Date Plans Loss of Frame when Letting a Girl Drive?

[vicknick]

After the date is finished, I told her we can go to hill top for a scenery view (the place is very quiet for seduction), while walking towards my car. Upon passing the parking lot where the girl parked, she saw the parking lot entrance seemed to be closed. She is worried that the parking might be closed soon, so she said to take her car instead of mine.

My wing told me this is a loss of frame on my part, as I should have just give an excuse such as "Oh, it's just the entrance not the exit, we can come back and get your car later" etc., and then continue to lead her towards my car. Letting the girl drive means subconsciously she is leading the frame. Also, anything can happen when a girl is in the driving seat, such as she can go to any place she wants that is not within my seduction plan. A girl's mind is emotional so her plans can change anytime, and we would like to reduce the chances of this.

I said that since she proposed to drive, that means she gets the chance to invest in the date, which is what I want. Also, she is driving to the place I wanted, so it is still conducive to the seduction. Would like to hear what you guys think?

 

[topcat]

Not a loss of frame. I can’t drive, my girls have drove me around and still got wet for me. As long as you’re chill about it, it’s another way to get a girl investing by chauffeuring you around.

In other words, put your bare feet up on that dash and slay queen your wing is wrong.

 

[Skills]

Causation correlation after clubs I always walk girls to their car have them drive me to my car, it actually creates compliance and helps with their anxiety...you wing is clueless...laid so many girls doing this... I have girls pick me up, and they let me drive their car.... your wing is clueless and total kj...

 

[StrayDog]

there is actually a trend I seen floating round the red pill with this. "The man always drives." Rigid and short sighted way of thinking. It's like these guys are more interested in having frame battles to continually assert who is "in charge", than just having a kicked back fun time with women. Only caveat I would say here is have a clear plan of where you're headed/what y'all are doing. Even if I am just cruising with a gal seeing the sights I will be giving direction like "hold up pull over here, imma show you a cool spot." I wouldn't hop in a car with her at a "so what are we doing now?" moment (again you can literally just be cruising but male sure its established), otherwise the vibe could peeter out. but then again, that's true too if you're driving and there isn't a sense of direction.

And actually I have found that with women who are more anxious, letting them drive helps them relax a bit because they are more in control. I have literally managed to pull this way, when a gal was like "but we don't know eachother what is you're some killer" and I was like "we can take your car if that's more comfortable. I'm not attached to driving"

 

[Alpha13SC]

Women drive me around with their cars, more investment from their side.

Although I like it more when they let me drive their car. Only time when they don t let me is when they think I m a reckless driver(I m not. I mean, not usually).

 

[Conquistador]

I would assume that her being your chauffeuse is probably a really good frame for some service-oriented girls…

 

[StrayDog]

After the date is finished, I told her we can go to hill top for a scenery view (the place is very quiet for seduction), while walking towards my car. Upon passing the parking lot where the girl parked, she saw the parking lot entrance seemed to be closed. She is worried that the parking might be closed soon, so she said to take her car instead of mine.

okay, so what happened on the way/ when you got to the hill top?

 

[Chase]

I used to have a Mercedes-Benz. I'd have to hide it from girls to avoid setting provider frames too early. I always had them drive.

I love it. You get to chill out in the passenger seat and bust jokes on her while she does all the work. Plus you can tell her where to go, where to turn, etc.

Anyway, I haven't owned a car in 13 years. If we're going anywhere by car, she's driving.

Hasn't hurt me any. Getting chauffeured around by girls is the best.

Letting the girl drive means subconsciously she is leading the frame. Also, anything can happen when a girl is in the driving seat, such as she can go to any place she wants that is not within my seduction plan. A girl's mind is emotional so her plans can change anytime, and we would like to reduce the chances of this.

If that sort of thing is happening to this guy, he's got a long way to go with women still.

Either that or he's dating women who are schizophrenic or have DID or something...

I have never had a woman driving me suddenly go "*BZZT!* OMG, change of plans. We can't go to the pizza parlor anymore. We have to go to watch the Barbie movie at once! *pulls a u-turn*" And I have had a lot of women drive me.

your wing is clueless and total kj...

Yeah. Sounds like some kind of theory this wing cooked up in his brain... "Man drive = control. Woman drive = emotion, no control. Woman drive = bad for date. No woman drive!" Based on faulty reasoning rather than any amount of field-testing.

Field-testing says: the one doing the driving is the one who is investing. The one who gets to sit in the passenger seat and chill is the dignitary getting chauffeured.

Want to be the chauffeur or the chauffeured?

Average Guy Mode = be the chauffeur. Invest in the girl and show her what a good provider you are.

Cool Guy Mode = let the chick drive you around.

Chase

 

[Bo Diddley]

Not if you play with her titties while she's driving it isn't.

 

[StrayDog]

Not if you play with her titties while she's driving it isn't.

or finger her

 

[Skills]

I mean you guys are joking and trolling but for the sake of transparency you really don't want to be fingering and playing with boobs while she drives . If you are driving and she BJ's different story..

What i do when I drive do a grandmaster style escalation which is when I hit breaks hard I extend the hand to both breasts like protecting her from hitting dashboard they always laugh...

Also I hard close at times with a driving angle, driving is also strategic cause she has to drop you off in your closing location... So for example I say "let's go to the swing club I pay you drive" it is one of my advance hard closes..

 

[StrayDog]

I mean you guys are joking and trolling but for the sake of transparency you really don't want to be fingering and playing with boobs while she drives . If you are driving and she BJ's different story..

What i do when I drive do a grandmaster style escalation which is when I hit breaks hard I extend the hand to both breasts like protecting her from hitting dashboard they always laugh...

Also I hard close at times with a driving angle, driving is also strategic cause she has to drop you off in your closing location... So for example I say "let's go to the swing club I pay you drive" it is one of my advance hard closes..

While I have never fingered a girl while she drove, I have definitely fingered a girl while I drove us to a good place to get down. Wouldn't recommend as a general escalation technique but it has worked more than once and was a fun exciting way to build the sexual tension. Hitting the gas for a touch of adrenaline. But yeah not the same thing.

 

[StrayDog]

okay, so what happened on the way/ when you got to the hill top?

@vicknick I meant this as a real question. It sounds like maybe things didn't pan out after y'all got in the car? Then you were discussing with your wing and he offered this perspective that it was because you let her drive. But I am curious what all went down because there might be another explanation in there somewhere

 

[vicknick]

Thanks for the reply guys! I appreciate it a lot.

@vicknick I meant this as a real question. It sounds like maybe things didn't pan out after y'all got in the car? Then you were discussing with your wing and he offered this perspective that it was because you let her drive. But I am curious what all went down because there might be another explanation in there somewhere

So she drove us to the hill top. I was planning to get out the car for the view, then lead her to the back seats for easier escalation. Unfortunately, it was heavy rain that day, so we can only remain in our front seats looking at the view. She said she wanted to take some pictures, so I asked her if she need some help (my side is facing the view). We then chatted for quite some time about her. I tried to give strong eye contact and caressing her hair, she didn't reject. I then tried to escalate by pulling she towards me for kiss but she pulled back. It's a but awkward since the front seats has a gap. We then continue chatting. She said she was thirsty and need a drink. I said we can go to the convenience store. She then said okay and drove while I gave direction.

I directed her to find a parking lot. The parking lot is full but luckily there is still some secluded spot for easier escalation. She said let's have a drink at the bubble tea store there. I find this is a bit backwards towards the seduction, since we already have an hour drinks before we went to hill top and I wanted to focus on arousal and escalation, so I said let's buy some water nearby and have some chat in her car. She said okay. On the way to the store, I tried holding her hands but she backed her hands away, saying it was too fast. But when we were going to cross the road, I tried hold again, this time she reached out her hand for me to hold, I am a bit surprised.

Before entering the store, she said she needed to find a toilet. There was a hotel lobby besides the store. I stood outside the lobby to see if there is any toilet sign, but she just walked into the lobby to find it. I quickly follow up and walked in front of her to lead her, instead of her leading me. There was no toilet there, so I said there is a bookshop across the street, let's go there for toilet.

After that, we went back to the store to buy some water, and then walked back to her car. She was going to the front seats but I said let's sit at the back, it is more comfortable, which she said okay. We chatted some more and I caressed her hair and look at her necklace. I pulled her towards me and she lean on my shoulder. I tried kiss her, but she dodged away, saying it's too fast. I then fractionate by talking about other topic, and then after few minutes tried for the kiss again, but she again dodged. I think she was acting shy with the way she look at me.

After failed escalation, I was thinking to back off to give her some space, and make my escalation on next date. I opened the back door and said let's call it a day (we were 3 hours into the date at this point). She then said let's meet next time. I said let me know once you arrive home.

She texted me when she arrived home. However, her response enthusiasm dropped significantly compared to before the date, I can sense there is no emotion in her response. There is no haha or anything this time. I think it might be because I did something wrong during the date, but I am not sure.

Texting
Her: I just went home
Me: Ok

1 week later

Me: Been busy with projects these days. Do you still do overtime at your work?
Her: I am overtime now
Me: Must have been sleeping in the afternoon I guess (teasing her)
... no response from her

 

[Skills]

Thanks for the reply guys! I appreciate it a lot.


So she drove us to the hill top. I was planning to get out the car for the view, then lead her to the back seats for easier escalation. Unfortunately, it was heavy rain that day, so we can only remain in our front seats looking at the view. She said she wanted to take some pictures, so I asked her if she need some help (my side is facing the view). We then chatted for quite some time about her. I tried to give strong eye contact and caressing her hair, she didn't reject. I then tried to escalate by pulling she towards me for kiss but she pulled back. It's a but awkward since the front seats has a gap. We then continue chatting. She said she was thirsty and need a drink. I said we can go to the convenience store. She then said okay and drove while I gave direction.

I directed her to find a parking lot. The parking lot is full but luckily there is still some secluded spot for easier escalation. She said let's have a drink at the bubble tea store there. I find this is a bit backwards towards the seduction, since we already have an hour drinks before we went to hill top and I wanted to focus on arousal and escalation, so I said let's buy some water nearby and have some chat in her car. She said okay. On the way to the store, I tried holding her hands but she backed her hands away, saying it was too fast. But when we were going to cross the road, I tried hold again, this time she reached out her hand for me to hold, I am a bit surprised.

Before entering the store, she said she needed to find a toilet. There was a hotel lobby besides the store. I stood outside the lobby to see if there is any toilet sign, but she just walked into the lobby to find it. I quickly follow up and walked in front of her to lead her, instead of her leading me. There was no toilet there, so I said there is a bookshop across the street, let's go there for toilet.

After that, we went back to the store to buy some water, and then walked back to her car. She was going to the front seats but I said let's sit at the back, it is more comfortable, which she said okay. We chatted some more and I caressed her hair and look at her necklace. I pulled her towards me and she lean on my shoulder. I tried kiss her, but she dodged away, saying it's too fast. I then fractionate by talking about other topic, and then after few minutes tried for the kiss again, but she again dodged. I think she was acting shy with the way she look at me.

After failed escalation, I was thinking to back off to give her some space, and make my escalation on next date. I opened the back door and said let's call it a day (we were 3 hours into the date at this point). She then said let's meet next time. I said let me know once you arrive home.

She texted me when she arrived home. However, her response enthusiasm dropped significantly compared to before the date, I can sense there is no emotion in her response. There is no haha or anything this time. I think it might be because I did something wrong during the date, but I am not sure.

Texting
Her: I just went home
Me: Ok

1 week later

Me: Been busy with projects these days. Do you still do overtime at your work?
Her: I am overtime now
Me: Must have been sleeping in the afternoon I guess (teasing her)
... no response from her

I used to bang a lot of girls in the car it looks nothing like this , stop due to now a days is uncomfortable no quality sex. So usually I park my car in an isolated place in case I pull to car, she drives me to my car but through the date there has been either physical escalations and/or physical escalations and sexual frames combined... In the car there is not make out it kissing rejections cause it has been happening pre car... In the car is heavy makes out and escalations and pyco worked for me well in the car front sit, the back sit is used if she is down for sex after it has been done in front sit... your sequence is weird and off .. finally the texting was not smooth but dry... "Do me a favor text me when you get home to make sure you got home ok"

Usually they text:

HB:home
You: ok weak look
How I do it
Me: glad you made it, thanks for coming out that was fun...
She will usually like or agree or whatever or no respond next day you ping... You don't wait a week totally kills momentum...

See this has nothing to do with her driving but sloppy game, butched escalations and bad follow up texting specially "ok" follow by a week no contact with fake apology...

 

[StrayDog]

Car Escalation Routine

The car is a great place for quick spontaneous escalations and offers flexibility to your logistics. This little routine I have developed over the years leads smoothly from the first escalation toward sex. Different cars will probably vary a bit (the amount of space, lever seat releases vs...

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like @Skills says, run second gen before you park in the escalation spot. Otherwise there is too big a gap to close in the car (figuratively and literally) and escalation gets awkward. Plus it feels obvious at that point and if you haven't greased the wheels a bit she will be thinking "okay here we go, parked in a romantic spot, he's about to make a move" then you make the move and it feels obvious, but out of place cause you haven't built momentum towards it. Run second gen first and the moment will be ripe with tension and anticipation.

 

[SteelbookCollector]

im sure a lot of people will disagree with this because they view letting the woman drive the car, as a sign that women is being the leader and we all know for all time, the burden of leadership has always been on mens shoulders

 

[StrayDog]

im sure a lot of people will disagree with this because they view letting the woman drive the car, as a sign that women is being the leader and we all know for all time, the burden of leadership has always been on mens shoulders

what a smooth brained definition of what it means to be the leader.

 

[Lover]

im sure a lot of people will disagree with this because they view letting the woman drive the car, as a sign that women is being the leader and we all know for all time, the burden of leadership has always been on mens shoulders

Then these men should stop looking at things in terms of how/when society thinks they are being leaders. And instead, they should look at how they can make a woman invest in them. Flip the script that way.

But too bad they won't test it out. Women loooove to drive a man around when they are attracted to him and want to invest in him.

Honestly, I've never seen one woman in my life who didn't giggle and get excited when I told her she could drive us. "Wait... are you letting ME drive?!" Followed by her biting her lower lip and giving me "the eyes". Yes it happens

Maybe it's because the guys they usually meet have all these weird and strict rules about driving a car themselves. And then they make their woman feel that he doesn't appreciate her as a driver just because she is a woman (although it's his own insecurities making her feel that way!)

 

[SteelbookCollector]

what a smooth brained definition of what it means to be the leader.

just using gender sarcasm.