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brunomcf

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Hi Guys!

As done before (I just seem not to learn my lesson), I've shown my feeling about a gal, without having made any progress (no kissing even).
Before getting there, I'll just tell a quick story of how I met her:

-She's in my Master's class in college (yeah, I know at this point I should not do this mistake)
-She prolly saw me as some sort of entrepreneur hotshot, as I had my startup at the time
-She was really nice to me, toke notes for me in classes, picked my scrapbook when I left at the classes, and even cheated for my in the exams
-She invited my out many times, but for some reason I couldn't go. And tbh, I just tought she was just so into me, that I've kinda ignored her at the beggining
-She did also Invited to her place in betweem end of classes, and party start. Said no cause felt she was a keeper, and didn't wanted to start like that
-She did once asked if i had a girlfriend, and just an affair going on. I joked about it, gave no her no answer, and she was like "ok...."
-After going out with a group of friends a couple of times, finally took her out after classes. Grabbed a snack, then a friend came up, we went to a night club and danced. She's really sexy and made me feel really wild. I grabbed her hand while exiting the disco through the crowd (she said it was the reason why she stopped haging out with me, cause she took as a sign of a serious relationship).
But when driving her home in my friend's car, she asked if it would be best my friend dropping us at my car, and then leaving her home. What I understood was that she asked if I wanted to be dropped off first, leaving her alone wih my friend, so I said "no, u'll be droped off first."
So, according to my friend, that was the reason it drove her away from me. Because she wanted to make out, and took that as a NO, feeling rejected.

After this going out, at her friends birthday party I got drunk and kissed her neck in public while dancing. Coudn't see how her reacted, but she didn'tpushed me back or anything like that. We just kept on dancing, like nothing ever happened.
Next day she calling me when I was on some sort of double date, I was ready to leave that date to meet her. As she waiting to finish dinner with friends (dinners in Portugal can go like until 2am), but then her best friend and roomate was felling bad, and she said we'd go out some other day.
At the time, I really felt that was it, that I'd get in her pants. But I've waited she would invited me again, but guess that neven happened.

Even though she was like avoing me, and saying stuff like "I'll let you know when I'll have time to go out with you". I knew that was a straight and hard NO. But I told I need to talk to her, and she kept on postponing me. Saw her at the club a month ago, I was really drunk (when that happens I get either too violent, or to lovelly/romantic). So, I told I had feelings for her, "I really liked you a lot, but you just vanish", "I've never met anyone as sweet as you" (Yes, I was waisted drunk). She, obiously said very kindly she didn't had the same feelings for me, saying I wasn't the kind of man she was looking for, even thgouh I was nice and on...

The next days became a lot worse, avoiding me in classes and stuff. Then we talked, and asked if i was ok, I said I was awesome. I moved on pretty quickly, went out with the first girl who said yes on facebook. Just wish she didn't seen my texting in classes with that chick,

Anyway, even though I've felt like this only once, I've tried to convince myself "she's a slut, just forget about het and move on". And I did went out with lots of other girls, but none really made me feel like she did.
As time went by, I've managed to forgot her. But the fact we're in the same class makes it dificult. For example, when she like reading memories start coming to my mind. We were together at a 2 group assignments in classes. As one being led my be and screwing up bigtime, she decided to leave my group on the other class.
Than, she grabbed me aside, telling me I really screwed up on that assignment, and everyone's grade would be bad cause of me.
But she was really kind giving me that message, and gave me some advice in order to perform in college. Because of that, the feelings I had for her, just come on top again.

I know this will never workout. but I deep within I want to give it one last chanche. Do you guys think it's worth it? What to do?

ps: sorry for the long text...thx
 

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On a side note... I don't think a girl 'being a slut' is such a bad thing. We're working from a mindset where we love women and love to sleep with them and a woman who makes it easy for us to sleep with them shouldn't be looked on in a negative way. In my world, 'slutty' is good. It means sexually open and liberated. If you haven't slept with her yet, sorry dude, she's probably not a slut. If you maintain a negative attitude like that it will hurt your chances, with this girl and with others in the future.
 

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Shouldn't convince yourself a girl who didn't want things to work out because of your blunders and mistakes is a slut that is unfair. There are many posts on this site and some touch on judgement and labels etc. You did make the mistake of getting piss drunk and telling her your feelings, best thing to do in this situation would be to leave her be and continue on with hooking up with other girls, if she sees or starts to notice the amount of attention other women are giving you it might invoke feelings in her, making her attempt to get with you. Other than that treat her as a regular friend keep it platonic and continue to do you. Good Luck ~ Novacane
 

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You've identified one of the major errors which was telling her your feelings and removing all intrigue. Another major error, in case you don't know, is moving very slowly with women. She was showing many signs of interested but ended up feeling rejected as you did not swiftly take her to bed. What she said about the hand holding was just an excuse- The real reason she stopped seeing you was because you didn't make a move. When she said you are not the kind of man she is looking for, she means she wants a strong-willed, decisive sexy man who acts fast, and that's the kind of person that you can become.

It's good to hear that you've been dating other women. You should be pleased that she has witnessed you being successful with other women as this could help to restore her attraction for you- Keep it up. Is she showing any new signs of interest now?
 

brunomcf

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Hi Guys!

Thanks for your quick reply. Now things start to make a little bit more sense.
Just added two more topics, I've forgot, and that may be important for this:
-She did also Invited to her place in betweem end of classes, and party start. Said no cause felt she was a keeper, and didn't wanted to start like that
-She did once asked if i had a girlfriend, or just an affair going on. I joked about it, gave no her no answer, and she was like "ok...."


- Ok. So thinking she was a slut may sound like vindictive or sth,but it was just a way my mind found to defend itself. So I'd just keep her out of my mind. It seems she isn't, and that's one of the reasons why I fell in love with her.

-Well, yeah I shouldn't have drunk that much. I loved the girl and ddecided to go slow, cause I wanted to build strong relantionship and not just making out.
Now I get nothing. I could at least had sex with someone I loved even though it may have not ment the same for her.
So, when I arranjed a date with a Checkz girl on facebook on the phone, so was next to me in class. Didn't do it on purpose (had no time to do it later), but she could obviuosly see it if she wanted (Htc One X screen is damn big).
When she realized what I was doing, she dragged her chair as far way as possible onto the wall. Started acting weird. For example, crossed her arms really hard, leaned her head down, started banging her shoe agains the floor really fast and hard. I even felt uncomfortable with that...
What do you think that reaction means? Would she do that if she had absolut no interest at all on me?

-Penguin, u definatelly got a point! I was to damn lame acting so f***** mister nice guy. Should have known by now, those guys never get laid.
Not sure if she shown signs of interest. After the "talk" with her, she did invited me again to hang out in the club with the college friends. And she called me like on december 22 at 1h30 am, exactly when her roommate left the house moving back home for holiday. Looking for party? Or wanted to chat about college assignments?
Whatever that was, I was already asleep. texted her next morning saying that, but got no reply. What could i have said in the text?
Anyway, in order to draw face to face conclusions, I went to her workplace at Lingerie store at the Mall. Seen some clothes, and asked if she was busy that night. As she was going out with friends, I told her to have fun.
But I just have the feeling that if I had another type of posture, I could have had really busy Christmas holliday! hehe
 

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brunomcf said:
-She did also Invited to her place in betweem end of classes, and party start. Said no cause felt she was a keeper, and didn't wanted to start like that
-She did once asked if i had a girlfriend, or just an affair going on. I joked about it, gave no her no answer, and she was like "ok...."

Yep you simply haven't capitalised on her interest. You know the most sure-fire way to become her boyfriend is to have sex immediately instead of taking no action and hoping that maybe one day you will somehow get together.

I notice you have turned down several of her invitations to try and get you alone or simply try and get you out. The 22/12 thing was another attempt to get you alone with her (obviously it's not your fault you were asleep).

About the shoe banging thing- Sounds like you made her jealous and horny :p. If it's not too late now, you need to get her alone as soon as possible and physically escalate into sex.
 

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Well, the way I see when she acted when I was facbooking other chick was like she was anxious and nervous. And there would be no reason for it if she ahd no interest on me.
But I'll take your comment on it, as I'm no body language expert.

She just seems she is not interested, and then every once in a while invites me out. That 1h30am call might actually have been a college assignment thing, once she did call at one 1am one day about that (but that day we actually we close to the deadline).

Anyway, as she offered me dinner at her place, I told I'd take her into a fancy place to have diiner (run by a friend, it will be cheap). It's has been 2 weeks and she hasn't told when she's coming. So I either give her a deadline, or just tell her the invitatio hs expired. Ok, she had lots of wrok in December due to Christmas, but now she droped it. What I do know is when a girl wants to be with a guy, she allways makes up time, even if they have to cancel other stuff.
So there's not much of a point keeping open an invitation that will never be accepted. In a way keeoing this open, it's like being allways available for her, and when she has nothing else to do, she'll prolly take it. Like I was some sort of plan B, and that ain't good for me...


ps: Have swiiming classes tomorrow, I better just take on the teacher who's allways "touching me" in a sexy way during classes. "Hey, how about I get a private swimming classe to improve my skills faster?"
What kind of technic would u use?
 
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sounds like you're making this unnecessarily hard for both of you! If she's only contacting you occasionally and at funny times of night, it's probably because she's horny and thinking about you AT THAT MOMENT. If she's inviting you round to her house for dinner, she probably doesn't want to go to a restaurant; eating's not the name of the game here, seduction is! She's clearly trying to help you out with logistics - i.e. you won't have to worry about taking her somewhere private to escalate physically, because you're already there.

If a girl is into you enough to engineer it so you are alone in a house together, then that is a pretty big green light, my friend. The only danger here is that by acting so slow, she will think you really only DO want to be platonic friends and she will close up on you pretty fast. I've made this mistake myself a few times - trying to take a girl out somewhere when she just wants to be alone with you sends them into auto-rejection FAST and once they are into that phase it's very very hard to get them out again. There really is NO NEED WHATSOEVER to 'take things slowly' with a girl you think is 'special' or 'different'. They read it as hesitation. Then while you're waiting for the right time to pull a move, someone else storms in there and 'sweeps her off her feet'. People do not take three dates to 'sweep someone off their feet'. They take... oh, five minutes.
 

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brunomcf said:
Anyway, as she offered me dinner at her place, I told I'd take her into a fancy place to have diiner

What?? Don't you want to have sex with her? XD

She's trying to get you two alone so you can seduce her, you're trying to slow things down and show her that you can be a good provider for her in the future when she's done sleeping with guys who move fast. The reason she hasn't accepted your invitation is because she won't get what she wants (sex with you) by going to a fancy restaurant.

Either invite her to yours for "dinner" or accept her next invitation to hers.

That swimming thing sounds like an exciting opportunity for you. It would be pretty funny if you said the private lessons thing in a sexy way :). Maybe you should make another topic about that as it could be a story worth sharing.
 

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Ok. So let me clear things out:

- Had 2 calls at funny times at night, one for college assingments as the deadline was close. The other never got to know, as she didn't texted back
- She invited over for dinner as I was going to fix her computer at her place. And her roommate was there, so I don't think progress would be done at that particular night.

She already gave me the "let's just be good friends talk". As I don't see how things can move from this point on.
Gave some thought about, and prolly telling her stuff that would driver her sexually crazy would be the best option.
"Hey just downloaded this Kamasutra app for my android. Which one you like the most?". Either I'd get slapped in the face, or get inside her pants. Anyway, any action is better than just sit around and wait, which is what I've been doing so far...


Penguin, inviting her to my place wouldn't work, cause I live 30 kilometers away from my college, in my parents house...
Anyway, I'm done living here, and I'll move close to college this week maybe. Then I'll invite her to my place, and make her cook for me, cause I suck at it...hehe


Ps: Would it help at all to tell her something like this "Btw, remember that night at the club when I told you lots of stuff? Maybe we just forgot about it, because I don't even quite remember what I said in the first place as I was really drunk...ok?"
What u guys think?
 

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When you say roommate, do they share a room or a flat? If it's flat, then you could have gone in her room and shut the door. Don't do favours for women like fix their computer by the way- They need to be the ones investing in you.

If you keep trying to talk to her it will look like you're chasing her which women find unattractive. You know when you made her bang her shoes because she was jealous and horny? You need to keep doing that. Get her to witness your success with other women, so she will want you herself.
 

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Penguin said:
Don't do favours for women like fix their computer by the way- They need to be the ones investing in you.

If you keep trying to talk to her it will look like you're chasing her which women find unattractive. You know when you made her bang her shoes because she was jealous and horny? You need to keep doing that. Get her to witness your success with other women, so she will want you herself.

What Penguin said... Don't do favours for women!!! Get them doing things for you instead.
 

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Penguin, they share a room unfortunatelly.
Anyway, when I move to downtown, I'll get try to get her into my room (unfortunatelly it will be shared, but the guy will be ok with staying out for a bit, I guess).

Her computer was such a mess, it would hardly work, all I did was to format it. Kinda felt pitty for her, cause she had no money to get it fixed in a store. Also gave her my Fon password so she would have free internet acess. I'm such a nice guy, right? (I know nice guys never get laid, but I just can't help it...)
Well, at a time, it was her doing me favours. Like taking notes in classes and events for me, a cheating for me in exams, getting me contacts for my startup, picking up my scrapbook whenever I fogort it. Just tell me guys, if that ain't love, what is it then? hehe (somehow, things had a huge turnover)

Anyway, I asked her if I could study with her because I've been not given a f*ck about college again. She said NO, because I'd slow her down. I was a bit upset (didn't not let her see that) at the begining, but then I understood her point. Cause I've already had her in the sign assignment as me and I fucked up her grade as well.

Yesterday, she gave me her notes anyway for today's test. She was worried aboyt me, saying "if you keep going like this ur gonna fail at all the exams. This is the last time I'm helping you, you need to learn to do stuff by yourself".
I have to say I'm a bad period of my life, I try to hide it from people, and I can fool most of them, but not her.
Even though I told her I'd get my shit back together, and everything is fine, she said "I don't believe that. Look at u, ur in such a terrible shape, ur just a mess right now. Hope everything turns out ok, but I find it hard to believe".

Even though she was sweet on worrying about me, even shown her my weaknesses, and as a MAN I just couldn't.
I don't see this moving positevelly on my way, unless she secretelly likes me a lot, and he's willing to have sex and date a "messed up" guy, or unless I just pull something awesome. For example, gilrs like sucessfull man, if my startup kicks ass, she'll prolly look at me the way she did at the beginning.

When I left she sent me a message saying she was sorry for being a "little unkind and distant", because she didn't wanted to talk, she just wanted to focus on studying.

What you guys have to say about this? I'm a bit confused, but still hoping it will turn out right.

Thx
 

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brunomcf said:
Penguin, they share a room unfortunatelly.
Anyway, when I move to downtown, I'll get try to get her into my room (unfortunatelly it will be shared, but the guy will be ok with staying out for a bit, I guess).

Her computer was such a mess, it would hardly work, all I did was to format it. Kinda felt pitty for her, cause she had no money to get it fixed in a store. Also gave her my Fon password so she would have free internet acess. I'm such a nice guy, right? (I know nice guys never get laid, but I just can't help it...)
Well, at a time, it was her doing me favours. Like taking notes in classes and events for me, a cheating for me in exams, getting me contacts for my startup, picking up my scrapbook whenever I fogort it. Just tell me guys, if that ain't love, what is it then? hehe (somehow, things had a huge turnover)

Anyway, I asked her if I could study with her because I've been not given a f*ck about college again. She said NO, because I'd slow her down. I was a bit upset (didn't not let her see that) at the begining, but then I understood her point. Cause I've already had her in the sign assignment as me and I fucked up her grade as well.

Yesterday, she gave me her notes anyway for today's test. She was worried aboyt me, saying "if you keep going like this ur gonna fail at all the exams. This is the last time I'm helping you, you need to learn to do stuff by yourself".
I have to say I'm a bad period of my life, I try to hide it from people, and I can fool most of them, but not her.
Even though I told her I'd get my shit back together, and everything is fine, she said "I don't believe that. Look at u, ur in such a terrible shape, ur just a mess right now. Hope everything turns out ok, but I find it hard to believe".

Even though she was sweet on worrying about me, even shown her my weaknesses, and as a MAN I just couldn't.
I don't see this moving positevelly on my way, unless she secretelly likes me a lot, and he's willing to have sex and date a "messed up" guy, or unless I just pull something awesome. For example, gilrs like sucessfull man, if my startup kicks ass, she'll prolly look at me the way she did at the beginning.

When I left she sent me a message saying she was sorry for being a "little unkind and distant", because she didn't wanted to talk, she just wanted to focus on studying.

What you guys have to say about this? I'm a bit confused, but still hoping it will turn out right.

Thx

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I want you to start getting yourself back together and start getting results from other women:
- Shes already friend zoned you I'm afraid.

She has no feelings for you, but her care is genuine and natural as a friend and as a classmate who would hate to see you fail knowing that she's probably the only one who can do something about it. Shes helping you out of her own conscience, because if she doesn't, she would feel bad.

The way she talked to you is exactly how an older sister or mother would tell her brother / son off - Giving it to you straight. No bullshit.
There is no boy girl romance or any kind of chemistry there at all.

As for my own advise:
Pull yourself up brother, and start taking charge of your life again. Girls do not find guys attractive if they know that guy is in a mess.
Move On and date other women.
I would keep her as a good friend btw, she seems resourceful and actually cares. You don't find many good female friends like that.
 

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It's time to stop focusing on her and to start investing in yourself. Sort your life out so that she can see you as strong rather than weak.
 

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Well, thanks for your stratghfoward advice.

Even though she could a really good hard to find friend, she could be a even better and harder to find girlfriend.

I can't stand the fact that she just wants me as a friend. Won't be able to be her friend while she'll be fucking some douchebag who doesn't care about her (happened before with other chick, unbearable).
So, I think i'd better just stop talking to her, erase her completelly out of my mind.
Maybe she'll see me other way, if she feels like that completelly ignore. Maybe I've paid to much attention to her.

regards :)
 

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Hey guys!

Haven't posted on this one as I had no hope it would ever work. But here's what happens:

Last Thursday she was texting with more "older sister talk" about college. But then she asked me if I was going out with the international exchange program students, and they were departing. In order to look busy, I told her this "Well, I can go there for a bit and say goodbye, as i have already plans for the night". Also thought if she wanted to have something with me, she woul have to play her game really hard.

So, that what I did, had dinner with everyone, went to a bar after that. As we only had group chats, she never grabbed me aside, I assumed her interest wasn't that big.
And as told in text, I said I ha dto leave to meet someone else.

I actually had another girl to go out with, from Checks republic, but as I had an workshop the next day, I didn't go.
It would had been spectacular to post pictures with that and all other Erasmus students hot chicks, and make daniela jelous. Right?
Too bad I paid 100€ for the workshop, and couldn't miss it. hehe
 

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Hey guys!

So, I was trying to change my towards Daniela from a friend to a lover, but I just can't get the chance to be with her.
Tried on Monday and tuesday to invite her for a drink, but she said she was too busy during the week, and had more time on the weekend.
She said she would "tell me later when she was available to go out with me". I said I "take no laters for an answer". That was the very last communication we had...

My class buddies go out every once in a while, and that includes me and Daniela.
I wasn't invited for the last 2 or 3, and the last time they went out was yesterday. Daniela knowing I wanted to go out with her just didn't tell me anything about it.
So, she's probably avoiding because of showing my feelings towards her when I got drunk that night?

I'm really pissed off right now, not even my friends invited me... (maybe she's the one who asked not to)

Do you think it's worth another try and inviting her again?
She's organizing a "single's valentines day dinner" event on facebook, with friends from college and on. I haven't said i was going or not, not even posted anything on the event. this to keep the mistery up.
Funny fact about, she only invited me after I posted a picture at a bar with a hot Cheks Republic friend, 5 days after she created the event (everyone else was already invited).

In case I invite her to go out she'll prolly say "we can go out on that singles valentines dinner". Which she has done before, going out with me on group stuff. That sucks...

Ur opinions and tips can be very usefull. Right now I feel like blocking her on facebook, or shout at her. (which would look terrible by the way)

Thx
 

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Bruno,

Sounds like she isn't that into you bro :/. As frustrating/painful as that sounds, I don't think she's feeling the same way. If the girl liked you, she would have found time for you and would have definitely invited you out to the group event, which you would normally want to decline because you wouldn't be getting anywhere with her.

You could try one last time to get her out on a weekend. Being a little persistent is good, but based on what you're saying, I don't see how she's into you. Try getting her out one more time, if she flakes or says 'maybe' or makes up an excuse, either befriend her (which you probably don't want to do) or cut her off for a bit and meet new girls. You have to meet new girls to get over her, use that as your motivation if you have to and you'll forget all about her! ;)

Cheers,
Garrett
 

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Thanks for ur reply.

She was once chasing me, but I've messed up for the reasons i've explained earlier.
But not even inviting me for a group going out? She prolly hates me for some reason right now, doesn't she?

I just don't even know what to do exactly if she ever goes out with me.

I've done a smart play to get more girl interaction. I moved into an Erasmus students house, that means 10 people who allways party, and bring their friends.
There's like 2000 Erasmus students(from all over Europe, Brazil too) in the city per semester. All of them party, ages 21-26 mostly.
This is the perfect community to meet women, and have some fun.

Maybe I'll open up a topic about this Erasmus Chasing! hehe

Ps: And hopefully I'll forget Daniela
 
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