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CaptainHenley

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Hey lads,

I hope you are all good. I need your help very badly, since I don't know what to do. I will try to be as detailed as possible so you can understand me, if some parts are unnecessary please bear with since I am only trying to communicate the situation effectively.


So there is this girl, shy excited type, no makeup perfect characteristics, awesome athletic body and conservative clothes. She is with me in engineering class.

One day I randomly was in the row in front of her, drinking some soda or something, and it was shit, so I turned around and said "this soda is so shit, how could someone fuck it up so bad?" And she started giggling and thats when I first noticed her. A bit of chit chat about the lecture and then we didnt really spoke again.

Then the other day I was behind her, working on my laptop, and she turned around and said "it's huge!", and I was like "Thanks" and she started giggling again. So thats when I started noticing her more and more.

This is where I decided to take action.

One day, sitting close to her, noticing her checking me out occasionally,I waited for the lecture to end, then followed her, sprinted a bit, and as soon as I was close slowed down my pace and said "Hey you from engineering!"

She stopped, turned back, and we started walking together .

"What's up?"
"All good you?"
"Good, didn't catch your name the other day, what is it?"
"X"
"CaptainHenley, nice to meet you"

A little talk on our way home on what activities she is doing and how her schedule is like, with me giving a few compliments on her style. Right before my house, I said to her we need to organize something, and she said phone number would be the best choice. We exchanged numbers and were on our way. Later I texted her my name with a "nice meeting you "

Texted a couple of texts concerning our lectures, then asked her about her schedule. She didnt answer for two days. The third day, while in class, I texted her to wait for me at the end because I wanted to talk to her. She did, with her friends. I started talking to her, the friends kind of drifted away.

Talking about some random stuff about the Uni, and then I told her that we need to talk about our date. She said she doesnt have time at all. I said come on, that cant be true. And she kept insisting on it, while I was just saying that you must have some time to spare. Turned to one of her friends and told her "I am trying to take your friend out but she comes up with those silly excuses! Help me out!" And they both started laughing and all. That was on a Friday, two weeks go to be exact. She said we should meet next week, and I countered that by saying thats too late and we need to meet up that Weekend. She said maybe Saturday afternoon, I said "most likely" -"maybe"
"quite likely-"
maybe"
"very likely"
And then I joked "Thats all the English I know dear",At this point I really needed to leave because of other obligations, so I said, See you tommorow and said to her
friend "You are my mate on this one, text her all the time to meet up tommorow, like Captain Henley is a great guy etc etc"




Texted her on Saturday(i have actually a post on that) saying I have time to spare from 3pm and on wards, she replied that she is sick and cant make it, to which I proposed that we do something simple like cooking or just hanging out.She didnt respond.


So Tuesday comes up and I chatted her up in the same manner. Small talked a bit, and then I asked her about her schedule again. Mind you at that time I had a lot of other difficulties, so I felt really weak and needy, fearing rejection and all. She insisted that she has no time at all, and I said come on I will help you find some time. And started saying what about Monday, what do you do, Tuesday then, Wednesday ? etc. Then she was busy at the Weekend aswell. This is obviously awful and I achieved nothing by doing that whatsoever. Right before my house I said "ok wait a minute" She kept walking, I started making slow big steps saying dont make me chase you, which she replied "Please stop I am so tired, I dont want to, I will talk to you another time "( she did say that she had only slept 3 hours the previous night).


I didnt talk to her until this monday, when I texted her in the morning if she is back from her hometown. She said "yes unfortunately", and i replied "why the frown" to which she gave no reply. At the end of the lecture, I stopped her again. I said what's up and all that stuff, and told her that we really need to go out, and that it is going to be great and amazing. She said she didnt know when. I said "Alright, lets forget that, lets just find a day where we can say that we will talk about how to orgianize it all, pinky promise?" She replied " No pinky promise, just promise ", and we said goodbye.


That day was supposed to be Wednesday, but I couldnt find her after the lecture to talk. I called her up, and she said she is sick in bed and left the Uni a bit earlier(she was there before, I just didnt find her at the end)

I said alright see you soon, she said see you later and hung up.

Now English isnt my first language so I thought that by saying see you later she actually meant we would go out later, and I texted her asking her that.

She said "No, I am in bed and wont go out at all"
"Hope you get well soon. How did you get sick anyways?"
"No idea. I pity the people who have to hear my presentation tommorow"
"Play it off as intentional. You wanted to sound clear, sultry and ill-sounding" (The lecturer told us to think about what we wanted to sound like)
A bit of random texting about her presantation.

Then I texted her today if she is staying at one lecture, because I wanted to talk to her. No reply. She actually did stay, I was there aswell.

During the end she passed near me with her friends, without looking at all at me, and I said "Wait wait I need to talk to you" and she said "I am in a hurry " to which I replied "It will only take a second". And she and her friends started running through the corridors(what the fuck).

I didnt run after them obviously, but guessed where they were going and went there through a shortcut. I was actually correct, and I found them.

"What are you doing haha?" I said while she and her friends where walking towards the exit. She was laughing and all ."Quite the cute escape you had there" We were all laughing together. Her friends insisted that she goes a certain way with me and they would leave, and so that happened. We started talking and walking back home again. Some random stuff about school, a compliment on her coat,saying "Are you a captain with that coat? "
"Yes I am"
"A royal one?"
''No"
"So you are a pirate then?
"yup"

Something else I dont remember, and I said we should finally plan our date. She said she didnt want to. I said we dont have to get married or anything, just talk, see if we like each other, and take it from there. She said she knew herself well enough to know that she wont like it, and that she isnt a talkative person. I said now its your chance to talk and have fun. She said no . I said "you can spare a couple of hours"
"No, I am sick and I am dying, I cant and dont want to"
"You are dying?"(by the way at some point she told me she is going running later on the afternoon)
"Yes, all the time"
"Thats what we all do, for the next 70 years!"
she started laughing
"Thats why you need to have good experiences and remember them, life is short!"
"I know what experiences I want, and I dont wanna go out"

So at this point I really didnt know what to do. I was just saying how can you be so sure and she just insisted on saying no.

So I tried to bluff (i guess?) by saying" are you sure? 100% sure? engineering precision sure? Becuase then I will stop texting you, there is refund policy here. "Which she replied yes to all of them and said she didnt want to.

But she was kind of laughing. So I got really confused, and thought I should insist more. Kept saying the same things though. She said now you are being annoying, but still laughing. Said that a couple of times. I kept persisting, commenting on how she is laughing and obviously isnt serious. I asked her a couple of times if she is actually serious. She said yes, and told me to stop being pushy because the answer will always be no. I asked her why she is smiling then? She said I am a happy person.

I replied that I am a happy person aswell, we are walking in the same direction, we have so many things in common(joking manner) and we should give it a try. She said no again, and at that point I had to stop walking with her to go home. I said alright, cheers, see you around, and left.

Now that I am typing it all down, I see some mistakes. If you could point them out that would be great, also if you could show me how to persist in a better way that would also be appreciated.

I really like this girl. I have ben cold approaching, night gaming aswell, and I am doing pretty good for a beginner. But this girl....god, I see that she is a perfect match for me. All of our friends say the same aswell(hers and mine). She is the shy-excited type. We have so many things in common, I can sense it. The way she talks, walks looks etc. Even her clothing choices are in line with my style and taste. But I dont think she realises that. Do you think there is a way of turning this around?

I would be surprised if there was, but I really want it to turn around. Its just such a shame.

Cheers guys, I hope you have a good one.

(EDIT: So on another note, I really like those girls best. Right now have long hair, and kind of a rebel type lets say (not quite, but wearing leather biker jackets boots etc) ...would cutting my hair or appearing a bit more conservative increase my chances? By the way, the haircut I have now suits me, and I do take care of it, and receive a lot f compliments )
 

ProblemSolving

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Re: Messed up with Shy-Excited girl, I would really appreciate any help I can ge

Hey Captain H,

I know when you're new it can be tough to figure out which girls are interested from the ones that are not. Here's how to tell if a girl is legitimately interested; she says "Yes!" when you ask her out and if she's busy on the day you pick, she will ask to reschedule. This girl is clearly not interested, so forget about her and find one that is. There is no need to stalk girls to get a date. This isn't the movies where the guy spams the girl's inbox until she finally gives in and they fall madly in love. In the real world, all it takes is to ask her out ONE time to see how interested she is. If she's not interested, you simply move on to find one that is.
 

CaptainHenley

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Re: Messed up with Shy-Excited girl, I would really appreciate any help I can ge

ProblemSolving said:
Hey Captain H,

I know when you're new it can be tough to figure out which girls are interested from the ones that are not. Here's how to tell if a girl is legitimately interested; she says "Yes!" when you ask her out and if she's busy on the day you pick, she will ask to reschedule. This girl is clearly not interested, so forget about her and find one that is. There is no need to stalk girls to get a date. This isn't the movies where the guy spams the girl's inbox until she finally gives in and they fall madly in love. In the real world, all it takes is to ask her out ONE time to see how interested she is. If she's not interested, you simply move on to find one that is.

Hey ProblemSolving!

Thanks for the quick reply. Well she did say yes the first time, and she kept saying next week, next Saturday etc. (did I mention that?) So until our latest interaction I was not quite sure of what she wanted.

Also, what about persistence? Chase in one of his articles mentions how he called and texted girls for 3 weeks sometimes(sporadically, not everyday) until the agreed to a date. Have I misunderstood that concept? How could I persist in a more suave way in the future? On the persistence note, your reply quite surprised me. For example Elon Musk persisted with his first wife , who was dating only cool popular guys, so much, that she eventually accepted. Is my notion correct? I feel there is a disconnect between what I have understood and what actually works? I really dont know.


Do you have any other comments on the whole thing, like bits to improve or that I should keep in mind.

Again, thanks a lot. Your reply finds me in a general confusion, and is greatly appreciated.

Btw, "cold approaching" or just chatting up girls (not real cold approaching to be honest) seems to not work at all for me. Is it me? Like girls who will get smashed and fuck random guys during party nights , will not reply to my texts after approaching them in the Uni's pub and agreeing to go on a date...

I dont get it to be honest. And the thing is, I am getting so many looks, girls eyeballing me and all...yet here I am , a kissless virgin, not being able to concetrate on my studies at all because of that part missing from my life...
 

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Re: Messed up with Shy-Excited girl, I would really appreciate any help I can ge

How could I persist in a more suave way in the future?

CaptainHenley,

I can relate to your experience so fucking damn well. I broke up with my first girlfriend because I consistently asked her to lunch, asked her to hang out after class, etc etc. She said she liked me back, but I was confused because she kept saying "Lets do it next week, I'm busy" "Or, I can't do it these days"

With you and I being nervous, we kept persisting. Reading through your story, I was like - this is just me. I kept asking her until the relationship turned sort of sour. Before it could get any worse, I broke up with her. I respectfully disagree with ProblemSolving in this case. I bet the girl was interested in you, but also either - would rather be alone - or is too busy with her personal life.

There's nothing you can do about that situation, You just have to move on and find a new girl. Attracting a woman is also about respecting her boundaries. If she says "no", don't pursue it 5 times more.

Btw, "cold approaching" or just chatting up girls (not real cold approaching to be honest) seems to not work at all for me. Is it me? Like girls who will get smashed and fuck random guys during party nights , will not reply to my texts after approaching them in the Uni's pub and agreeing to go on a date...

Tell me, are you looking for a one-night-stand or a relationship? Those girls who fuck with random guys aren't looking for a relationship, which is why it's probably not working out with you. If you want to just have sex and fun, don't approach it with a date. Girls love direct guys. Ask her straightforwardly if she wants to fuck.
If you're not a party guy, I wouldn't bother with these girls. These girls like guys who party, but you're way to valuable to have to conform to their opinions just to get in bed with them. There are tons of other hot girls who don't party. Chase after them.

The most important thing you're looking for is mindset. Right now, you're thinking about girls too much. I can tell because you wrote a 12 page essay post. The ironic thing is, non-neediness is what attracts girls. When you show them, you don't depend on them, that attracts them. Because scientifically, through evolution. Women looked for strong men who could protect them. If you're so insecure around women all the time, trying to impress every hot girl you meet. That doesn't attract women.

I wrote a nice article on this very topic, which has more detail, depth and additional resources. It also talks about improving "yourself" first, putting "you" before women. That's one of the most important things. You can check it out here, and it would mean a lot to me too if you could do so. http://manyoulookgood.com/2016/11/04/become-a-genuine-alpha-and-start-getting-the-girls-you-want/

Good luck brother!
 

ProblemSolving

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CaptainHenley said:
Thanks for the quick reply. Well she did say yes the first time, and she kept saying next week, next Saturday etc. (did I mention that?) So until our latest interaction I was not quite sure of what she wanted.

She's hoping that if she keeps postponing the date that you'll eventually take the hint and stop asking. This allows her to not seem like an asshole by blatantly saying, "I'm not interested." If girls are actually busy and STILL want to see you, they will work with you, not against you, to figure out a different time. This girl made no effort to reschedule.

CaptainHenley said:
Also, what about persistence? Chase in one of his articles mentions how he called and texted girls for 3 weeks sometimes(sporadically, not everyday) until the agreed to a date. Have I misunderstood that concept? How could I persist in a more suave way in the future? On the persistence note, your reply quite surprised me. For example Elon Musk persisted with his first wife , who was dating only cool popular guys, so much, that she eventually accepted. Is my notion correct? I feel there is a disconnect between what I have understood and what actually works? I really dont know.

Chase has a good article on the difference between chasing and persistence:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-chasing-women-doesn’t-work-and-why-persistence-does

Pretty much the only times I use any persistence is when I've got the girl on my bed and I'm going for the close. This is because it's clear that she already likes me, otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to go on a date or come by to my place. Here, your persistence gets rewarded, while in your case, you just seem like a clueless guy who can't take a hint that's she's not interested.

CaptainHenley said:
Do you have any other comments on the whole thing, like bits to improve or that I should keep in mind.

Ask the next girl out ONE time. If she doesn't say, "Yes!" or "Can we do a different day, because I've got xyz?" Then forget about her. If shes says, she's free next week, then get her to pick a SPECIFIC day. If she can't pick a day, forget about her. None of this "Maybe" shit. It's yes or no.

CaptainHenley said:
Btw, "cold approaching" or just chatting up girls (not real cold approaching to be honest) seems to not work at all for me. Is it me? Like girls who will get smashed and fuck random guys during party nights , will not reply to my texts after approaching them in the Uni's pub and agreeing to go on a date...

If you are at a party, bar, pub, club or whatever, your goal should not be to get numbers - it should be to get laid. Getting numbers should be a last resort after you've already tried to get the girl home. If she can't come home with you, then get her number. How many girls have you invited home?

CaptainHenley said:
I dont get it to be honest. And the thing is, I am getting so many looks, girls eyeballing me and all...yet here I am , a kissless virgin, not being able to concetrate on my studies at all because of that part missing from my life..

If you get a lot of girls eyeballing you, it's a very good thing. There is interest. Now, you just need to get a bit physical with them. Get close and touch them and of course, invite them home for a "night cap, food, movies, or whatever".
 

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ProblemSolving said:
CaptainHenley said:
Thanks for the quick reply. Well she did say yes the first time, and she kept saying next week, next Saturday etc. (did I mention that?) So until our latest interaction I was not quite sure of what she wanted.

She's hoping that if she keeps postponing the date that you'll eventually take the hint and stop asking. This allows her to not seem like an asshole by blatantly saying, "I'm not interested." If girls are actually busy and STILL want to see you, they will work with you, not against you, to figure out a different time. This girl made no effort to reschedule.

CaptainHenley said:
Also, what about persistence? Chase in one of his articles mentions how he called and texted girls for 3 weeks sometimes(sporadically, not everyday) until the agreed to a date. Have I misunderstood that concept? How could I persist in a more suave way in the future? On the persistence note, your reply quite surprised me. For example Elon Musk persisted with his first wife , who was dating only cool popular guys, so much, that she eventually accepted. Is my notion correct? I feel there is a disconnect between what I have understood and what actually works? I really dont know.

Chase has a good article on the difference between chasing and persistence:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/why-chasing-women-doesn’t-work-and-why-persistence-does

Pretty much the only times I use any persistence is when I've got the girl on my bed and I'm going for the close. This is because it's clear that she already likes me, otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to go on a date or come by to my place. Here, your persistence gets rewarded, while in your case, you just seem like a clueless guy who can't take a hint that's she's not interested.

CaptainHenley said:
Do you have any other comments on the whole thing, like bits to improve or that I should keep in mind.

Ask the next girl out ONE time. If she doesn't say, "Yes!" or "Can we do a different day, because I've got xyz?" Then forget about her. If shes says, she's free next week, then get her to pick a SPECIFIC day. If she can't pick a day, forget about her. None of this "Maybe" shit. It's yes or no.

CaptainHenley said:
Btw, "cold approaching" or just chatting up girls (not real cold approaching to be honest) seems to not work at all for me. Is it me? Like girls who will get smashed and fuck random guys during party nights , will not reply to my texts after approaching them in the Uni's pub and agreeing to go on a date...

If you are at a party, bar, pub, club or whatever, your goal should not be to get numbers - it should be to get laid. Getting numbers should be a last resort after you've already tried to get the girl home. If she can't come home with you, then get her number. How many girls have you invited home?

CaptainHenley said:
I dont get it to be honest. And the thing is, I am getting so many looks, girls eyeballing me and all...yet here I am , a kissless virgin, not being able to concetrate on my studies at all because of that part missing from my life..

If you get a lot of girls eyeballing you, it's a very good thing. There is interest. Now, you just need to get a bit physical with them. Get close and touch them and of course, invite them home for a "night cap, food, movies, or whatever".


ProblemSolving,

First and foremost, I truly have to thank you for your time.

Thing is, I messed up my approach in the first place. I didnt follow chase's advice, and kind of "cold approached" her even though we are classmates. Her friends adore me because they know me a bit more, but she doesnt.

I followed your advice. I went out. I got my confidence back. I made out with some girls, didnt escalate to sex though.

But the thing is, I really like this girl. She is the girl from "you are missing the coolest girls" article. She has the same style as me, same speech pattern, same walk, same expressions....its unbelievable.

I am not completely inexperienced, I can tell when a girl is a right match without being swayed by enthusiasm.

And I don't think about her all the time either, I do think about other girls, and actually make things happen after lifting myself up, following your advice.

Yet every time I see her in class, I think its truly truly such an awful shame. I bet if she knew me better, she would literally change her behavior completely. I have many girls being fascinated about me(90% is owed to girlschase).

I didnt plan on making this post at all, I would simply follow your advice and move from there. But I got 4 more years in the same class with this girl. Its not just a cold approach.

I need to truly know pal, is there anything I can do? I mean, I see a shit ton of inexperienced, uglier, with no game guys get girls....that kind of girls....are things so definite, so sure?

I am ambitious, I dress well, I have good body language, I would say at least average attractiveness, good voice....I just fail to communicate it all(thats where the girls eyeballing me but no results part comes in). I am confident, strong , have a mission.(I am not trying to brag here, in my mind I am the worst person ever for not achieving what I want, I just need to write this stuff down to make me realize that things are not that bad)


I simply cant let her go, I know there are going to be more women on my way, but this one is a true gem.

Its a true shame....girls whom are of no interest to (few of them very attractive)me liking me, yet the one I want flees away....
 

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CaptainHenley said:
ProblemSolving,

First and foremost, I truly have to thank you for your time.

No prob :)

CaptainHenley said:
I followed your advice. I went out. I got my confidence back. I made out with some girls, didnt escalate to sex though.

Good.

CaptainHenley said:
But the thing is, I really like this girl. She is the girl from "you are missing the coolest girls" article. She has the same style as me, same speech pattern, same walk, same expressions....its unbelievable.

Trust me, there are other girls out there that are just like her, but are actually interested and available. You just have to put in the leg work and get out of the house to find them.

CaptainHenley said:
But I got 4 more years in the same class with this girl. Its not just a cold approach.

Use that frustration you feel to motivate you to find other hotter girls. Train yourself to start taking action with other girls when you find yourself thinking about her - it's the quickest remedy.

A girl giving you her number does NOT mean she is interested or available. You've now learned that value lesson, so you won't go crazy chasing and investing emotionally into girls that you have 0% chance with. You really didn't mess anything up. You wouldn't have hooked up with this chick no matter what you did. You just took the number of an uninterested/unavailable girl, and did what most guys do when they get rejected - they chase.

What goes through my head when I invite a girl out whom I'm really excited about and she doesn't accept or try hard to reschedule, I think, "Memory deleted from hard drive. Finding new targets", Terminator style haha. If you ever find yourself thinking about her, that should be a warning bell for you to get out of the house and talk to more girls.

CaptainHenley said:
I am ambitious, I dress well, I have good body language, I would say at least average attractiveness, good voice....I just fail to communicate it all(thats where the girls eyeballing me but no results part comes in). I am confident, strong , have a mission.(I am not trying to brag here, in my mind I am the worst person ever for not achieving what I want, I just need to write this stuff down to make me realize that things are not that bad)

That's all well and good, but how many girls have you asked for their number? How many girls have you asked out? How many girls have you invited home? This stuff is a numbers game my man, you gotta take a lot of shots.

CaptainHenley said:
I simply cant let her go, I know there are going to be more women on my way, but this one is a true gem.

Use that frustration as fuel to drive you towards other girls. This one needs to be forgotten as soon as possible.
 
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