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It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened?

Freddy89534343

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So I go to college with this girl, 25. She has been single for a while. I paid no attention to her for the first two weeks of the course because I had no interest in her. Eventually I email her to ask her a question related to work. She asked me if I want to work with her on something - I refused.

She then started going out of her way to be next to me. Sitting next to me in every class. Staying after class just because I was doing the same. Showing up to classes early just so she could talk to me. At this point I still had no interest in her.

She then started avoiding me. I emailed her to ask what was wrong, and if I did something to upset her. She responded saying that she thought I didn't like spending time with her, but that she must have been wrong.

At this point she has this male friend who follows her around everywhere 24/7. They seem to enjoy each other’s company. She stopped going out of her way to be near me, but whenever we bumped into each other she started inviting me to do things like study with her and the other guy, and hangout with them both, but I was extremely careful not to follow her around like a dog like her guy friend does.

One time she bumped into me and invited me along. I spent some time with her and the other guy, who I tried to befriend. Her interest increased massively. She would keep making excuses to touch me e.g. hand me her phone to show me a picture on it just so she could touch my hand, and she would start ignoring her guy friend to focus on me. I would try to keep the conversation balanced between them.

After we have spent 3-4 hours together over several days, all of them due to her inviting me along after we bump into each other, her guy friend leave the room for a second. She is showing lots of interest. I tell her I want her to myself at some point and I ask her when her day off is. She freezes and says that she is busy and goes completely cold.

After she goes cold I ignore her. A couple of hours later she acts like nothing happened and put her arm around me and asked me to work with her. I was upset with her, so I ignored her and worked with someone else. She went cold again.

This is where I make some big mistakes: I email her apologising for making her uncomfortable and explaining that I liked spending time with her and wanted to get to know her better. I told her if she's not interested I'll back off and leave her alone.

She emails me saying she was just being friendly.

I email her back telling her I'm not interested in being friends, because many guys hang around girls pretending to be their friend when they want more, and it's a damaging situation.

She doesn't respond.

I email her again the next day and tell her we have nothing in common so I don't even know what I was thinking, and that it won't happen again.

She emails me back saying that she is happy to start new as friends.

I email her back telling her I'm not sorry because there is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time with someone you're fond of so that you can get to know each other properly, but that I don't know why I wanted that from her. I tell her that we can try to be friends but if any one-sided interest develops we need to end it.

She emails me back saying that she wants to be my friend because I am intelligent, bold and confident, and she likes how I challenge the tutors during the classes.

I email her back telling her that if she wants to be friends, I want to understand her better. I ask her a bunch of personal questions - no response.

The next time I see her, she is quite cold with me. She does bump into me and unenthusiastically invites me to study with her and her guy friend. I go with them and we start working on the first step of a group project together. She doesn't show me the respect or attention that she normally shows me in group work.

We don't speak for several days.

I decide to switch out of her group to work with someone else. She comes up behind me, much warmer than she has been lately, and asks if I want to study with her and her guy friend. I tell her that I've switched out of her group. She gets upset and asks me if it's because of what happened between us. I said it is not, and that I work better with the people in the other group. She seems upset and says "whatever" and walks off with her guy friend and ignores me.

I email her explaining to her that I switched out of her group because I sacrificed a lot to do this university course (along with details of sacrifices) and that recently her work has not been to a high standard and that she is not trying as hard as she could. I wrote that although she did hurt me, I have experienced much worse and I am still making progress, and that my studies take priority over everything else, and that my partner in the group I switched to takes their work very seriously.

She doesn't respond.

I email her the next day telling her to and that she should let me know if she thinks I'm wrong about her or if I'm being unreasonable. I tell her that I don't want there to be hard feeling between us but that she doesn't communicate.

She doesn't respond.

I email her the next day telling her that I was too hard on her, but that she can do well academically in university and beyond if she tries harder and doesn't give up.

No response.

After 3 days of no electronic communication, we start the next week of classes. We ignore each other all day other than a brief "hi" when we physically pass each other.
 

Smith

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

Freddy,

Freddy89534343 said:
I decide to switch out of her group to work with someone else. She comes up behind me, much warmer than she has been lately, and asks if I want to study with her and her guy friend. I tell her that I've switched out of her group. She gets upset and asks me if it's because of what happened between us. I said it is not, and that I work better with the people in the other group. She seems upset and says "whatever" and walks off with her guy friend and ignores me.

I email her explaining to her that I switched out of her group because I sacrificed a lot to do this university course (along with details of sacrifices) and that recently her work has not been to a high standard and that she is not trying as hard as she could. I wrote that although she did hurt me, I have experienced much worse and I am still making progress, and that my studies take priority over everything else, and that my partner in the group I switched to takes their work very seriously.

If you genuinely don't want to work with her because her work has been substandard, then this kind of conversation should be done in person. Telling other people they need to step up in a group project over the email is very dangerous because you're not giving them a chance to explain themselves and to improve.

If you're switching groups because of what happened between you and her then you weren't being honest with her lol. There's no need to use this excuse and told her she wasn't working hard enough, because you're punishing her for rejecting you. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
 

Freddy89534343

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

I didn't think she would be pissed off with me switching due to how cold she had been recently, her suddenly becoming warmer again caught me off guard. I didn't want her to think that I switched because she rejected me, so I was left to explain it in an email because she ended the conversation. The reason for switching was because I don't like working with her when shes so cold, her work has really been substandard recently and I wanted some distance from her after she rejected.

1) I have no idea what to do from here.
2) I have no idea why she rejected after showing so much interest. I was just trying to be direct with her, which I thought would be powerful.
 

Seppuku

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

Hey Freddy,

This story smells like deja vu over and over and over again.

She is around you and looks interested - or does she? - and you're wondering what is the meaning of all her dance around your person, and perhaps also wondering yourself if you're interested in her, and wondering what to do about it. While you're still internally debating, plenty of things happen. Her initial dance seems to have stopped and before you know it you're in her work group. By the time you decide that you're interested and want to act on it, the whole things seems already in limbo.

From her perspective, she was initially interested in you and she gave you huge signs of interest - huge, in her mind at least, almost ashamed how much she thrown herself into you. But you didn't seem to react, no matter how obvious she made it for you - in her mind. So, she decides you don't like her sexually. That's a big blow for her ego as a girl. But she's a nice person, so she decides she will keep you as a workgroup friend. You're now added to her cohort of orbiters, like this poor chap who would dream to fuck her but treated as a useful thing.

When finally you decide that you like her and want to act on her long past signs, she's completely confused and embarrassed, because her attraction is now long gone.

Welcome to the world of expiring attraction windows.

1) I have no idea what to do from here.
2) I have no idea why she rejected after showing so much interest. I was just trying to be direct with her, which I thought would be powerful.
Sorry to say, but it's too late now. It's gone! When she displayed some signs of interest, you should have acted right away. This means:

* Don't spend ages deciding if she likes you
* Don't spend ages deciding if you like her
* Act right away. You can always decide the questions above later

Good news, this pattern is predictable. Assume attraction, act faster, and you will instantly be better off. Think about it for next time!

Cheers,
Seppuku
 

Freddy89534343

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

I'm curious, do you think that escalation windows exist if you're in the same social circle/classroom environment?

I've heard a theory that escalation windows are more for environments like clubs and bars, but that they don't exist if you're in the same social circle. I'm wondering if maybe it was an issue of me not building any sort of connection with her first and could be considered an autoreject. I've gone through the deep diving article and I realize I didn't do anything in there. I don't think that we did anything other than small talk, teasing and a some rapport before I asked her.

I'm not sure, what do you think? Maybe it's one, maybe it's both.
 

Seppuku

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

Hey Freddy!

No no no! Attraction windows exist in all environments, it's how girls attraction mechanisms work, in general, nothing specific to bars and other pick up places. But they may be shorter in pick up places, yes. The big lesson: girl gave you a sign of interest? You need to act now. Like the rest of us before, you're going to lose many girls until you finally really understand this simple fact.

In this case, she clearly auto rejected. I bet it's because you didn't react on all the signs she was throwing around - it's a major cause for fast auto reject usually. Girls react much much faster than us. She already decided that it's because you don't like her. She had to protect her ego, so she decided that she doesn't like you that much, after all. But she's nice, so instead of giving you the cold nose she still kept touch with you and put you in the working group instead. She now views you the same she views this poor chap.

That's my read of your situation, given what you write, and based on so many times I've been there before.

It's going to be very hard to reverse. Chasing her like crazy will not help. Staying in her close orbit won't help either (you'll soon be like the other guy). It is best to take some distance, I think, let things cool down for a few months, and try again from fresh start. Don't have too high expectations though, and see other girls! You always stand much better chances with a new girl from scratch than trying to repair something that went wrong.

Don't beat yourself, man, we've all been there countless times. It's part of the learning.

Cheers,
Seppuku
PS. Building an emotional connection with her, like with deep diving for instance, is very important because she needs to feel comfortable before you can take her to bed. But, in itself, it's not a cause for auto rejection.
 
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Freddy89534343

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

Well I said something that really upset her and we didn't talk for 3 weeks. I texted her and told her that I realize that I hurt her and that I'll try to be gentler with her in the future. I also told her that I can't be her friend, because I don't think of her as a friend. She didn't respond. I now try to keep my distance from her.

After 6 hours of avoiding me in classes she purposely positions herself in front of me in a hallway so that we would pass each other. She then hugged me, thanked me for my text and said that we are OK now and that we are friends again.

The next day we don't interact with each other at all. At the end of the day I try to leave quickly to avoid contact with her. She starts walking extremely fast to make sure that she gets in front of me and is extremely friendly with the other guy mentioned earlier in this story. She leaves with him. I'm pretty sure she was trying to make me jealous by making sure she got in front of me so that I could see it. Or maybe she has hooked up with him, and yet she walked really fast to make sure that I saw it.

Is this interest on her part or is she messing with me?
 

Marcellus

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Re: It all went horribly wrong, what is my next step? and what the hell happened

Freddy,

Could I ask, what do you want from/with this girl?

Marcellus
 
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