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Marty

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Before I get to MissMilf, In the interests of full disclosure, Gentle Phrases and Mr. Rob made a pact with me to admit to any "bailed out" approaches where hesitancy cost us the girl, to improve accountability. So here goes... in Forever 21 (thanks XC) I saw a very tall brunette of about 25 with an amazing figure Saturday, but couldn't get her attention easily as she was browsing clothing with her female friend... in retrospect I should have pulled her away by asking her to step to one side with me for a moment. And in TJ Maxx I missed the opportunity to open a cute blonde of around 20 by being too hesitant to engage her before she returned to shopping with her mom.

Now that's out of the way, I made up for it the same day—I opened a very nice-looking hired gun in the mall who told me she was 20 and of Native American descent (I'd never have guessed it: she looked extremely European). She had a boyfriend apparently (isn't that nice?), but 5 minutes later and not a hundred paces away I encountered a very suave lady of twice that age who really got my attention.

From behind I imagined it was a younger woman. Tall, a perfect slim figure verging on athletic, dressed stylishly in tight-fitting beige pants and high-heeled boots. Blond hair just off of the shoulder, sharply-defined features and penetrating dark eyes. She later told me she had taught at high school for 17 years and had begun her career directly in teaching; I imagine for high-school teaching you'd need an undergraduate degree plus say a year's postgraduate certification, so adding it all together she'd be pushing 40—almost exactly the same age as I am, in fact. Due to her chosen profession and her arresting ability to beat age with sex appeal, we'll call her MissMilf :)

Almost directly after I'd first spotted her from behind, she slipped into an expensive-looking boutique store and I walked on past. She didn't tarry there long, however—thirty seconds at most, such that when she emerged I had the opportunity to relish her physical delights from in front. Glad I did so, because she immediately darted into another similar store where she spent a little longer, perhaps four minutes.

The store was glass-fronted of course, and since it was women's clothing only, I didn't really want to follow her in, but I casually sauntered past the window and observed... her lovely, feminine, delicate left hand. A ring of some sort was there, but it wasn't a marriage ring, more some sort of encrusted variety—and anyway it was on the middle finger. So far so good.

I took a seat on a bench a little further on and loitered. I imagined she'd head my way as she exited, but when it happened she turned her delightful tight buttocks in my direction and headed back. I got up and chose a parallel course, weaving in among the stands operated by small sole traders, perhaps ten feet to her left and the same distance behind. Shortly, she stopped to observe a break-dancing demonstration. I went on and stood by a stand selling really rather cool hats. I tried a few on—a derby here, a fedora there—and looked in the mirror. MissMilf, clearly a lady of distracted nature, had lost interest in the demonstration too and was headed on a course to pass me in a few seconds.

I hastily replaced the hat, started off in the same direction as her but slowly, allowing her to catch up as I observed her in my peripheral vision. Then, as she drew level:

  • Marty: You have a remarkable figure.

    MissMilf: Thank you!

    Marty: What's your name?
She seemed a little taken aback that I wasn't just paying her what Zphix would term a "hit-and-run" compliment, but actually wanted to get to know her. She was at the mall waiting for her shoes to be repaired, explaining her distracted and restless manner. I got a lot out of her in the time it took for her to return to the cobbler's. She didn't live in the city, but in an affluent suburb. I inquired about the rewards of teaching talented children and the challenges of exerting authority over adolescents, and received interesting replies. She also expressed curiosity about me and where I was from, and whether I liked my adopted country. But the interesting thing about this interaction was that I asked for the date upfront, before learning any of this detail:

  • Marty: Shall we grab a coffee while you wait for your shoes?

    MissMilf: They're ready now.

    Marty: Well, perhaps after you pick them up...?

    MissMilf: I have other things to do. (Loving her sexy curtness and tone of disapproval. Think Julie Andrews.)

    Marty: Well, are you in town often?

    MissMilf: Not really...

    Marty: How about we get coffee next time you're in town?

    MissMilf: Certainly!
Well, that came out of nowhere :) This type of persistence is fun. I grabbed her number about halfway through the interaction, timing it nicely so that we had a little bit left to talk about before we reached the cobbler's store. She was quite sniffy about my asking her to punch it into my phone herself, but did it anyway ;) Compliance!

She gave me a distinct stare of disapproval mixed with intrigue as we parted. I'm thinking she has had a pretty rough journey with men: not only from her age and marital status but from her manner. I may be wrong.

Anyway, this was all at about 2:30 PM on a Saturday, so I called her next morning at around 11:30 AM. No answer and her voice mail was full, so immediately after the missed call I shot off a brief text message as an icebreaker.

She responded around 7:30 PM with a simple "Hey Marty." Nothing more.

We'll see where this one goes. Any tips for dealing with a slightly disapproving yet clearly also slightly interested lady, with a healthy skepticism toward males and a very stable professional life? :)

-Marty
 

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Marty said:
Marty: Shall we grab a coffee while you wait for your shoes?

MissMilf: They're ready now.

Marty: Well, perhaps after you pick them up...?

MissMilf: I have other things to do. (Loving her sexy curtness and tone of disapproval. Think Julie Andrews.)

Marty: Well, are you in town often?

MissMilf: Not really...

Marty: How about we get coffee next time you're in town?

MissMilf: Certainly!

These responses on her part are so straightforward and curt. Perhaps she's been dealing with this for the better part of her life ;-). I love your persistence, Marty. I counted three rejections before she said yes, so certainly it's some kind of test yes?

Marty said:
I'm thinking she has had a pretty rough journey with men: not only from her age and marital status but from her manner.

Probably more of a test for your strength than a rough journey, but what do I know?
My gut is that with a woman like this you probably want to be pretty straightforward and to the point, no games.
 

Marty

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Ozzo: thanks, I plan to be straight and direct as you suggest.

I think I'll contact her tomorrow night (Tue) to suggest a meetup later in the week. Do you think I should call, given existing precedent, or send a text message?

Thank you :)

-Marty
 

gijas04

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Marty said:


  • Marty: You have a remarkable figure.

    MissMilf: Thank you!

    Marty: What's your name?


I noticed that in your style of approach you always ask for the women's name first before giving yours. Do you find better results using this form of opener?

Marty said:
But the interesting thing about this interaction was that I asked for the date upfront, before learning any of this detail:

When did you ask for the date? I assume it was after she told you about picking up her shoes or was it before this? Personally, I'm trying to figure out when to ask for a date during my interactions.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Grand Pooba

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Marty said:
Ozzo: thanks, I plan to be straight and direct as you suggest.

I think I'll contact her tomorrow night (Tue) to suggest a meetup later in the week. Do you think I should call, given existing precedent, or send a text message?

Thank you :)

-Marty

Marty,

It's just a hunch...to be taken with a grain of salt ;-). I don't consider myself to be a point of authority how to handle it, but I feel like since she's straightforward and direct maybe you too should be. With this one calling is probably a good idea, but what if you scheduled it? Send her a text like "Thinking we could chat for a hot minute, when's a good time to call you?" with better phrasing?

I would like to hear someone else's opinion on that.
 

Marty

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Gijas:
gijas04 said:
I noticed that in your style of approach you always ask for the women's name first before giving yours. Do you find better results using this form of opener?
Personally, yes, but I'm sure it is a matter of individual style. I am not going to recommend it or give advice; my results don't merit that. The reasons I do this are that:

  • It gets her investing upfront
  • It screens out non-opening women (though I've only ever twice had a girl refuse to give her name, out of well over a hundred attempts)
  • It helps to make clear my intention to get to know her better—there'd be nothing worse than: "I'm Marty." "Yeah, so what?"
  • It maintains the focus on the girl. Who cares what my name is anyway? It's her I'm interested in.
People have different perspectives though. I raised this issue specifically a while ago on the forum, and it was commented upon by Franco as well as Chase Amante, no less :)

-Marty
 
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