No More "Latest MSM Crisis" (Killer Bees Stories) Threads Please

[Chase]

Public service announcement, fellas.

We just had a thread over in Off Topic talking about mass shooters, the latest MSM killer bees story. I took this thread down.

For the record, between 1982 and 2022, 23 people died per year in the US from mass shootings. Over the same time period, 43 people died per year in the US from lightning strikes. You are 2x as likely to die by lightning than you are by a mass shooter. I discussed the phenomenon more (as well as my belief about the root cause of mass shootings) in a comment on Girls Chase. No need to discuss it more here.

The mainstream media lives and breathes "hype it up" sensationalism. Whether that is done for eyeballs and ad money or for more nefarious purposes doesn't much matter. The point is the mainstream media is manipulating you.

Here is how the MSM operates in current year:

1. A narrative is decided upon that is designed to create feelings of extreme fear and/or injustice in the viewing audience
   
   
2. That narrative is discussed and planned weeks in advance on journalist chat boards, and probably before that among executives / intelligence agencies
   
   
3. Narratives largely alternate back and forth between fear and injustice narratives: we had police shootings (injustice), then coronavirus (fear), then Ukraine war (injustice), now mass shootings (fear). You can bet whatever comes after mass shootings will be something about injustice. It will then be followed by a fear narrative
   
   
4. Every time one of these narratives hits, it drives large swaths of the populace into a frenzy, including people who participate here. They then come on here and post a bunch of emotional things about it, dividing the forum, getting everyone upset with each other. Whether chaos & division is actually the point of the MSM fear/injustice cycle, or merely a side effect, you can decide for yourself. But I do not want it polluting this forum and turning people here against each other.

So here's the deal:

The next time the MSM is going absolutely berserk, pushing some story that pushes your fear or injustice buttons:

• Stop
• Take a breather
• Go make a post about it on social media if you really need to talk about it. Or call your friend to rant
• Do not post about MSM psychodrama on here

This is a seduction forum.

It is not a forum for the discussion of all the ills of Planet Earth.

Especially not whichever ills the mainstream media companies are telling you to focus on right now.

Please keep MSM narratives off the forum. They are divisive (arguably by design) and we don't need 'em here.

Chase

(the killer bees reference is in reference to the first MSM psychodrama I remember being exposed to, in 1997. Y2K followed it not long after that)

 

[Skjöldr]

Perfect.

 

[Terms]

Over the same time period, 43 people died per year in the US from lightning strikes. You are 2x as likely to die by lightning than you are by a mass shooter.

If this is out of line please delete and I'll drop it, but you linked to here and there's a major rub worth addressing IMO.

Curious where you draw the line for media sensationalism vs humanity's millenias-long struggle to mitigate as much risk of harm and death as possible? Which has afforded us the very safe, long, and healthy lives we now get to lead in this era compared to any point in the past. This "its all killer bees" seems like an easy way to write things off. Some discernment is required, no?

Take your example here. We do everything we possibly can to reduce thunderstorm related death and injury. Warnings with disruptive tones flash across across TV screens often hours in advance, phones get hit with Amber alert type warnings, pools shut down, sporting events shut down pro and youth, lakes close down, beaches close down, amusement parks pause rides, boaters are advised to seek cover, outdoor events get postponed, lighting rods are installed on buildings, surge protectors advised as standard for business and residency, people stop using electrical equipment, construction work is paused, water is avoided, washing dishes is avoided, corded phones avoided, bicycles and motorcycles are avoided, etc.

This is a solid example of taking every step possible to prevent the unnecessary no matter how small the risk. Commercial plane regulations are another example of huge steps taken to prevent very rare occurrences that only affect a very few.

Basically when dealing with a power beyond the human ability to combat in the moment that can wipe many people out at once, we generally take strong protective measure to get as close to full prevention as possible.

The uptick in mass shootings seem to fit in this category much more than written away as another media scare, no?

 

[Bismarck]

I see no point in getting into the nitty-gritty here, in fact doing so can be interpreted as trolling @Terms.

This forum is not a political whining crybaby platform for guys to wail about how hard they have it (cue in whatever "horrible disaster" completely outside of your control is causing this helplessness). I believe this is what Chase is alluding to with this very apposite warning thread.

The sort of hindbrain hijack-activating emotional spikes that folks (folks who aren't getting laid, much less interacting with gorgeous gals) get from reading something somewhere on the increasingly polarized and toxic political spectrum of this day and age are to be kept out of SS. We're looking to achieve an altogether different sort of pleasure around here.

Please don't argue, as that will simply force us to take supplementary measures.

 

[Will_V]

If this is out of line please delete and I'll drop it, but you linked to here and there's a major rub worth addressing IMO.

Curious where you draw the line for media sensationalism vs humanity's millenias-long struggle to mitigate as much risk of harm and death as possible? Which has afforded us the very safe, long, and healthy lives we now get to lead in this era compared to any point in the past. This "its all killer bees" seems like an easy way to write things off. Some discernment is required, no?

Take your example here. We do everything we possibly can to reduce thunderstorm related death and injury. Warnings with disruptive tones flash across across TV screens often hours in advance, phones get hit with Amber alert type warnings, pools shut down, sporting events shut down pro and youth, lakes close down, beaches close down, amusement parks pause rides, boaters are advised to seek cover, outdoor events get postponed, lighting rods are installed on buildings, surge protectors advised as standard for business and residency, people stop using electrical equipment, construction work is paused, water is avoided, washing dishes is avoided, corded phones avoided, bicycles and motorcycles are avoided, etc.

This is a solid example of taking every step possible to prevent the unnecessary no matter how small the risk. Commercial plane regulations are another example of huge steps taken to prevent very rare occurrences that only affect a very few.

Basically when dealing with a power beyond the human ability to combat in the moment that can wipe many people out at once, we generally take strong protective measure to get as close to full prevention as possible.

The uptick in mass shootings seem to fit in this category much more than written away as another media scare, no?

I'll just add to what @Bismarck and @Chase have said, the forum is not a generic dumping ground for angst and worry. Life is risky, it's always been that way and always will be. Those who worry about it too much will die the proverbial thousand coward's deaths, rather than accepting the single fate (and all the intervening pleasure and satisfaction) of the hero.

This forum is about seduction. Problems with seduction are almost always related to a general failure of masculinity - a failure to perform in life, a failure to accept risk and hardship, a failure to cultivate and elevate ambition and desire in one's character and everyday life, and ultimately a failure of self expression.

That's why this forum will always attract expressions of male angst and worry, because deep down guys know that it is all linked together. That's fine if someone can be led by the group to a path of success, through learning, understanding, and applying techniques in the field. But if someone merely wants to sit there in their mom's basement venting onto the forum and trying to force everyone to agree with their emotional rollercoasters (which incidentally is female behavior) then this is not the place for them. This is a place for men who want to accept the battleground of life and apply themselves to the conquest of women.

Everyone will die one day, and the last question on your mind as your fate carries you away is not going to be how many precautions you took but how many opportunities you seized and found satisfaction in.

 

[Chase]

@Terms,

When the amount of media coverage is dramatically out of proportion to the actual threat level, then yes, it is a killer bees story.

Here’s what proportionate coverage would look like:

• For every 1 minute of MSM time devoted to mass shootings, we should devote
• 31 hours and 6 minutes talking about car accidents

Because that is the difference between annual mass shooting deaths vs. annual car accident deaths.

If you think we are doing everything we can to prevent car accident deaths, it’s not even close. If you think the MSM devoting 24 hours a day to non-stop “car accidents are a major problem. Here’s how to prevent them” coverage would not reduce car accident deaths, it would.

Imagine how many of the 42,915 car accident deaths that occurred in the US last year could’ve been prevented if the MSM went nuts talking about car accident deaths as a huge catastrophe. I bet at least 500 of those would’ve been avoided. I bet 1,000 or more, really. If everyone is thinking “car accident deaths. Wow, driving is so dangerous” as they drive around everywhere, they are all going to drive a lot safer.

Saving 1,000 deaths from car accidents is 43x more than the savings we’d get if we completely eliminated mass shootings entirely. Over the long term, we’d save even more, as public sentiment shifted in favor of finding increasing amounts of ways to make driving safer.

But the MSM doesn’t do that because car accidents aren’t sexy.

They don’t have an evil villain you can point to:

• “mass shooter”
• “exotic virus”
• “fearsome animal”
• “foreign bad guy”
• etc.

There’s nothing unknown about car accidents.

The mass shooter is UNKNOWN… why does he do it? What are his motivations? We simply cannot understand.

The exotic virus is unknown… “Africanized honeybees” — that’s unknown… foreign bad guy… he’s far away and he doesn’t share our values and is not who we are! He’s unknown…

“The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.” — H. P. Lovecraft​

The MSM hijacks the brain with sensational stories about scary unknowns, while completely ignoring far more common dangers that people would benefit far more from being continually reminded about.

It is not a helpful service, these media narratives. People get drawn into them and think they are fighting the good fight — but really they are just serving as unpaid barkers for the MSM’s latest attention-grabber.

Yes… this is “just another media scare.”

Chase

 

[Terms]

Thanks for the insights and clarifications everyone.

I guess what rubbed me is writing off the "Roe" issue by pointing to this thread, which seems to state that anything covered by the MSM can be written off as a scare tactic, seemingly without much thought, and thus isn't welcome for discussion. To me, this sits about the same as buying into everything the MSM covers without much thought.

As a red state resident, the Roe issue is something that can and will directly impact me and my friends and family. And, should just a few more well primed dominos tip, things can get a lot worse for guys who like to fuck girls (and guys, though that's not me) outside of monogamous marriage in much of the US. Not at the inconvenient social level we've seen the last decade, but at the "rights being legally stripped and enforced" level we haven't seen in many many decades. So while I get the "adapt and set yourself up as best as possible" side of things at the individual level, I also think every progress ever made in the history of life on earth came from discontent and people pushing on the existing system to better things for themselves.

If the rule here is a strict "no politics" I totally get it, but this post contained a lot more than that and was given as the reference in the Roe thread. So if its "don't talk Roe and contraception banning etc because no politics here" I fully respect that. But if its "don't talk Roe and contraception banning etc because everything the MSM covers is about manipulating you" I don't think that's always going to be the case, and seems a logically fallacious way to shut down a discussion, that lacks discernment.

Anyway, I've been lurking a while and I get that I'm new to a tight knit community, I don't want to stir the pot. Seems a lot of society/politics stuff gets talked about here so wasn't sure where the line is drawn. Appreciate the replies!

 

[Skills]

Thanks for the insights and clarifications everyone.

I guess what rubbed me is writing off the "Roe" issue by pointing to this thread, which seems to state that anything covered by the MSM can be written off as a scare tactic, seemingly without much thought, and thus isn't welcome for discussion. To me, this sits about the same as buying into everything the MSM covers without much thought.

As a red state resident, the Roe issue is something that can and will directly impact me and my friends and family. And, should just a few more well primed dominos tip, things can get a lot worse for guys who like to fuck girls (and guys, though that's not me) outside of monogamous marriage in much of the US. Not at the inconvenient social level we've seen the last decade, but at the "rights being legally stripped and enforced" level we haven't seen in many many decades. So while I get the "adapt and set yourself up as best as possible" side of things at the individual level, I also think every progress ever made in the history of life on earth came from discontent and people pushing on the existing system to better things for themselves.

If the rule here is a strict "no politics" I totally get it, but this post contained a lot more than that and was given as the reference in the Roe thread. So if its "don't talk Roe and contraception banning etc because no politics here" I fully respect that. But if its "don't talk Roe and contraception banning etc because everything the MSM covers is about manipulating you" I don't think that's always going to be the case, and seems a logically fallacious way to shut down a discussion, that lacks discernment.

Anyway, I've been lurking a while and I get that I'm new to a tight knit community, I don't want to stir the pot. Seems a lot of society/politics stuff gets talked about here so wasn't sure where the line is drawn. Appreciate the replies!

^ you are actually right, and i agree with this, this one is a problem with context, the thing is this should have been your original "phrasing" the way you phrase it in the other posts, came across as too political and went off topic and a bit of derail, if you would have said something like this without going too much into politics it would have been good (though i understood your point)... Cause yea this issue does directly is related and affect seduction and the secret society, we can all agree to disagree on this one.... The reason they banned the politics is they were getting in silly tirades on things that had nothing to do with seduction and on and on, the thing is people get caught up in the "political" side in the past vs "seduction type side" and tons of derailing etc...which is the reason for the rule....