Just read a book that inadvertently encapsulates female behavior

[ph40]

I was recently reading a true crime story written by a man falsely accused of murdering a billionaire financier in the late 1990s. The title of the book is "Framed in Monte Carlo" by Ted Maher (https://www.amazon.com/Framed-Monte-Carlo-Prison-Murder/dp/1510755861).

It's basically about an ex Green Beret who works as a private nurse for a billionaire in Monte Carlo in his heavily guarded, opulent mansion. He's framed for the murder of the billionaire by some unknown party, and is jailed in Monte Carlo for years. It's a compelling read, and interesting to see how even at the highest level of wealth there is some extreme shadiness constantly going on.

However, what struck me, as someone interested in dating advice, is one particular section of the book and how it applies to female psychology. At one point, the author manages to engineer a complex escape from his prison cell by methodically grinding down metal bars in an escape tunnel over the course of months, and then making a spirited escape through the prison yard at night and into freedom. He actually escapes into a nearby French town, and is trying to book a hotel room, and manages to obtain a phone to call his wife, who is still living the US. Mind you, this is early in his imprisonment.

His wife Heidi is shocked to hear him on the phone, and to the author's surprise offers him no help. He eventually instead calls his sister, who hooks him up with a credit card number to book the hotel room. Sitting in his bathtub in the hotel room, he realizes that he is finally free from his imprisonment and can seek aid on American soil if he can make it to the American embassy, where he will likely be freed to the US.

In the Morning he is captured by policemen who detain him and send him back to Monte Carlo once more. The reason he was caught? His WIFE contacted the authorities in Monte Carlo telling them that he had escaped.

Additionally, after his prison sentence is finally up, after many years later, he comes back to America and finds that she had taken all of his property (houses, trucks, equipment, etc) and sold it all, and moved the money to secret bank accounts and bought a house for herself. leaving him completely penniless. On top of that, she had requested a restraining order preventing him from seeing her OR his children.

This was a woman he loved, who had said she was in love with him prior to his framing, and for whom he was working in Monte Carlo making large sums of money working as a male nurse for this billionaire. And she completely betrayed him for no other reason than he was no longer there for her.

Remember, women are only as loyal as the times are good for you.

 

[Alpha13SC]

I think this is bad mindset. There are plenty of women who'll help and stay with you in rough times. Screening 101.

 

[DonGately]

If you choose the wrong partner, that's on you.

 

[ph40]

Sure, there are good women who would stick with you, but there are also quite a few who would do something like this, and sometimes it's hard for men to tell which are which.

I've known quite a few guys who went through something similar, although not on this scale.

 

[Skills]

I was recently reading a true crime story written by a man falsely accused of murdering a billionaire financier in the late 1990s. The title of the book is "Framed in Monte Carlo" by Ted Maher (https://www.amazon.com/Framed-Monte-Carlo-Prison-Murder/dp/1510755861).

It's basically about an ex Green Beret who works as a private nurse for a billionaire in Monte Carlo in his heavily guarded, opulent mansion. He's framed for the murder of the billionaire by some unknown party, and is jailed in Monte Carlo for years. It's a compelling read, and interesting to see how even at the highest level of wealth there is some extreme shadiness constantly going on.

However, what struck me, as someone interested in dating advice, is one particular section of the book and how it applies to female psychology. At one point, the author manages to engineer a complex escape from his prison cell by methodically grinding down metal bars in an escape tunnel over the course of months, and then making a spirited escape through the prison yard at night and into freedom. He actually escapes into a nearby French town, and is trying to book a hotel room, and manages to obtain a phone to call his wife, who is still living the US. Mind you, this is early in his imprisonment.

His wife Heidi is shocked to hear him on the phone, and to the author's surprise offers him no help. He eventually instead calls his sister, who hooks him up with a credit card number to book the hotel room. Sitting in his bathtub in the hotel room, he realizes that he is finally free from his imprisonment and can seek aid on American soil if he can make it to the American embassy, where he will likely be freed to the US.

In the Morning he is captured by policemen who detain him and send him back to Monte Carlo once more. The reason he was caught? His WIFE contacted the authorities in Monte Carlo telling them that he had escaped.

Additionally, after his prison sentence is finally up, after many years later, he comes back to America and finds that she had taken all of his property (houses, trucks, equipment, etc) and sold it all, and moved the money to secret bank accounts and bought a house for herself. leaving him completely penniless. On top of that, she had requested a restraining order preventing him from seeing her OR his children.

This was a woman he loved, who had said she was in love with him prior to his framing, and for whom he was working in Monte Carlo making large sums of money working as a male nurse for this billionaire. And she completely betrayed him for no other reason than he was no longer there for her.

Remember, women are only as loyal as the times are good for you.

Here we go, taking the worst type of piece of shit, low moral value women and making it "women", usually from guys that have very little experience with women or got screwed over by women or the red pillers kj... good luck with this type of mentality trying to get good with women...

 

[Will_V]

Women don't just suddenly betray you, the same way that planes don't just fall out of the sky for no reason.

I don't know the story, but in general, guys get messed up in relationships/marriages because they get lazy, they think everything is a given, they think that because she says 'I love you' every now and then that everything is A-OK. They don't bother to observe her behavior (over her words) and react accordingly, they don't bother to try and unearth issues before they become real problems. They don't test her compliance or character by putting her in positions where she has choices that are not obvious. They don't dominate her emotionally, they don't search out weak frames in her mind and replace them with strong ones. And often, they don't know what she really wants or needs to be content, and never (or rarely) end up giving it to her.

In short, many guys don't want the responsibility of properly leading a woman. Because it's not easy, and it doesn't always feel comfortable - the same way it's not easy to properly lead anyone. They just want the marriage contract, sign the dotted line, and then it's sandwiches and coffee on call for the rest of eternity. It doesn't work that way.

Women were not given by nature to men as a gift for being a man, they were put next to him to push him to be the best he can be. That's why women are ruthlessly selective, guys kill eachother over them, why a little woman will stand up and argue with a big guy as if he were nothing when most guys would just let him have his point of view. Her pussy and loyalty are a reward for who you are RIGHT NOW, not who you were yesterday or who you might be in the future.

That's too much for a lot of guys, it makes them anxious, because they know they will soon get lazy and are afraid of what's going to happen. Well, it's too bad. You can't really hold onto a woman unless you really are all the things you claim to be, unless you are willing to grab the controls, stay alert, and maneuver with skill, until it's over.

Nothing's for certain, but most of the time, where there's a fire, there was a little flame that nobody noticed or bothered to prevent or put out.

 

[trashKENNUT]

I guess i am on my own to win this ideological 5th generational warfare.

But aside that.

What is the ultimate goal of Female?

It is to be FREE, from her body, her mind and ultimately, the universe that God puts us in. Don't read this answer again.

Why.....

Again, for all members. DON'T GO WHERE I AM, MENTALLY. i am going to the source of all our pain, especially her. Watch it once. Only once. Don't watch it again

Why Chase warns against "SEXUAL AWAKENING"

Chase is going to hate me for this. lol

z@c+

 

[ulrich]

Sure, there are good women who would stick with you, but there are also quite a few who would do something like this, and sometimes it's hard for men to tell which are which.

The same could be said for men.

 

[Chase]

I think the thing here that is tough and scary for men is you never really know what someone is going to do until you're in that situation.

There are chicks you think are ride-or-die who turn tail and run or become the first one in line to knife you in the back when the chips are down.

Likewise, there are chicks you think would never stick around in a million years who end up having your back to the end.

Then there are the endlessly complex chicks, who will ditch you in some ways but have your back in others. Think of the chick who when you go to jail she divorces you and starts screwing someone else but she still keeps visiting you, topping up your canteen, and helping you fight your case. I've read numerous reports of women who do this; it does not seem to be that uncommon.

Discussing this stuff on the Internet is hard, because some men are naturally suspicious, and suspect the worst, and some men are naturally trusting, and expect the best. Then you get guys who are very confident in themselves, and think, "No woman would do that to ME! I'm too sharp to let that happen."

The reality is you aren't going to know how someone will behave until you see that individual in extremity. Until then, you're speculating.

The best call is to screen hard for a woman you can trust... then take steps to make sure at least a sizable portion of your assets are protected regardless, just in case it turns out your screens weren't as effective as you thought.

Reduce your risk with savvy screening. Reduce your risk further with savvy asset protection.

Proper screening reduces the risk bad situations occur. Proper asset protection reduces the amount of damage bad situations can do to you if they do occur.

Chase

 

[Will_V]

I think the thing here that is tough and scary for men is you never really know what someone is going to do until you're in that situation.

There are chicks you think are ride-or-die who turn tail and run or become the first one in line to knife you in the back when the chips are down.

Likewise, there are chicks you think would never stick around in a million years who end up having your back to the end.

Then there are the endlessly complex chicks, who will ditch you in some ways but have your back in others. Think of the chick who when you go to jail she divorces you and starts screwing someone else but she still keeps visiting you, topping up your canteen, and helping you fight your case. I've read numerous reports of women who do this; it does not seem to be that uncommon.

Discussing this stuff on the Internet is hard, because some men are naturally suspicious, and suspect the worst, and some men are naturally trusting, and expect the best. Then you get guys who are very confident in themselves, and think, "No woman would do that to ME! I'm too sharp to let that happen."

The reality is you aren't going to know how someone will behave until you see that individual in extremity. Until then, you're speculating.

The best call is to screen hard for a woman you can trust... then take steps to make sure at least a sizable portion of your assets are protected regardless, just in case it turns out your screens weren't as effective as you thought.

Reduce your risk with savvy screening. Reduce your risk further with savvy asset protection.

Proper screening reduces the risk bad situations occur. Proper asset protection reduces the amount of damage bad situations can do to you if they do occur.

Chase

I agree with this, but I think in general, for the average guy, there's just way too little relationship management going on for him to be going around taking it as a given that a woman will betray him when the chips are down.

That story might well be an exception, he certainly doesn't sound like the average guy.

Whenever I hear guys talking about women this way, it reminds me of those videos where some guy gets ripped to shreds by a tiger or crocodile or whatever, and everyone is going 'well what did you expect?' and talking as if the animal was just malevolently lying in wait the whole time, without even considering what logic might be applied to the situation to account for the sudden turn of events, what mishandling of the situation might have occurred by one who had the responsibility to know what would happen in a certain situation, and avoid it.

And part of this I think is a fear of having that kind of control in a relationship, a resistance to being so conscious of the handles that one person can have on another, which in my opinion actually results in a sort of betrayal of the woman - because there are things she needs and trusts a man to do that she cannot ask of him directly. And what comes of it is that she is sexually bound to him, but her mind is merely dragged along rather than integrated into this relationship, causing her to have to consciously resist all kinds of psychological pressures rather than being able to escape them altogether.

Like you say, it's not an easy topic to talk about. Like the fine line between desire and intent, between asking and demanding, it's not something that anyone is really comfortable with being too conscious of. But the way I see it, to avoid thinking about it is no excuse for allowing a disaster to come about.

And to be clear, obviously, no person is 100% trustworthy or predictable, some people less than others. But, like you say, with sufficient screening and asset protection, much of the problem can be avoided. And in my opinion what remains is almost completely a question of how much someone wants to be aware, and what actions they are willing to take, to make sure the relationship goes according to plan and everyone is happy doing what they should be doing.

 

[Darius]

I think what OP also meant was the reduced moral and emotional support that some women will give you when the shit hits the fan in your life. i.e. some women will wreak havoc on you emotionally in addition to messing with your assets and whatever else is going on.

Which, well, it's a real bummer to say, but that's just human nature being unpredictable. You can't screen perfectly, and you can't rely on people to be there for you in the hardest times, emotionally.

Your mother, father, sister, girlfriend, lover, etc. (heck, sometimes all of them at once) may ditch you and turn into your worst enemy given certain circumstances, and that's just a fact of life. You don't realise it until you get burned once or twice by people you trust, then you learn to accept reality and remain prudent. Which is not to say you love them any less, you just remove your 'dependency' on them for your own well being. It's kind of like reducing your neediness towards women, it doesn't really affect your capacity to enjoy their presence.

In doing so, you learn to be self reliant, you mature mentally, and more often than not, you might find yourself in the opposite corner, where others look to you as the emotional rock in their life.

 

[Chase]

@Will_V,

I enjoy your thoughts here. Reminds me of a younger me.

One quibble though: I don't get the impression with many guys it's fear of taking control.

It seems to be more the fear of discovering one's control was an illusion. "I thought I had that relationship on lock... I thought that girl was MINE... then it turned out that was not the case at all."

It is a fear of loss of control, rather than a fear of assuming it.

You will notice guys who lean toward fear of loss of control vs. guys who lean toward confidence they could keep control both make assumptions about what the situation must be here. @ph40 doesn't share details on the nature of the guy's relationship; he seems to be acting like there was nothing here that could've predicted this, or that the guy himself didn't do anything that might've precipitated it; instead, it's just a blindside blow from left field.

By the same coin, many of the guys in the thread seem to immediately conclude there must of course be something this guy could've done different that would've kept him out of this situation. He must've screwed up in his screening, perhaps, or else he mismanaged his relationship. Had he done things perfectly, this probably wouldn't have happened.

The fact is, a lot of guys are sloppy at their mate choices and relationships, and it may well be the guy walked right into this.

It's also a fact however that women will sometimes do things like this, including to men who thought they had total control of the situation.

I can tell you myself, while the majority of my experiences with women have been wonderful, I have also, a few times, had women I had wrapped around my little finger, or so I thought, blow apart that belief in ways that, only later, was I able to pick apart and figure out where I went wrong.

Which is not to say those incidents were unavoidable. If I replayed them now, with what the incidents themselves taught me, I could likely avoid them!

At the time those things happened though, I was 100% confident I was in total control, and only found out I wasn't when it played out.

There's a tension here between guys who fear the loss of control vs. guys overconfident in their own control.

In a way, they're two sides of the same coin. Often you will see one become the other following some incident... the guy confident in his own control has that illusion shattered, and begins to think control is impossible... or the guy who fears losing control decides he can't take it anymore, and convinces himself control can always be maintained so long as he takes the right steps.

If you ask me, the real realization to get to is that each woman is her own separate, unique human being.

You can know a lot of her but you'll never know all of her.

If you expect to have full control, any woman can surprise you. But living in fear of loss of control is no way to live at all.

So, you enjoy her, value her, make use of her for what she is. Always with the knowledge that someday, at some point, she may decide she's had enough of you, and leave. It might not be for a very long time. It might be forever! Or it might be next week.

You won't really know until it happens. So long as you accept that, the things women do may still surprise you sometimes, but they'll never turn your world upside down, or be anything you need to dread.

Chase

 

[Will_V]

If guys want to plumb the depths of female psychology in a more proactive way, I suggest '48 laws of the game':

 

[Regal Tiger]

This story hit a little too close to home. By the time I was 8 years old I'd already been stabbed in the back, abandoned by everyone I'd ever loved or trusted. That, or they died before they got the chance

I had a rough childhood and I've had some shit hit the fan yet again as an adult. I've also personally witnessed family members tear their family apart for seemingly retarded reasons. I've seen people get used and thrown away like trash. I've had it happen to me more than I care to think about

Honestly, even if my recent incident the people who did the most to help me were on this forum. Even family members I was so close to kind of distanced themselves from me

And here's my personal takeaway: if you are relying on somebody else for something or anything at all, you've already fucked yourself over

And the reason for that is this: it's absolutely human nature to distance yourself from anyone and anything that comes off like a loser

You can see it in this story. You can see it on Reddit where they share their personal stories. You can even see it with the way people talk about their sports teams "we won" or "they fucked up"

We attach ourselves to winners and distance ourselves from losers. People who I helped save from suicide weren't even there for me when I needed them. And you shouldn't expect anyone to ever be there for you either

You can screen all you want, but until someone is in that position then you truly won't know how they'll react. Until something happens to you, you won't know either

But it's simply life to both win and lose. To sometimes be a winner and to sometimes be a loser. So plan for when things go poorly. And don't ever allow yourself to need anyone when things don't go your way. Because chances are, they won't be there

And if you run across someone who is there. You won't need their help, but you will appreciate it

 

[DarkKnight]

This story hit a little too close to home.

Not going to be as articulate but I too had a serious fall from grace moment a long...LONG time ago. And looking back I have found it semi predictable who stabbed me in the back or not. The ladderclimbers who were lowertier were the most enthousiastic haha.. and the ones who were at the top or near the top were more benevolent. One person in particular who is my friend for life.

But yes people do prey on weakness, even those who until then found support with you and benefitted from your strength.

Those events were quite traumatic but it also transformed me and I dealt quite well with the betrayers. I do have to say in hindsight there were tell tales that these were low morality people. The signs were present. I just needed this event to learn to understand their significance.

Another thing I learned in that time is not to be too self sacrificing (which initially brought me into trouble) for people who in the long run don't matter. I made a lot of mistakes, huge part of this is due to social conditioning. Which I had detrained soon after.

Anyway, it is important to always stay strong. Not everyone will betray you, but there are a lot of opportunistic people out there.

Then again if you want to protect yourself and your family in the future.. it is important to have experienced similair events in your life. So you are prepared and know what to expect from human nature.

 

[trashKENNUT]

You can screen all you want, but until someone is in that position then you truly won't know how they'll react. Until something happens to you, you won't know either

But it's simply life to both win and lose. To sometimes be a winner and to sometimes be a loser. So plan for when things go poorly. And don't ever allow yourself to need anyone when things don't go your way. Because chances are, they won't be there

I'm not sure how far we can plan.

And how is many variables playing a part.

Are we all talking about people, or are we talking about planning or are we talking about the many variables that play in the whole of existence, per se?

I'm not sure if we all can form anything yet because it's such a new territory of conversation I guess, at least now it is introduced.

I just want to bring another level of awareness on the bigger scale of the battlefield, that I like to believe it exist.

So.....

I was thinking about 2 greatest compliments that I receive. One is from a best friend. One is from a subordinate.

And it was really surprising hearing it from them. I was shocked by it.

So there's this
- Skillset (planning)
- Attitude
(Which is what we are talking here, about the other person being there for us)
- Tribe (at that moment in time)
- Exit (Pregnant Pause, The Last 5%, The 0.5)

And thats that.

there's also this fucking universe law that everytime when I'm pissed off, Pretty girls always appear out of nowhere. Legit. Happens every time. I don't understand it at all.

z@c+

 

[trashKENNUT]

But oh well.

If I can't solve this, I blame women, always

 

[Tim Iron]

@Will_V,

You won't really know until it happens. So long as you accept that, the things women do may still surprise you sometimes, but they'll never turn your world upside down, or be anything you need to dread.

Chase

I personally think we need to start regulating this type of post. It is better to convert any of such posts into a "here is the story, so WWYD if it were you" kind of post.

Some months ago, somebody was complaining about Dr. Dre's wife getting a huge alimony settlement and going down the line of "look again women are terrible"... We don't need such negativity here, men have done terrible things to women, BUT nobody posts any of such things here to balance it out.

 

[DonGately]

Lotta good stuff here:
1) Most guys don't screen hard. They take the easy lay, some every time over any work. She's hot that's all they cared about even though she was clearly a ticking time bomb, cutter, drugs.
2) Most guys don't actually want to be in control, lead the relationship every single time they need to, dominate her when she needs it [which is most of them most of the time].

3) Most guys are afraid of being in control and screwing it up. How many times have we seen a friend or co-worker with a great girlfriend/wife, hot, fun, etc and he blows it?
Could be restated as -- Most guys don't put the work in to the LTR that it needs.

$) Most guys don't protect themselves financially. Many do not even try. No plan if they get fired.
5) Most guys don't practice proper risk assessment. How many guys bang some thot bareback and are shocked, shocked! That she's pregnant afterwards.... {or their gf, et al} They have no plan at all if their LTR goes badly wrong, divorce and so forth.

People are people: some are normal, some are betrayers and backstabbers and thieves, and some are legit ride or die friends and girls. Your life, for sure, has a normal distribution of the above unless you are excellent at screening and risk assessment for girls AND friends.

 

[DonGately]

It's okay to have a slampiece you see once a week for an hour, of course, but any LTR better be adding value to your life or you're doing it 100% wrong.