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disciple99

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hi guys I want to go out and game but from last month I have no motivation to talk to girls am having nightmares which are weird
Guys and this is for real and I need any help I can get

what happens in dream.

every morning I have a nightmare in which I watch a "sexual activity but do not participate in it" these are very vivid and colorful after which I wake up with no motivation to do any thing.
what I have done in response.
1. started exercising regularly.
2. practicing meditation regularly.
3. wearing a lose night wear.
4. going to Temple.

these are not helping that much.
cause
I think these are damage on my brain due to long term regular use of porn and absurd material which i have consumed from which I am now totally abstained tje material is from age of 13 years old which I have quit this year I am 17 years old this year. the materials I have consumed range from softcore xxx videos ,pics to hardcore but most damage I think I have from reading highly detailed sex stories which are insectious and BDMS and consuming Japanese Visual Novels, anime Comics of similar nature. I know if I have consumed all this than I must be abnormal and insane .
But I want to be motivated for real.
 

Reave Krieger

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Since when did you stop watching porn?

1. If it is a while already (3-6 month or so) - I guess then your problem is sincere. Consult a doctor! It might be a mental health problem.

2. If you just stopped watching porn (and all the other stuff) recently. Then the nightmares could just be a withdrawal symptom. Stay abstinent and see how it evolves. When it doesn't cease: See step 1.
 

Drck

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You probably suffer of big shame, watching porn/BDSM and then mixing it with religion, purity... One is lots of pleasure, lots of emotions, and the other tells you that it is something immoral, bad, damaging...

Porn destroys lives. It takes your time away, it takes your relationships and marriages away, it makes you isolated, perhaps even depressed... Porn is highly addictive, it has been around only for relatively short time, and at this time there is not much guidance to properly deal with it... one can access it pretty much anytime he wants, and for free... If you have the will and can avoid it without consequences, good for you. If not, you have to be careful, it is highly addictive, any attempt to quit may actually cause you to become even more addicted...

Religion is usually trying to suppress sexuality in some way or another. The biggest perversions exist because of religious suppression of natural pleasure; a guy who can freely express his sexuality is not perverted, he cannot be... but most likely he is not religious either...

Don't make me wrong, there is very good reason from religious point of view to suppress and master sexuality, however one has to understand and follow that reason voluntarily on his own, in stead of just blindly follow religious orders... Said differently suppressing sexuality is quite difficult if you are not headed for sainthood, for enlightenment...

...If you go to church or temple, look around - a good half of the guys you meet there are regularly jerking off to porn (that's statistics), and with all probability, the other half just won't admit it, LOL.

Although porn is "bad" overall, it is IMO unwise to just drop all the blame and guilt on it. We as men love pussies, we all love sex, we all love all the emotions and fantasy associated with it, that it simple reality... If you can watch 100 hot pussies in 1-2 hours any day you want, in stead of chasing 1-2 pussies each weekend and then get rejected anyway, well, the law of least effort simply wins... If you then start suppressing this deep desire for pleasure somehow, if you somehow start suppressing the pleasure because of religious or other reasons, perhaps even start "hating porn" - well no wonder you have nightmares and you are falling in depressions...

You can't really 'hate porn' because porn is pleasure, the same way you can't really hate women, the same way you can't hate pleasure... But if you can't get real pussy, and at the same time you are depriving yourself from pleasure by not seeing any pussy... It's too much, your mind suffers, you suffer... It's like having two wolfs in your mind, one furiously fighting the other, and none of them can win... How can you love pleasure, and hate it at the same time that you supress it all..? Only scattered mind can do that, only untrue mind does it, only mind of perverts can think that it is normal...

So try more reasonable approach for now, in stead of one extreme (watching porn/BDSM nonstop) or the other (playing saint in church and falsly suppressing all pleasure), allow yourself some moderate pleasure here and there, perhaps limit it to lighter porn, for shorter periods of time... There is nothing wrong with seeing beautiful naked female bodies... See porn as something acceptable, but limit it as it is has overall negative impact on your life. This way you'll gain better control, and perhaps with experience you will eventually be able to get rid of it...
 

disciple99

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Drck said:
You psolvablesuffer of big shame, watching porn/BDSM and then mixing it with religion, purity... One is lots of pleasure, lots of emotions, and the other tells you that it is something immoral, bad, damaging...

Porn destroys lives. It takes your time away, it takes your relationships and marriages away, it makes you isolated, perhaps even depressed... Porn is highly addictive, it has been around only for relatively short time, and at this time there is not much guidance to properly deal with it... one can access it pretty much anytime he wants, and for free... If you have the will and can avoid it without consequences, good for you. If not, you have to be careful, it is highly addictive, any attempt to quit may actually cause you to become even more addicted...

Religion is usually trying to suppress sexuality in some way or another. The biggest perversions exist because of religious suppression of natural pleasure; a guy who can freely express his sexuality is not perverted, he cannot be... but most likely he is not religious either...

Don't make me wrong, there is very good reason from religious point of view to suppress and master sexuality, however one has to understand and follow that reason voluntarily on his own, in stead of just blindly follow religious orders... Said differently suppressing sexuality is quite difficult if you are not headed for sainthood, for enlightenment...

...If you go to church or temple, look around - a good half of the guys you meet there are regularly jerking off to porn (that's statistics), and with all probability, the other half just won't admit it, LOL.

Although porn is "bad" overall, it is IMO unwise to just drop all the blame and guilt on it. We as men love pussies, we all love sex, we all love all the emotions and fantasy associated with it, that it simple reality... If you can watch 100 hot pussies in 1-2 hours any day you want, in stead of chasing 1-2 pussies each weekend and then get rejected anyway, well, the law of least effort simply wins... If you then start suppressing this deep desire for pleasure somehow, if you somehow start suppressing the pleasure because of religious or other reasons, perhaps even start "hating porn" - well no wonder you have nightmares and you are falling in depressions...

You can't really 'hate porn' because porn is pleasure, the same way you can't really hate women, the same way you can't hate pleasure... But if you can't get real pussy, and at the same time you are depriving yourself from pleasure by not seeing any pussy... It's too much, your mind suffers, you suffer... It's like having two wolfs in your mind, one furiously fighting the other, and none of them can win... How can you love pleasure, and hate it at the same time that you supress it all..? Only scattered mind can do that, only untrue mind does it, only mind of perverts can think that it is normal...

So try more reasonable approach for now, in stead of one extreme (watching porn/BDSM nonstop) or the other (playing saint in church and falsly suppressing all pleasure), allow yourself some moderate pleasure here and there, perhaps limit it to lighter porn, for shorter periods of time... There is nothing wrong with seeing beautiful naked female bodies... See porn as something acceptable, but limit it as it is has overall negative impact on your life. This way you'll gain better control, and perhaps with experience you will eventually be able to get rid of it...

Drck
I am not mixing my emotions or suppressing my sexuality with religion . I am not a religious person either what i follow is basically a bit of Taoist philosophy (to them sex is natural) and bit of Jainism religion of my birth but not hardcorely any of them . yes I do not like porn or maybe I hate it but when I first quit porn I used to feel a need to be around girls talking to them touching them smelling them which I am not feelings anymore further all I want to do is eat and sleep but I know these will build bad habits so I am doing thing I mentioned earlier . and my concept of god is not some supernatural being who will save me if i follow a shitty set of rules put by society but he or they are a ideal being like whom I did like to become but after experiencing life and by temple I mean a place where there is peace and it is free from dogmas to meditate . and I think its good that I became addicted to porn to early age and now learned its harmful effects rather than waiting to become addict later in life and fucking up my life later .
The main problem I have is I am having nightmares and i am not motivated any more and by motivation I mean I have or i feel no will or energy to do anything and I am seeing ugly nightmares and third person nature of my nightmare. I figured out that that third person view is due to not having experience first person view I.e. not banging a girl , so getting over ugly nightmare will take me to bang a girl but I have no motivation / energy / will to solve it .this is fucking paradox here to solve. If I am wrong or have wrong mentality correct me
Or is this paradox solve able without a trip to a bastard who sit in a room with white coat because I think it is .
And also could you care to explain why do you think watching porn is natural thing to do ???
 

Drck

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There are couple of issues. Notice the similarity between you watching the porn (you watching other people having sex) and you experiencing nightmares (you also watching other people having sex). You don't participate in either activities, you are only watching... Dreams are simply fulfilled wishes, your mind still have that desire for sex... But it's frustrating and depressing because you can't get it, respectively you don't get sex in real life and at the same time you no longer watch porn which you used to for many years...

Why do people love sex? Drugs, food, alcohol, cigarettes, sweets, porn? Because these things brings us pleasure. When you watch porn, when you have an orgasm, you feel great, it's the most pleasurable feeling you can experience. When other person eats food, he or she feels great. When another one feels down, depressed, he takes some drugs to feel better. When somebody is anxious he takes alcohol, and suddenly he feels much better, calmed, relaxed,...

Many people get easily addicted because we simply want to feel better, we want that pleasure again and again. But there is a problem, our brain gets used to the original stimuli, next time it will need more to experience the same level of pleasure. When a healthy guy gets anxious, all he needs at first is one beer. Then he needs two, then he starts with liqueur, and five years later he ends up drinking bottle of whiskey daily, now he is full blown alcoholic. When a healthy girl is depressed, she takes a cookie, the sweetness makes her feel better. Then she takes another cookie, and another one again, and each time she feels better. After 10 years she is still eating cookies, but now she is 150 pounds heavier and just was diagnosed with diabetes.

When a guy starts with porn, all he needs at first is a picture of naked women. Then he adds light and short movie, then he adds more and more, and after couple of years he is jerking off couple hours every day to any kinds of porn. He also became heavily addicted.

Now, we don't just get rid of our addictions so easily. The reason is, that once we get used to some substance that causes us great pleasure and we suddenly stop, our mind and body goes to withdrawal. Withdrawal is the opposite of pleasure. If the person is alcoholic he might experience severe anxiety, maybe seizures, he can even die of the withdrawal symptoms. Similarly with people who are using drugs. If the girl who was addicted to cookies and food goes suddenly on diet, she might experience heavy depression because now there is nothing what makes her feel better. Maybe she even starts smoking, because smoking is just another substance that causes pleasure...

See the pattern? It is similar, if not the same with porn. When you get addicted, when you watch porn for years and then stop, you basically remove pleasure from your life. Your brain desires the same pleasure as it was used to, and if it can't get it it falls into depression. In depression, you have low energy, you don't feel like doing anything, you don't want to talk to anybody, you don't want to exercise, you may gain weight by overeating, you may have nightmares in which you simply desire to watch other people having sex again... Then because you just watch but not do, you feel even more frustrated, you might feel lots of guilt by being porn user...

As suggested above, it is good if you can quit at will and simply change your life. This however doesn't work for everybody as different people experience different intensity of addiction, as they have different cravings for that particular stimuli that causes pleasure... Many people try to quit (smoking, alcohol, drugs, food, porn,...) and they keep relapsing and relapsing... The reason is simply that once they quit the pleasure they go to severe withdrawals, and if they don't substitute the pleasure with something else they just suffer with depression...

So the solution for you is to find something that replaces the pleasure caused by porn. The difficulties may arise, however, because porn (sex) is very intensive pleasurable experience, and other activities may not fully replace it. Therefore you should develop strong frame to deal with it, and then follow it till it becomes habit. This is just an example what I would do:

1. Decrease the amount of porn gradually, say 3-4 times per week, then to 1-2 times per week. At the same time, try not to develop guilt by blaming porn, try to avoid "hating pleasure". If you already quit, good
2. Exercise, lift weights, go for walk, whatever. Simple walks 3-5 miles per day may give you lots of positive ideas
3. Friends, social circle. In stead of running home and falling into depression, get together with other guys
4. Avoid substituting porn for bad habits such alcohol, smoking, drugs, food... Many times it is tempting, perhaps you may not even realize that "suddenly" you are drinking more and more. So simply monitor your habits, avoid the bad ones
5. Avoid negativity. Reading your text you seem pretty negative. It's of course just text on the internet so it could be misleading, but IMO you do have underlying depression. You are also frustrated, so work on developing positive mind frame. If you have depression, maybe you don't want to be a hero - what can take you 5-10 years on your own to get out of it can take some professional couple months, if not weeks
6. Another "good substitute for pleasure" is spirituality. There used to be time when I would bite my tongue off before I would say it, but today it seems like very good approach. If you believe in God, good, believe more (without becoming an extremist, LOL). If not, look into some eastern philosophies, Bhakti yoga, Bhagavad Gita,... You don't need to believe in God to live spiritual life. If nothing else, spirituality will help you to develop positive mind
7. Girls, of course. Go out and socialize. Note however that with negative mindset, negative attitude and depression you may not have success as girls usually avoid negative persons, which can further cause more and more frustration. Nobody wants to be around person who drags them down. If you don't feel like being around girls, well, girls will feel exactly the same, they will be avoiding you. On the other hand, people love to be around someone who is positive, enthusiastic and optimistic. Take it slowly, step by step...

So it is like a vicious cycle, it may be difficult to break out of it but it is definitely possible especially if you have good plan. Create some short to intermediate plan of action, between 4 weeks and 6 months, follow the plan daily and then re-evaluate it...
 

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Hey Drck.

In general i find your advice good. But i may have to disagree with some things, being a porn addict myself (i'm on day 13 doing nofap). For example, i don't recommend a very gradual decrease in the frequency that he watches porn as you suggest. If someone watches it everyday, it would be good to cut it for at least once a week initially.

I remember when i went without porn for more than a week for the first time (almost 40 days actually). Back then i was working out twice a day and following a diet plan with 6 meals a day, so even though i felt like shit, it was as if i was on autopilot with my schedule, so the little time i had left on my day, instead of sitting in front of the computer, i would do something else, like: stretch my muscles, cook something different, read a book... but when the 2nd week came i was bombarded with a hurricane of emotions that i hadn't felt since my pre-teens... i thought i would go crazy. Porn makes you numb, a zombie literally.

Hey disciple99, take it easy man. After so much porn, of course you'll feel depressed, easily irritated, even happy sometimes... it will be a crazy ride, so don't push yourself much in this period to improve with girls etc so you don't feel overwhelmed.

I was reading a recent post of Hector on which he says to stop just TAKING from people and instead think what we can GIVE to people (i.e: if i compliment this girl i might make her day), and as he says in that post, don't misunderstand being a giver of value with being nice (putting others over yourself). I feel like perhaps this mentality could help US to deal with approach anxiety. After all, what pressure is there when you're only thinking on giving value to people, and not ''what if she rejects ME, what if she's rude to ME, what will those people think of ME if i approach this girl etc''.

I am feeling depressed too man. It's not easy for anyone who started compulsively watching porn in their pre teens or earlier. I started watching it when i was 12 and had never even kissed a girl. So i always felt disconnected with people in general, not present.

Theoretically, when an addict watches porn and feels that dopamine rush, something called DeltaFosB is produced in our brain... as long as this thing is in our brain, we will feel strong urges to watch porn often. It's said that it takes around 3 weeks without porn for this substance to go away. Therefore i don't think that watching porn is normal honestly... that is, normal, natural behavior. Because for our society it's ''normal''.
 

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Disciple-

Best way to get rid of a repeating dream is to figure out what message it's trying to tell you. Odds are you probably have a gut instinct what the dream is about; it comes from your subconscious, and the message is in there.

Different people have different opinions on dream interpretation... the ancients swore by it; a lot of modern psychologists think it's bunk. I've personally found it pretty darn accurate, at least for my own dreams. Anyway, here's the definition from Dream Moods:

Voyeurism
To dream that you are a voyeur suggests that you are afraid of your own desires and fantasies. You may also be afraid of getting close to some relationship or situation.

... which actually seems to fit quite nicely with Drck's interpretation.

Another way you can try if you cannot figure it out is training yourself to realize when you're in a dream. The way you do this is to begin asking yourself throughout your day whether you are awake or in a dream, and seriously questioning whether this is reality you're experiencing or a dream. Once this becomes a habit, you'll start to 'wake up' in your dreams. At that point, you can start to interview the characters, control the dream, end the dream, etc. I used to do this a bunch as a child; it's pretty cool once you begin lucid dreaming.

Chase
 

disciple99

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thanks guys a lot I am done with porn never going back again .
Chase said:
Another way you can try if you cannot figure it out is training yourself to realize when you're in a dream. The way you do this is to begin asking yourself throughout your day whether you are awake or in a dream, and seriously questioning whether this is reality you're experiencing or a dream. Once this becomes a habit, you'll start to 'wake up' in your dreams. At that point, you can start to interview the characters, control the dream, end the dream, etc. I used to do this a bunch as a child; it's pretty cool once you begin lucid dreaming.

Chase

I will try it sir thanks a bunch.
Theoretically, when an addict watches porn and feels that dopamine rush, something called DeltaFosB is produced in our brain... as long as this thing is in our brain, we will feel strong urges to watch porn often. It's said that it takes around 3 weeks without porn for this substance to go away.
I am thinking about cuting some REM sleep of last hour of morning and taking a nap in day for few weeks coz those dreams are in morning most of time.
 
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