Making a "bad" bar work?

[BigBigBigdaddy]

Hey everyone I have been experiencing this problem for a while and I wanted to see if anyone has dealt with similar situation and can help out. Basically one of my wings is dead set on only going to this one bar but I hate this bar with a passion. I have tried many times to convince him to go somewhere else and have shown him other places, but he just wants to go back to this place. Since, this dude is like one of my better wings I really do not want to drop him but I cannot seem to think we will have much success, if ever, at this place.

So my question is how do you make what you consider a "bad" venue for seduction work?



If you need more detail here is how I would describe the place:

Going off of Chases/Alex articles on picking venues, this place is a popular college age bar with 1 room. The room is divided into 2 sections down the middle 1 section is the bar that has that square look to it taking up most of that side of the room. The other side has some booths to the side and normally some tables in the middle but later on in the night, the tables are put away to allow people to walk around/dance more freely.



Pros:

There are a tons of women that are hot, that appear at this place every week. Like its consistent, I go there I can rely on hot women being there (this is the main reason my wing wants to be here and cuz its close to his place).

The circulation is also good as new people be arriving at every hour.

The women there dress casual to fairly dolled up while the dudes are more casual. So its easier to look good in a place like that.

There a lot of booths so I guess theoretically you could get a woman to come sit down next to ya. But like no one seems to use the booths after a certain point in the night.

On the bar side there is a little bit of narrowness to the bar where it is possible to talk to people there in a semi "natural" way.


Cons:

First off the place has a major seduction flaw: wherever you stand in the venue, you can see across the entire room. So whether I'm dancing on the floor or whether I am chilling by the bar, even without trying, I can see everything going on in the place. This is not to suggest this place is super small but it's not quite big enough to where you can lead a women to a secluded part to isolate, and too big to have that nice cozy/intimate feel that some dive bars give.

The women there are typically college age women (which is not necessary a bad thing) but this leads to a lot of inexperience in the scene. Which means they having a lot more reservations on hooking up with other people in the scene. When they are around their friends, the women become very protective and it seems no matter how good your game is, how good you semi isolate, how good your wingman is, how much she is enjoying it, the women will quickly pull their friend away and end the conversation here. I know this is not a specific problem with this venue (though the severity of the situation might) and I could see you getting lucky/have good game by putting her in a corner as far away from her friends as possible BUTTTTT

when I go there, It feels like a big social event because A LOT of people there know each other from outside the bar. Like I do not think I have ever seen a place where ill walk in hear so many conversations of all these people who all know each other. Which combine with the fact that everyone can see each other makes it so that the women (IMO) are still super reserved even when not surrounded by her immediate friends. In her mind (since she's young and in college) she hast to still be reserved as she knows A LOT of her "circle" is still watching.





The only time I was able to get some type of success there, was when I danced with this woman for a little bit almost went in for a kiss, got rejected and then just went in for a number close (it was also close to closing time and I just wanted to leave). I did end up meeting her again on 2 dates but that did not go anywhere. But that's the best so far. Typically I try and start a conversation with women on the bar side and her friends will end it super quickly. Or I will try and dance with a women and again I cannot seem to get them to leave their friends to go at least to the booths nearby or try to escalate there on the dancefloor (I do not really like to do this anymore but maybe a different style there would work) cuz they are with their friends.

So how do you deal with this issue?

 

[mist]

I was also sort of hoping this'd get some attention as I'm similarly dealing with and or have dealt with rough nightgame venues where the option of leaving was not just a simple one for whatever reason.

Big bumpity bump bump.

@BigBigBigdaddy now we will pray someone above notices our plight and absolves us of the burden our ignorance holds. (If no one arrives I'll give you some of what I've tried and what has somewhat helped me, but beware it hasn't gotten me laid yet, but it did increase my odds.)

We'll wait and see my friend...

 

[pancakemouse]

There is no way to make a bad venue good.

Venue selection is number one in nightgame.

Either you go to the venue with the greatest likelihood of pulling, or you perish.

In my experience, most nightgame venues are next to impossible to pull from with cold approach, and there are usually just a few per city, maybe even just one, that are much better than the rest. Find these and go to them, even if you're rolling solo.

 

[mist]

There is no way to make a bad venue good.

Venue selection is number one in nightgame.

Either you go to the venue with the greatest likelihood of pulling, or you perish.

In my experience, most nightgame venues are next to impossible to pull from with cold approach, and there are usually just a few per city, maybe even just one, that are much better than the rest. Find these and go to them, even if you're rolling solo.

Please lock into the keys to this post. I agree with you, and have left countless bars that were just plain old bad bad and perhaps op is misusing bad...as I've seen atrocious, but the replies will be most valuable if they approach the specific keys.

Pros:

There are a tons of women that are hot, that appear at this place every week. Like its consistent, I go there I can rely on hot women being there (this is the main reason my wing wants to be here and cuz its close to his place).

The circulation is also good as new people be arriving at every hour.

The women there dress casual to fairly dolled up while the dudes are more casual. So its easier to look good in a place like that.

There a lot of booths so I guess theoretically you could get a woman to come sit down next to ya. But like no one seems to use the booths after a certain point in the night.

On the bar side there is a little bit of narrowness to the bar where it is possible to talk to people there in a semi "natural" way.


Cons:

First off the place has a major seduction flaw: wherever you stand in the venue, you can see across the entire room. So whether I'm dancing on the floor or whether I am chilling by the bar, even without trying, I can see everything going on in the place. This is not to suggest this place is super small but it's not quite big enough to where you can lead a women to a secluded part to isolate, and too big to have that nice cozy/intimate feel that some dive bars give.

The women there are typically college age women (which is not necessary a bad thing) but this leads to a lot of inexperience in the scene. Which means they having a lot more reservations on hooking up with other people in the scene. When they are around their friends, the women become very protective and it seems no matter how good your game is, how good you semi isolate, how good your wingman is, how much she is enjoying it, the women will quickly pull their friend away and end the conversation here. I know this is not a specific problem with this venue (though the severity of the situation might) and I could see you getting lucky/have good game by putting her in a corner as far away from her friends as possible BUTTTTT

when I go there, It feels like a big social event because A LOT of people there know each other from outside the bar. Like I do not think I have ever seen a place where ill walk in hear so many conversations of all these people who all know each other. Which combine with the fact that everyone can see each other makes it so that the women (IMO) are still super reserved even when not surrounded by her immediate friends. In her mind (since she's young and in college) she hast to still be reserved as she knows A LOT of her "circle" is still watching.

Now there is an element of bad game and just natural learning curve attached to this, but both op and I would really appreciate approaching this with a bit more than "water is wet" territory.

Again I agree pancake, but this form of "bad" venue still seems workable as opposed to the bad venues we both know aren't and we leave them rightly so.

Now do you have any comments on how.

I will add that the answer might simply be the venue isn't bad, we just are. Which is completely fine as an answer honestly.

Read the keys then get back

Peace.

 

[Skills]

Hey everyone I have been experiencing this problem for a while and I wanted to see if anyone has dealt with similar situation and can help out. Basically one of my wings is dead set on only going to this one bar but I hate this bar with a passion. I have tried many times to convince him to go somewhere else and have shown him other places, but he just wants to go back to this place. Since, this dude is like one of my better wings I really do not want to drop him but I cannot seem to think we will have much success, if ever, at this place.

So my question is how do you make what you consider a "bad" venue for seduction work?



If you need more detail here is how I would describe the place:

Going off of Chases/Alex articles on picking venues, this place is a popular college age bar with 1 room. The room is divided into 2 sections down the middle 1 section is the bar that has that square look to it taking up most of that side of the room. The other side has some booths to the side and normally some tables in the middle but later on in the night, the tables are put away to allow people to walk around/dance more freely.



Pros:

There are a tons of women that are hot, that appear at this place every week. Like its consistent, I go there I can rely on hot women being there (this is the main reason my wing wants to be here and cuz its close to his place).

The circulation is also good as new people be arriving at every hour.

The women there dress casual to fairly dolled up while the dudes are more casual. So its easier to look good in a place like that.

There a lot of booths so I guess theoretically you could get a woman to come sit down next to ya. But like no one seems to use the booths after a certain point in the night.

On the bar side there is a little bit of narrowness to the bar where it is possible to talk to people there in a semi "natural" way.


Cons:

First off the place has a major seduction flaw: wherever you stand in the venue, you can see across the entire room. So whether I'm dancing on the floor or whether I am chilling by the bar, even without trying, I can see everything going on in the place. This is not to suggest this place is super small but it's not quite big enough to where you can lead a women to a secluded part to isolate, and too big to have that nice cozy/intimate feel that some dive bars give.

The women there are typically college age women (which is not necessary a bad thing) but this leads to a lot of inexperience in the scene. Which means they having a lot more reservations on hooking up with other people in the scene. When they are around their friends, the women become very protective and it seems no matter how good your game is, how good you semi isolate, how good your wingman is, how much she is enjoying it, the women will quickly pull their friend away and end the conversation here. I know this is not a specific problem with this venue (though the severity of the situation might) and I could see you getting lucky/have good game by putting her in a corner as far away from her friends as possible BUTTTTT

when I go there, It feels like a big social event because A LOT of people there know each other from outside the bar. Like I do not think I have ever seen a place where ill walk in hear so many conversations of all these people who all know each other. Which combine with the fact that everyone can see each other makes it so that the women (IMO) are still super reserved even when not surrounded by her immediate friends. In her mind (since she's young and in college) she hast to still be reserved as she knows A LOT of her "circle" is still watching.





The only time I was able to get some type of success there, was when I danced with this woman for a little bit almost went in for a kiss, got rejected and then just went in for a number close (it was also close to closing time and I just wanted to leave). I did end up meeting her again on 2 dates but that did not go anywhere. But that's the best so far. Typically I try and start a conversation with women on the bar side and her friends will end it super quickly. Or I will try and dance with a women and again I cannot seem to get them to leave their friends to go at least to the booths nearby or try to escalate there on the dancefloor (I do not really like to do this anymore but maybe a different style there would work) cuz they are with their friends.

So how do you deal with this issue?

Almost stop reading after this:

Pros:

There are a tons of women that are hot, that appear at this place every week. Like its consistent,

^ the problem is not the bar, based on what i am reading from you is your strategy... With that being said, this is a problem with the wings, just go half and half, spend time with him at this bar, and choose another ones were you can go, and tell him you are going to the other bar, if he wants to come he can if not you go by yourself... Learn how to game solo...

 

[ElderPrice]

One of the most important aspects of seduction is finding locations with lots of hot women. Thus, this isn't a "bad" bar.

At the same time, your observation sounds reasonable. So the answer isn't to bail. The answer is to adapt. And I think you already have an idea on how to adapt.

• Don't use this bar for hardcore sarging and pulling
• Might be your best bet to run social circle game rather than cold approach
• Instead of going for makeouts/pulls, be friendly with the girls, then if any are interested offer to grab a drink elsewhere

If you have a venue with loads of hot women, find a way to make it work for you. Don't bail on it.