This argument is like a sponge... mushy and full of gaping holes.
Sure, he got the lay, but there were WAY more risk-averse,
Machiavellian strategies. Getting the lay while simultaneously eliminating potential social consequences for him while mitigating social/emotional consequences for the girl to ensure she has a positive experience… THAT’S good game.
This wasn't that. At all. But not because it was deceiving.
Good deception is GREAT game. For example, improving your
social frame when meeting a girl on the street at 2 AM by telling her that you just walked your best friend home to ensure that she would get home safely amidst all the creepy guys who grope, grab, stalk, and harass during nightlife… while in reality you were just wandering around looking for a lone girl to approach… this can be a mutual win-win.
It’s not the truth but it quickly communicates ideas that are beneficial for both parties. As long as you truly are a safe guy, that is.
Speaking personally, my most significant jumps as a seducer were built on the backs of understanding how to influence people through verbals. Manipulation has allowed women and I to have amazing, unforgettable experiences together.
In fact, I barely tell "truths" about my personal life or viewpoints when in-field, such as during
this lay, (or
this one or…)
Even something like this, which was pivotal
to help a crying girl flip her terrible night into one for the books, is 100% deception:
Me: You know, I have a very important question for you. Why do we go out, why do we party, why do we do these things? To have fun, right?
HB: Yeah…
Me: And crying… that’s not fun. But the sad reality is that women especially have so much pressure on them when they go out. All the standards of society weighing down on them, the judgement of peers, the gross groping of guys. It’s such a shame that these things are so common… but since they are, I often try to help my friends through them. Here, you can talk to me. Promise
HB: Really?
Me: Really. Like tonight, my friend Jada was at a party, and I wasn’t there with her like I normally am. Apparently some disgusting guy came out of nowhere and started grabbing her, trying to take advantage of her. It really shook her up – she called me about it and was so upset. We talked, and she calmed down… and then do you know what happened?
HB: What?
Me: Once she calmed down… she met a guy. A guy who respected her. A guy who wanted to get to know her. Actually her…and not just her body. The connection was instant, almost… and it sounds like they went home together… having a great time. It’s so incredible how a bad night can become an amazing night in just an instant, isn’t it?
But positive deceptions - perceiving how she views the world and using these themes for
frame control,
establishing relatability, etc. - they do not present risk to her well-being if managed correctly. Rather, they serve as the opposite.
Like really, imagine if when she later asked me about what I was doing earlier that night, I said, “Oh, I was wandering around the streets alone with a fake name for about three hours looking for lone girls who are walking home so that I can seduce and fuck them!”
…
On the other hand, bad deception is TERRIBLE game.
Risking your livelihood for a single ONS, and oh god, in a social circle setting at that, is the opposite of risk-averse.
Telling a
Cluster B girl that her boyfriend cheated on her with someone in the social circle is not safe for the seducer.
Telling a girl that he’s a neurosurgeon/movie star/billionaire/whatever in some weird imposter frame is just lazy and a total misconception of
how social frame works. Pretty much anything
can be reframed advantageously and that holds true for careers as well.
Gunwitch even discusses this
in SMMA.
If someone actually does something as unattractive as working at Burger King but has an interest in digital marketing, he could just say something like, “Oh yeah, one of the biggest passion points of my life is providing digital marketing strategies for fledgling businesses who can’t afford the big firms. So, I recently took the leap to start my own business doing just that and am working extra long hours to get it off the ground, but what I love most about it is how I’ve played just a little part in making the lifelong dreams of others come true while setting the foundation for the type of fulfilling life that we aspire for... know what I mean?”
It’s a conducive, sustainable deception that moves the seduction forward.
Otherwise, the girl may feel super duped and bitter like in bad cases such as the one discussed in this thread. Which again risks the livelihood of the seducer = not good seduction.
And how does it risk his livelihood?
Well, read that line about the girl claiming rape. That's surely one way.
Such rape claims may represent forms of mental hijacks that present a risk if left unhandled, and may particularly compound with mistakes along the way. Therefore risk-averse strategies should be implemented whenever possible. And no, this does not necessarily include “the truth” about whoever you are or what you do. It can, of course, but it can work the other way, too. Personally, I wouldn’t want to use my real name and have the girls I lay find out that I unknowingly laid her friends, then cause a bunch of drama for everyone both in real life and on social media, which can potentially impact our online presence and career prospects.
But yeah, some seducers are really good at social circle or Instagram game and handle these things really tightly. Impressive stuff - I just value my anonymity extremely highly. Personal thing, maybe, that may shift with further experience.
Part of this is that we can’t always account for EVERYTHING that a girl is or what she is going through. Because there are some real tough-to-handle girls out there even if things seem A-OK at first, which is something that absolutely had to learn for myself. Once again, all about risk-aversion.
Anyway, that’s my take on these ideas.
Positive, risk-averse deception is great game. The type of manipulation that makes things safer for you, moves the seduction forward, and allows her
to have beautiful moments to recall forever for her own pleasure and escapism.
Negative, risk-inducing deception is bad game. The type of manipulation that leads to rotten feelings or worse.
This was really bad game here. Not rape based on the legal understandings of my area at least. But bad game in a situation where a lay was a possibility regardless.
By the way.
Maybe Friend 1 actually DID sleep with another girl. So then he would be “deceiving.” Or maybe Friend 2 heard the rumor and believed it under that pretense. Maybe x already had suspicions about Friend 1 cheating and was rife with confirmation bias.
Point-being?
Never close your eyes.
