude’s) chick, and she can’t run him off easily just because the beta (i.e., his BF) knocks her up and she wants a more traditional relationship.

There are other possibilities here, like this guy’s a broke hustler and the chick is rich, and he needed to rope in another dude who’d give her kids to be able to get her to agree to marriage so he can get a nice divorce settlement later down the road when she decides she wants a traditional thing with the kids’ father, etc.

But yeah, just taking him at pure face value requires a whole lotta pretzel logic + thinking that this guy is both talented with women but also gets really in love for one special girl who is not the right match for him at all and wants to marry her while having another guy knock her up.

I’m also curious about the story of befriending this dude at a sex party, lol. Most sex parties are like 75% gay dudes banging each other in the butts on the stairs and stuff… Any time I have a dude telling me, “Hey, I met this really cool dude at a sex party!” my first instinct is to think, “Met him banging him on a staircase, that is…”

Chase

 

[PaulieFlyn10]

Definitely a cuck. No question. He's smart. But more or less, a smart cuck

 

[POB]

Like @samuraijack, I'm definitely getting some gay vibes there from the video. Smile, eyes, voice, mannerisms, etc.

Here's my hypothesis: this guy isn't a cuck or crazy. He's just a bi-guy who figured out a way to get his chick to agree to let him keep both a chick and a dude in the house at the same time.

It'll probably last until one of them knocks the chick up. Then fun times will be over and the woman is going to make one of the dudes leave.

Here, lemme show you how this is going to shape up:

good post.

to add:

the segment in question is below (starts @ 1:50:00, ends @ 2:05:00)

I think those guys are tripping to be honest.
The overall concept he is describing is more or less ok, but the execution is completely flawed.

First, that's not how non-mono works long-term.
Like @Skills said, it's 100% secret society...the fact that they are giving an interview, and putting it on camera for everybody to see, already defeats the first purpose.

Second, if you are sharing your wife with another dude, per rules, there must be zero attachment. It's 100% pump and dump for him. Yes, she can have one or two FBs on the side, just like you. But they are as far away as possible removed from any social circle you and her could be involved with. This inverted mormon shit won't work long-term just because of our own biological design.

Three, outsourcing hubbie duties seems like a super lazy move to me. If you don't want to be a hubbie, don't "marry" her. Let her stay as your GF forever, or until the relationship ends. It's not that hard.

 

[Skills]

A lot of bi dudes keep that closer to the chest than gay dudes.

I have known multiple skilled PUAs who were bi but would never let it on unless you knew them really well. Usually I wouldn’t find out until the guy started trying to put the moves on me in private. There is no way the guy will admit to that in an interview.



That’s what I’m saying. It doesn’t add up. Dude clearly knows what he is doing. He just found one chick he got feelings for so bad that he wanted to marry and live with her, despite not wanting kids, despite HER wanting kids, so he’s going to have some other dude live with them to handle that side of things?

Does he give a reason why marriage is so important to him in the video? Did he always dream of being married, but he just doesn’t care if there are other folks in the marriage or if his wife has kids with someone else?

Secret Society dudes know they can let the beta marry the wife then just keep shagging her on the side. The way they have it constructed this dude gets all the legal liability for… what?

Anyway, there’s some kind of non-disclosed thing happening here.

My suspicion is bisexual, got the chick to agree to also have a dude, and married her to make sure that she is HIS (Secret Society dude’s) chick, and she can’t run him off easily just because the beta (i.e., his BF) knocks her up and she wants a more traditional relationship.

There are other possibilities here, like this guy’s a broke hustler and the chick is rich, and he needed to rope in another dude who’d give her kids to be able to get her to agree to marriage so he can get a nice divorce settlement later down the road when she decides she wants a traditional thing with the kids’ father, etc.

But yeah, just taking him at pure face value requires a whole lotta pretzel logic + thinking that this guy is both talented with women but also gets really in love for one special girl who is not the right match for him at all and wants to marry her while having another guy knock her up.

I’m also curious about the story of befriending this dude at a sex party, lol. Most sex parties are like 75% gay dudes banging each other in the butts on the stairs and stuff… Any time I have a dude telling me, “Hey, I met this really cool dude at a sex party!” my first instinct is to think, “Met him banging him on a staircase, that is…”

Chase

I was going to mention the broke hustler angle as well, but was not sure is that...the reason I don't think is the bi thing is cause a lot of Asians I know have similar mannerisms... I still don't understand how bi or not matter in the set up...I also know many bi puas, high skilled, fortunately they have not hit on me yet.... reason I am in doubt is due to the couple I met he was not bi or gay at all...and was identical situation...

 

[Skills]

Here, lemme show you how this is going to shape up:

I think those guys are tripping to be honest.
The overall concept he is describing is more or less ok, but the execution is completely flawed.

First, that's not how non-mono works long-term.
Like @Skills said, it's 100% secret society...the fact that they are giving an interview, and putting it on camera for everybody to see, already defeats the first purpose.

Second, if you are sharing your wife with another dude, per rules, there must be zero attachment. It's 100% pump and dump for him. Yes, she can have one or two FBs on the side, just like you. But they are as far away as possible removed from any social circle you and her could be involved with. This inverted mormon shit won't work long-term just because of our own biological design.

Three, outsourcing hubbie duties seems like a super lazy move to me. If you don't want to be a hubbie, don't "marry" her. Let her stay as your GF forever, or until the relationship ends. It's not that hard.

You can be secret society and be public we are a narrow niche nobody is going to find who they are...

Number 2, Is the part I am confused about...

Number 3 outsourcing the have to wife/hubby duty is no lazy is smart... I try doing this constantly no with other guys fucking her, but with her friends and family.... I don't like, want to do or even enjoy a lot of the couple activities for me is effort ...

 

[Skills]

Better to have kids with side chicks? Like drop your seed in a jungle somewhere with $1k, let him be raised tough by the tribe and tell him on his 18th birthday he's a US citizen?

"To all my second string bitches... Try and get a baby" -Kanye... You say reverse?

@DoWhatWorks not offering opinion lol asking skills opinion

I don't have kids that I know off, you guys are my son's and the girls I fuck my daughters is mrs. Skills theory lol ..so I can't answer...I would be kj

 

[KJ Francis]

I don't have kids that I know off, you guys are my son's and the girls I fuck my daughters is mrs. Skills theory lol ..so I can't answer...I would be kj

hmm daughters makes sense but maybe Uncle Skills lol my guess is Chase may be writing articles among the Mosuo in China...

 

[Chase]

@Skills,

the reason I don't think is the bi thing is cause a lot of Asians I know have similar mannerisms...

Oh okay. Well I can tell you... I've had a bunch of Asian playboy friends, thanks to living in California + spending a bunch of time in Asia. They can be a bit more feminine than other dudes. But there is still a difference between regular Asians / playboy Asians and gay Asians (this guy is in the latter camp if you ask me).

I still don't understand how bi or not matter in the set up...I also know many bi puas, high skilled, fortunately they have not hit on me yet.... reason I am in doubt is due to the couple I met he was not bi or gay at all...and was identical situation...

I've tried everything I can think of to outsource the emotional management of relationships, short of bringing in another dude, lol... the thing is, if you are the guy she is most into, there is only so much of the emotional labor you can outsource. She will do couples stuff with the beta dude, but you are still going to get drama from her if she views you as really "the main guy." And if the other guy is going to become her "main guy", then why would you marry her? Why not let her marry him, and you're just the side-dick? Then if (when) it all goes tits up you can easily leave. Not so with a marriage contract.

The other suspicion I have here is that this dude is BPD... it's pretty common to find skilled playboys who are BPD. The thing for them is always fear of abandonment. The guys I have known like this are really good at keeping girls around by hook or by crook, and always finding ways to rope them into them. BPD guys are across the board bisexual, IME, too. So "Okay, you date him, and have kids with him. But you marry me, okay?" is the kind of strategy you might expect to see from a BPD playboy who is trying to lock the girl in by giving her what she says she wants, that he doesn't want to do himself, while trying to minimize the risk of abandonment.

Bonus points that he gets to also lock in a guy he has attached to, because the guy is devoted to the girl (and any kids he has with her down the line) but the BPD guy still controls her emotionally and ultimately has the "Look dude, I know you love her, but don't forget, she is married to ME" leverage card to pull out if the other dude starts trying to push him out. So that way neither guy nor gal can easily leave or easily push the BPD playboy out of the throuple.

Chase

 

[POB]

You can be secret society and be public we are a narrow niche nobody is going to find who they are...

fair enough

Number 2, Is the part I am confused about...

Talking long-term...short-term, if all parts agree, it's doable

Number 3 outsourcing the have to wife/hubby duty is no lazy is smart... I try doing this constantly no with other guys fucking her, but with her friends and family.... I don't like, want to do or even enjoy a lot of the couple activities for me is effort ...

Oh, I see what you mean...my point was why get married and be a hubbie if you don't want to get those responsibilities in the first place?
It's confusing...why not just stay as serious bf then?