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Eli

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Hi Guys,

I've been an avid reader of the website and recently (after sucking it in), decided to change my life around by approaching girls. I usually do situational openers, since direct openers are still something I dare not try yet, but I foresee myself doing so in the near future.

Recently I met this girl in the library. She sat beside me and I opened. We had a fun conversation and I got her number, and successfully set up a date.

For the date, I decided to go date-compression. I was planning to have dinner with her downtown and visit the nearby bookstore (changing venues) since I have an interest in reading and decided it would probably be a good way to show value (knowledgeable, and also a test as I like my girls to be book-lovers). Second date is to ask her for drinks then invite her back to my place for a movie *wink*

The dinner went well and I could sense she liked me, she was genuinely smiling and we were playfully touching each other. She paid for the meal despite me trying to go dutch, I told her I will get drinks next time.

After that, we went to the bookstore. We were having fun looking through the books and that was where it somehow went wrong. She mentioned that there was a book she had been meaning to read, and we found the book. I told her that as payment for the meal, I'd like to buy her the book. She became very resistant to me doing so, saying it will be easier to reserve it from the library. I was surprised at the amount of fervent resistance she gave when I told her I will like to buy it for her. I'm still relatively inexperienced, so at that moment I didn't know how to give her a speech about me not expecting anything in return from her, it is just my way of thanking her for the dinner and this is what I do.

In any case, after that incident, I could sense that she became slightly distant and there was an awkward air between us, though it was not so bad that we had to end the date immediately. We carried on browsing books, and left our separate ways.

After, as I was texting her asking her if she enjoyed herself, here's what she said:
"I enjoyed myself and your company, but after giving some thought, i feel that we're not suitable. If you don't mind we can still stay as friends :)"

I don't intend to keep in contact with her, but I'd like to know for this situation, what was the mistake I made that made her lose attraction for me? And why was she so resistant against me doing things for her (paying the bill, buying her a book as repayment?)

Thanks for all your help!
 
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Lord Byron

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Hey Eli, welcome to the boards.

Awesome job meeting and getting a date with this girl!

From the sound of things, she really liked you and wanted you to make a move man. Even from the beginning, she's investing in you - choosing to sit right beside you out of all the places she could've in the library. Think she did it accidentally? ;) She digged you from the start man!

Sounds like things were going well, and she continued to invest in you by paying for the meal, even after you tried to split it. Around this time, you mentioned that she was behaving very warmly - touching you playfully, smiling at you, complying with you to move around. This sounds like it would've been an ideal time to invite her home if she was interested in you sexually.

My guess is that when you took her somewhere else, she was still waiting for you to use the power of logistics to seclude her either at your place, hers or somewhere else private, but that she started to cool off once she realized that you weren't going to lead her to bed that night. Add to that your persistence in wanting to get her this book she mentioned and her following resistance, and instead of framing you two as a team, you start eating away at your connection a little bit, to the point where the bubble you two were in is popped.

Sounds like she wanted your cock, man, and that because you didn't lead her to it, she figured you either weren't interested in her or were too much of a pussy to pull the trigger and ask her home, so she friend-zoned you.

Don't worry though man! I've made these kind of mistakes before too, as have plenty of others on the boards, and the fact that you're out there trying to nail down a process puts you leagues above most men who never try to get a handle on this part of their lives. If you have any more questions, ask away! Curious to hear how exactly you ended the interaction at the bookstore.
 

Eli

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Hi Lord,

Thanks for your advice and insight! I'll definitely keep it in mind as I move on. I have some other questions that are bugging me too, so I'll post them up separately soon.

But for now, as requested, I will be posting about what happened nearing/post-date.

Personal Background: I am a college student (staying back at home with parents in weekends), and at my college hostel in weekdays. The hostel is just about the best logistics I have for privacy unless I'd be going for outdoor sex.

The girl and I were going our separate ways at the subway station since we are heading in opposite directions. She looks a little uncomfortable (which I attributed it to tiredness), but still managed a smile when I touched her face and told her I'd see her next time. I did not try for a kiss goodbye as I felt it was not a good time and the chances of succeeding were low.

After we left, following what the site recommended (I use the processes stated here from the site since I find them effective and they work, eg. Asking a number at a high note, leaving an interaction within 15min to have a higher chance of getting a second date, sending a message to her within 2hrs of meeting a girl to reassure a connection etc) I asked her if she enjoyed herself, preparing to set up a second date the following day if she said yes, but I received the reply as said above.

I'll quote whatever is said in our messages:

Girl: "I enjoyed myself and your company, but after giving some thought, i feel that we're not suitable. If you don't mind we can still stay as friends :)"
Me: "Why would you say we are not suitable?"
Girl: "I feel that our thinking don't match. And I can't match up to ur(sic) high standards"
Me: "I don't think it's about our thinking. It's simply about the standards. And for that, you think too lowly of yourself. If I thought you were beneath me, I wouldn't have to gather my courage to talk to you that day at the library. I was nervous, and it took me a few minutes to poke you on the shoulder and say hi because I thought YOU were above my expectations. I'm glad I'm wrong, and I know you are too. Because I like the girl I was with today, and I don't have shit standards for girls."
"Also, I am not interested to be only a friend to you. If you insist on it, I understand. No hard feelings :) If not, I'd like to see you again"
Girl: "I really appreciate your courage, but still, I would like to be just friends. And yes, no hard feelings :) thanks for ur time and company today"


After clarifying, I realized that what happened could probably be because of auto-rejection as well. I showed myself to be too unrelatable to her sometimes, but I didn't think it was serious.

What I'd like to know is, in our post-date messages, was it useful trying to explain myself to her? I'm not sure if sending a girl a chunk of explanatory text is reacting to what she said (which is weak and should not be done), but I do not want the girl to get a wrong impression of me. I hope to be enlightened about situations like these so I would know if I should send a text like that next time, or just stop contact right there.

Thanks!
 

Eli

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Lord Byron said:
Hey Eli, welcome to the boards.

Awesome job meeting and getting a date with this girl!

From the sound of things, she really liked you and wanted you to make a move man. Even from the beginning, she's investing in you - choosing to sit right beside you out of all the places she could've in the library. Think she did it accidentally? ;) She digged you from the start man!

Sounds like things were going well, and she continued to invest in you by paying for the meal, even after you tried to split it. Around this time, you mentioned that she was behaving very warmly - touching you playfully, smiling at you, complying with you to move around. This sounds like it would've been an ideal time to invite her home if she was interested in you sexually.

My guess is that when you took her somewhere else, she was still waiting for you to use the power of logistics to seclude her either at your place, hers or somewhere else private, but that she started to cool off once she realized that you weren't going to lead her to bed that night. Add to that your persistence in wanting to get her this book she mentioned and her following resistance, and instead of framing you two as a team, you start eating away at your connection a little bit, to the point where the bubble you two were in is popped.

Sounds like she wanted your cock, man, and that because you didn't lead her to it, she figured you either weren't interested in her or were too much of a pussy to pull the trigger and ask her home, so she friend-zoned you.

Don't worry though man! I've made these kind of mistakes before too, as have plenty of others on the boards, and the fact that you're out there trying to nail down a process puts you leagues above most men who never try to get a handle on this part of their lives. If you have any more questions, ask away! Curious to hear how exactly you ended the interaction at the bookstore.

Hi Lord,

It took me a while, but I realized that you can only get notified to a reply if someone quoted it! As requested, I have already posted a more detailed interaction which I left as a reply in this original thread, below your message. I was hoping you can enlighten me to a question I have in my reply too!

Many thanks once again :)
 

ProblemSolving

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Hi Eli,

Eli said:
What I'd like to know is, in our post-date messages, was it useful trying to explain myself to her?

Haha NO.

By the way you described the date, she was ready for sex THAT NIGHT and when that didn't happen, she backwards rationalized that you "weren't suitable". Don't ask for a rational explanation once you miss an escalation window, you will always get a bullshit excuse crafted to protect her ego like the one you got.

She can't admit to herself or to you, that she was ready for your D that night and when you didn't give it to her, she felt hurt and rejected.

Here's Chases article on Backwards Rationalization:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-backward-rationalization-and-how-it-affects-you-girls
 

Eli

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ProblemSolving said:
Hi Eli,

Eli said:
What I'd like to know is, in our post-date messages, was it useful trying to explain myself to her?

Haha NO.

By the way you described the date, she was ready for sex THAT NIGHT and when that didn't happen, she backwards rationalized that you "weren't suitable". Don't ask for a rational explanation once you miss an escalation window, you will always get a bullshit excuse crafted to protect her ego like the one you got.

She can't admit to herself or to you, that she was ready for your D that night and when you didn't give it to her, she felt hurt and rejected.

Here's Chases article on Backwards Rationalization:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-backward-rationalization-and-how-it-affects-you-girls

Hi ProblemSolving,

Looking back, I see what you mean now. I will take your advice to heart, and keep this in mind for next time!

Really appreciate your help :)
 
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