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Skills

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I made a post on how to properly go into an ltr (though nobody really follows the advice a waste of my time)....Dating a guy like me is pretty much BRUTAL..... It is tough to be in a relationship with a dude that breath, eats and shit seduction.... My life is pretty much seduction, I go clubbing ALONE, minimum once a week and max 3 times a week, I am constantly bombarded by texts and calls from women, I am constantly making videos and post and interacting win forums/chat etc.... (though this has slow down in recent years) still, no progression, multiple women etc.... You guys get the picture, so back to the topic why is the hoc is one of my biggest epiphanies when it comes to screening, for many reasons based on multiple women that i have dated with hoc and no hoc, so let me tell you the difference IN MY EXPERIENCE:

- women with no hoc are no shady and barely if ever lie.
- With women with no hoc you don't have to worry about her going out, her traveling, you traveling...
- you can be more outcome independent with this women without being stress and worry...
-During the rough times and during autorejection and checking out stages you don't have to worry or be stress about her banging other dudes or messing with other dudes...
- During checking out, autorejection, break up they are not revengeful, spiteful etc....

I am not going to go over the hoc girls cause is just the opposite of what i wrote above....^

Now i am going to address all the constant objections that i have heard from people trying to debunk my theory:

- "Who cares about all that shit I just move on?" This sounds good in text and is right advice, but do you rather move on and deal with break up in a smooth, easy manner or in a more painful, hurtful manner.... Also, this are women you made main, or you fell in love with this are not fuck buddies.... My point is, it is way easier to move on from a smooth break up than from a painful break up specially when as you trying to move on you know she is fucking other dudes... In other words the move on stages is way easier when you don't have to deal with being cuck.

- "who cares i am poly?" what does this has to do with anything, when you are poly and she is your "main" you instinctively know that she is not going to exercise as a main the poly pass (which is true and i agree with this), but again do you rather a main that will just move on smoothly or one that will show or those negatives i mentioned previously.... There is a huge different with mains of no hoc and mains with hoc, huge.... I AM NOT TALKING FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS OF MULTIPLE LONG TERM RELATIONSHIPS.... I am talking open long term relationships, mains, girlfriends, wives. (women you love and are pair bonded with poly or not make no difference will hurt the fucking same)

- " I just care about how the girl treats me, i don't give a fuck about hoc".--- This is one of the dumbest objections i have ever heard, no shit! Being treated well is part of the fucking screening that is why she is main i hope, and has nothing to do with nothing... Hoc has nothing to do with how you being treated is an addition on how you been treated..... So again a girl that will treat you well (common fucking sense) and no hoc will be superior to girl that will treat you well and hoc...


- "i know a mormon that had a girl that was a mormon and had no hoc and did a 3 some with some couple".- I hope you already catch the issue is normie mormon, not a fucking seducer that went into a relationship I bet a million dollars in the way i posted in the link on how to enter into a proper relationship or give main status.... guarantee.... Most of the times is dudes that mention what they are looking for or bluff and the girl molds to his desires to get him and take him of the market.....Funnily enough more of the red pillers are the dumbest ones that fall into that trap.

-"I picked my girlfriend cause she was hot and then i realized she had no hoc after I bang her". So you cut corners, got lazy, did not screen and just got lucky... Good for you.... Has nothing to do with nothing.....


^ This is shit i keep hearing over and over from actual seducers just lol, again, guys this is not me kj this is actual experience of me dating long term girls with no hoc and hoc in all type of set ups..... Hopefully, some of you will actually listen to me and you will realize that is a HUGE PART of screening..... HUGE.... For me any other matrix is silly like "no tats" "meeting them in day game" "lay count" and the other none sense is silly.... No hoc is huge..... If not you guys can go ahead and ltr and hoc girls and a no hoc girls, be my guest and see the difference for yourself... but why?
 

Chase

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HOC = “History of Cheating” (I know it’s in the post title, but I can’t read apparently and thought this was about ad hoc something or other… then spent a minute trying to figure out what ‘hoc’ without the ‘ad’ meant…)

I have heard the “past doesn’t matter” thing from guys in seduction so many times too.

It generally seems to be one of a few things:

  1. The guy doesn’t actually have LTR experience and is purely speaking from FWB/mLTR experience. And if he has had mLTRs, his mains have always been well-behaved and he’s only dealt with really bad behavior from girls lower down on the ladder.

  2. The guy is wired in a way where he does not closely attach to other people (i.e., psychopath — not the psycho killer sort, just the sort that does not form deep emotional attachments or feel pain from others doing things to him). So women can just do whatever, and it doesn’t bother him, except inasmuch as it violates his self-selected moral code, whatever that may be.

  3. The guy is in girlfriend scarcity. Happens more often than you think in seduction… many guys are good at getting laid in general but getting actual quality girls and being able to hold onto them is rare for them. When they finally do get one who seemingly makes the cut, finding out she has some major flaw means they either need to keep looking, or they need to convince themselves that flaw is not really a flaw after all…

Ultimately, any kind of breach-of-trust behavior is a black mark on anyone’s scorecard. If a woman tells you she stole money from her parents, or that she lies to her boss about a health condition so she doesn’t have to come into the office as much, or she has cheated on an ex or two when the guy thought they were fully monogamous, all that stuff is sketch… and the worse the impact would be to the victim, the thicker a black mark it is.

Anyway, if someone tells me, “Hey Chase, here’s a smart & talented guy you can hire… he has a history of working with competitors behind your back and making up excuses for why his work wasn’t on time, but other than that he’s really amazing!” I am just going to keep looking… there are smart & talented amazing people out there who you won’t have to deal with this kind of aggravation from, and I’d have to be pretty naïve or pretty desperate to settle for one who’s going to cause me these headaches if I already know going in there’s a history of that.

Chase
 

DoWhatWorks

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Great post @Skills

What’s your opinion or experience on girls who have 0 monogamous relationship experience?

A few younger girls I’ve dated (18-23) haven’t been in LTRs.

I’ve treated them as girls I need to monitor/screen based on other behaviours

To be honest I saw it as an amber flag as I wonder why no guy before me has taken the risk lol… Girls often are sexually actively younger so by 18/20 would have had LTR opportunities.
 

Skills

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Great post @Skills

What’s your opinion or experience on girls who have 0 monogamous relationship experience?

A few younger girls I’ve dated (18-23) haven’t been in LTRs.

I’ve treated them as girls I need to monitor/screen based on other behaviours

To be honest I saw it as an amber flag as I wonder why no guy before me has taken the risk lol… Girls often are sexually actively younger so by 18/20 would have had LTR opportunities.
Yeah I agree with you kind of weird though, but doesn't surprise me with this gen. I guess you will need to update us on your findings...
 

TomInHo

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Great post @Skills

What’s your opinion or experience on girls who have 0 monogamous relationship experience?

A few younger girls I’ve dated (18-23) haven’t been in LTRs.

I’ve treated them as girls I need to monitor/screen based on other behaviours

To be honest I saw it as an amber flag as I wonder why no guy before me has taken the risk lol… Girls often are sexually actively younger so by 18/20 would have had LTR opportunities.

I’ve dated a handful of these girls. And my experience was they tend to be a bit more avoidant or very focused on projects like school and career

If we were to use the submissive to dominant spectrum I would say most of them are independent

They can be submissive/independent or dominant/independent

Also a few of them were players too. They like their freedom and just want a man around to meet their base needs. So don’t be surprised if she explores her options outside of you from time to time

Meaning that if you’re looking for cuddly relationships with a girls that dotes over you like crazy you’ll be disappointed

But…

I also have to note that because they are young their brains are not fully developed yet. Apparently that happens around the age of 23-25

Because one of the young girls I was dating when she got closer to 23 she all of sudden started talking about marriage and kids and that shit freaked me out

Anyways I think there’s no problem getting serious with girls like that but just keep your expectations in check
 
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DoWhatWorks

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Thanks gang

Independents (sub leaning) are my favourites so makes sense that I attract / run into them.

My experience dating them so far has been positive. As they don’t have LTR experience they’re super mouldable but sometimes need unwiring from MSM expectations of how things “should be” between you and her.

they tend to be a bit more avoidant or very focused on projects like school and career

Good spot.

Will keep having fun and report back if I find anything interesting x
 

Chase

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I’ve dated a handful of these girls. And my experience was they tend to be a bit more avoidant or very focused on projects like school and career

If we were to use the submissive to dominant spectrum I would say most of them are independent

They can be submissive/independent or dominant/independent

Also a few of them were players too. They like their freedom and just want a man around to meet their base needs. So don’t be surprised if she explores her options outside of you from time to time

Meaning that if you’re looking for cuddly relationships with a girls that dotes over you like crazy you’ll be disappointed

But…

I also have to note that because they are young their brains are not fully developed yet. Apparently that happens around the age of 23-25

Because one of the young girls I was dating when she got closer to 23 she all of sudden started talking about marriage and kids and that shit freaked me out

Anyways I think there’s no problem getting serious with girls like that but just keep your expectations in check

I had a girlfriend like this. Her only LTR experience prior to me was a guy she dated in college briefly for maybe half a year, then realized he was not ambitious enough for her and broke up. Had another guy she pursued for a year, only to break up within a month once she finally got him when she realized he did not meet her standards either.

Very independent girl, advanced education, good career, very focused on herself and her own stuff. Men not really a priority for her. Even in the relationship she would constantly be trying to decide if she should break up with me or not... I would just be like, "Do what you want; I'm fine either way," and she would decide that she should stay.

Have had other chicks like this I didn't date... one was in her mid-30s and had never had a relationship longer than 3 months. Complete nymphomaniac. Really fun in bed and just a super fun personality. We talked about her relationship history and guys would just constantly fall in love with her and try to get her to stay and that would make her want to run off. Same thing as what happened with the girl I had as an LTR... both her prior boyfriends fell for her hard, at which point she realized she just wanted to get out of there. What made her stick around with me was apparently that I didn't fall... no matter how many times she pulled the, "Okay, I think I'm leaving now" card I always just shrugged my shoulders or told her great, there's the door, and she'd stay. (then she'd get super turned on and all cuddly and ask me to never hurt her or leave her. And I would still just be like "Okay, whatever you say" because I knew sometime later she'd be doing the same "One foot out the door" shenanigans again. People are wild)

Chase
 
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