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RDawg

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Introduction

I have made an interesting observation lately and I want to continue studying this. Before, I share this observation, I think it's important to note that I recently turned 21 years old and I live in a smaller sized city (250,000) people roughly, where I do most of my gaming. I primarily focus on night game and I go out anywhere from 1-3 nights a week. With all that being said, here is my observation:

Over the course of 4 years, from when I first lost my virginity, I have slept with a total of 7 women. The first women being at the age of 17 when I was in highschool, the second when I was 19 and the last "5" have been since I started "studying" the material on this website, which is about less than a year ago. I have made some great strides recently and I have learned many new things from the website and personal experiences. This little observation/study that I have did and am doing is based on a sample of 6 girls. The last 6 I have slept (excluding the first one from highschool) with. Now I know this is a small sample, so it is somewhat limited at the moment but I am going to continue my little study well into the future.

Method

For my little study, I have a total of 6 women that I studied. Below I am going to list a number of variables including: my age at the time, the age of these women when I met them, the environment/place that I met them in, if it was a same night lay, if she had a boyfriend, if there were dates, if we made out in the in the environment, alcohol present or not, if it was a one night stand,the night that I met these women and if I experienced LMR. Due to some formatting issues the table turned out like this. Sorry if it is difficult to read.

Women |G|H |Environment|S|P|D|E|M|T|R|V|Q|
Girl #1: |19|21|Bar/Club(A)|Y|N|N|0|Y|Y|Y|W|N|
Girl #2: |20|23|Bar/Club(A)|N|N|*|1|Y|Y|X|W|N|
Girl #3: |20|21|Bar/Club(B)|N|Y|*|1|+|Y|Y|W|N|
Girl #4: |20|26|Bar/Club(C)|Y|N|N|0|Y|Y|Y|F|L|
Girl #5: |20|18|College Pa/|N|Z|*|2|+|Y|Y|F|M|
Girl #6: |21|21|Bar/Club(A)|-|N|*|1|N|Y|Y|W|M|

Legend
(G) represents my age at the time
(H) represents the age of the girl when I met her
(S) represents if it was a same night lay. The (-) represents oral sex
(P) represents if the girl had a boyfriend. (Z) represents she had boyfriend when I met her but didn't have a boyfriend when I slept with her.
(D) represents dates. The (*) represents that there was "Party dates" involved after meeting. E.g. Met up at a club/bar with friends or pre-drink together before party
(E) represents # of dates
(M) represents making out in the club/bar. The (+) represents we didn't make out the night we met, but we made out on our next date/meet up in the bar/club.
(T) represents if Alcohol was present or not
(R) represents one night stand. X represents she became a friends with benefits than girlfriend.
(V) represents the night we met. (W) represents Wednesday, (F) represents Friday
(Q) represents if there was last minute resistance. (L) represents low, (M) represents Medium
The letter next to Bar/Club represents if they were the same bar or not. So as you see I met 3 of these girls at the same bar/club.
(Y) represents yes (N) represents no


Findings
What I found here is that, there is a few correlations between these variables above. Firstly, the girl's age variable shows that 5 out of the six girls are either older than me or the same age. Also, five out of 6 women were the age 21 or above. Secondly, three of the six girls I met at the sane venue, where I was able to take 2 of them home in same night for a sexual encounter. Thirdly, I was able to take 3 of the 6 girls home within the same night of meeting them. Fourthly, the boyfriend variable shows that 2 of the girls I met had boyfriends when I slept with them or met them. In addition, 2 of the 6 girls I never went on a date with, I met them that night and slept with them. However, 4 of the 6 girls I met at a bar/club I ended up going on a "party date" with them to a bar/club/pregame. Furthermore, the girls that I did go on on dates with, only 3 of them took one date to sleep with, while one of them took 2 dates. Additionally, all of these women that I slept with, I made out with them at the bar/club except 1. 3 of them I made out with upon meeting, while 2 of them I made out with on the date. All of the make outs were in the bar/club venue. Moreover, alcohol was consumed by both parties in all of the interactions/meetings and dates. Furthermore, out of the 6 girls, 5 of them were a one night stand one of them ended becoming a friends with benefits and girlfriend. Lastly, 4 of the 6 meetings were during the week on Wednesday night, while the other 2 meetings occurred on a Friday night. Lastly, I experienced last minute resistance from 3 of these girls. 1 of them was very easy to over come. While the other 2 that I received resistance from, where on there period(that was the reason for resistance).

Discussion
Therefore, there seems to be a common pattern between a girl's age and my age. I noticed that the majority of girls that I slept with are either my age or older. Not sure what the reasons for this but it could potentially be my fundamentals and the way I look (Giving off a more masculine/older vibe). Also, from these results I found that older women over the age of 21 tend to be more willing to engage in quick sexual encounters, especially from meeting them within the same night. In addition, I met three of these girls at the same bar/club. The bar/club (A) that I went to catered to a younger and older crowd (ages 19-30). In addition, the night that I met 4 of these women were on a weekday at a bar/club. I believe that women that go out on weekdays are a lot more "desperate" or are looking for some quick "fun". This makes pick up much easier as opposed to a weekend such as a Saturday. Most of my gaming occurs on a Saturday night but I have yet to pick up on this night. Not sure the reason behind this but maybe because I am not going to the right venues, or it's hard to pinpoint girls that are interested and not looking for attention. Also, I found that 2 of these girls had boyfriends and yet, they were still willing to engage in some form of sexual encounter/flirtation. I think when a girl does have a boyfriend, you must play it "cool" and try to be the guy that no one knows about. You don't want to be the guy who knows everyone especially her boyfriend or boyfriends friends. This could potentially ruin your chances of ever hooking up with a girl that has a boyfriend. In terms of dates, the dates that I went on were all party dates and moving quickly was essential here. I find that upon meeting a girl at bar/club environment, you can sleep with her very quickly and you usually don't need more than one date. With the young 18 year old girl, it took me 2 dates but she was quite a handful at times. I can say that I might of messed up a bit by not sleeping with her the first night, even though I had the chance. I didn't because she was on her period. I have never had sex with a girl on her period but if I did here, it would of made things a lot easier probably. Furthermore, I made out with all of these girls except one at the bar. I find making out with girls at bars/clubs is good, as long as you move very quick. If you make out with a girl, you better be ready to bring her home very soon. Making out with a girl and taking things slow can ruin the sexual tension and it could potentially put you into the category of the "make out guy". Also, making out with a girl at bar/club can ruin your chances with other women in that environment if they see you making out. However, I do believe that you don't need to make out with girls at bar/clubs to bring the home but if you do then you know your in as long as you move quick and are persistent. The most recent girl, I didn't make out and I went home with her, so this shows making out with a girl at a bar/club has it's pros and cons. Moreover, alcohol was consumed in all of these situations and I believe that alcohol can be a secret weapon when it comes to seduction. Alcohol can sometimes help you push barriers that you might be able to overcome. Usually, when girls get a little tipsy at a bar/club, they are more confident, loose and horny. Therefore, alcohol will make women more likely to feel sexual emotions and her logical brain will think less. This could potentially increase your chances with sleeping with a women, rather quickly. However, it's important to be very careful when using alcohol. Alcohol can sometimes ruin your chances with a girl, especially if you get too drunk or shes get's to drunk. In addition, the sex typically isn't as good as if you were completely sober. So that is one thing to consider when using alcohol. Also, 5 of these 6 girls all turned out to be one night stands. I could of continued with a few of them but it wasn't my interest to continue sleeping with these women. I only continued to sleep with one and that was girl #2 who ended up becoming a friends with benefits and girlfriend. This shows you can meet and find girls who can become one night stands, friends with benefits or girlfriends(not something I would suggest). Bars/clubs are good for finding quick lays, or a friends with benefits in my opinion (very rare do u find girlfriend material at these places). Additionally, last minute resistance seems to come into play once in a while but it can be easily overcome, especially if she is not on her period. If she is on her period, than you have to be willing to sleep with her still and make her comfortable. Lastly, there seems to be a positive correlation between moving quick and picking up women in bars/clubs at "Chase" advocates. The quicker you "move", the more women you will pick up.

Limitations
This study that I conducted above has a few limitations. Firstly, the sample size is quite small and it doesn't severe as a good representation for the population. Secondly, the study is limited to one city and that is a smaller city of a population of 250,000. A bigger city might yield different results then a smaller city, so I don't think this would be good to generalize to a larger city. Thirdly, another limitation in this study is that the women that I slept with here are not of the "highest" quality. That's not to say that these women are not attractive. All of these women are attractive but they are not your "9's" or "10's". Lastly, this is little observation is based on my personal self and it can be limited in how it applies to others. However, I do think there is a commonality that can be generalized to other people.

Future Studies
I plan on continuing this observation and expand on these results to make a more accurate observation that I can apply to the real-world. I think if I can get to a sample of 15-25 girls, than this will give me an improved understanding of how pick up potentially works during night game.
 

Chase

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RDawg-

Good that you're tracking various statistics and keeping note of them.

A few comments on some of your observations:

RDawg said:
Firstly, the girl's age variable shows that 5 out of the six girls are either older than me or the same age. Also, five out of 6 women were the age 21 or above.

It's been my experience, and I've seen it with lots of other guys, that younger women (under 21) get much easier to pick up and sleep with once you're over age 27 or 28 or so than when you're under it. I'm still not entirely sure if it's just that mature game works better with them, or if it's an age thing; I've seen young guys with really solid game who struggle with women under 22 or 23 years of age or so, but still hard to say if it's age or game; it might just be that "young guy game" is more energetic and that's less attractive to younger women.

My general explanation on this is that younger women are just less experienced and more cagey. Less experienced girls tend to be much harder than more experienced girls as you get less experienced yourself, but the more experienced you get, the easier less experienced women than you become (since you've seen all their methods of resisting or deflecting you a hundred times and know exactly how to work around them), while women more experienced than you remain at the same level... so less experienced women eventually end up becoming easier than more experienced women, flip-flopping in ease from where they were when you were younger and greener.

That said, I'm not certain that totally explains all the younger guy / older gal and older guy / younger gal attractions that seem to take place.

It might also be a dispositional thing; women under 21, since they're perpetually in school, are more programmed to look for "authority figures", which it's hard for them to see you as when you're closer to them in age. I've noticed that young women who don't go to college (say, a 20-year-old who's been out of school for 2 years) function a lot more like older women than they do most women their age, so school environments where they're used to seeing men their age as peers and not as authorities might be another part of the answer.

Once a woman's out in the real world, it's much more ambiguous to her which men are likely to be authorities or not, so they look for more nuanced signals than a guy's age or school social status, etc.

I don't have any really objective data on any of these though so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. But if you want some theories to chew on, there are some to work with.

RDawg said:
Secondly, three of the six girls I met at the sane venue, where I was able to take 2 of them home in same night for a sexual encounter.

This is the "lucky venue" thing; if you do enough exploring, you will often be able to find 1 or 2 venues in a given town where you have a much easier time picking up than other places. It might be that the place is just a meet market, or it might be that the music and crowd and ambiance there is just really well suited to your vibe.

Either way, it's worthwhile hitting this place up a lot more often just because it gives you better odds and lets you get further along in your interactions, which is quite good for learning.

Chase
 
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RDawg

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Chase said:
It's been my experience, and I've seen it with lots of other guys, that younger women (under 21) get much easier to pick up and sleep with once you're over age 27 or 28 or so than when you're under it. I'm still not entirely sure if it's just that mature game works better with them, or if it's an age thing; I've seen young guys with really solid game who struggle with women under 22 or 23 years of age or so, but still hard to say if it's age or game; it might just be that "young guy game" is more energetic and that's less attractive to younger women.

My general explanation on this is that younger women are just less experienced and more cagey. Less experienced girls tend to be much harder than more experienced girls as you get less experienced yourself, but the more experienced you get, the easier less experienced women than you become (since you've seen all their methods of resisting or deflecting you a hundred times and know exactly how to work around them), while women more experienced than you remain at the same level... so less experienced women eventually end up becoming easier than more experienced women, flip-flopping in ease from where they were when you were younger and greener.

That said, I'm not certain that totally explains all the younger guy / older gal and older guy / younger gal attractions that seem to take place.

It might also be a dispositional thing; women under 21, since they're perpetually in school, are more programmed to look for "authority figures", which it's hard for them to see you as when you're closer to them in age. I've noticed that young women who don't go to college (say, a 20-year-old who's been out of school for 2 years) function a lot more like older women than they do most women their age, so school environments where they're used to seeing men their age as peers and not as authorities might be another part of the answer.

Once a woman's out in the real world, it's much more ambiguous to her which men are likely to be authorities or not, so they look for more nuanced signals than a guy's age or school social status, etc.

I don't have any really objective data on any of these though so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass. But if you want some theories to chew on, there are some to work with.

Chase

Very interesting, Chase! I basically run a more mature style myself and I don't game younger girls much, since I find more success with older women. However, I did sleep with another 18 year old last week. (I did write a lay report up on it (THE AFTER PARTY)). Anyways, one of the younger girls I slept with is actually from out of town and is living with roommates from school. So I would say this puts her out more in the real-world and things are much more ambiguous to her, since she's basically on her own without her parents. I do find that girls that live on school campus, as opposed to living in the "city" with parents are easier to hook up with. I think that has to do with the whole living in the real-world, freedom and being on your own type thing.

Also, I agree with you, I think that "high" energetic game doesn't work for younger women. I really think that "mature" style does work, as long as the proper "fundamentals" are in place. Still, this is something that I think is worth more of a look into.

Lastly, I guess I have found my "lucky venue" ;). Put it this way, the "venue" is a country club/bar. I hate country but the place is a meet market. The place is loaded with girls. I don't know what it is about girls and country music lol?
 
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