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Thinkingenigma

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There's a girl (we'll call her Heather) that I work with who I've posted about before. She and I had flirted with each other, but she kept talking about her boyfriend, which was really throwing me off. Anyways, she texted me on Wednesday to let me know that she was now single (quite excitedly, I might add). I took that as prompting, and asked her out. She said yes.

Skip forward to Friday evening. We started at my dorm room (All my roommates are gone until the end of the month!) where I fixed stuffed clams for dinner. She was quite impressed, and commented on that several times. While eating, we watched some stand up comedy on youtube. From there, we walked over to the student commons to watch Spider-Man (this was an event put on by Res Life). At this point, I made a mistake by breaking circle to talk to a few of my friends who had left last year, but had come back for the weekend. About halfway through the movie, Heather and I left and went to Starbucks. For some reason, she insisted on taking her car (not really sure why, and I'm not really sure that it is relevant either, but I figure I'd mention it anyways). After we grabbed drinks, we went back to my room where we watched "Tucker & Dale Vs Evil" (She said she liked horror and comedy movies, so I figured this was a solid choice. Boy, was I wrong). Worst. Date. Movie. Ever. We started cuddling, but every time I would start to escalate, it was only a matter of time before a certain douchebag character in the movie (who ends up being the bad guy) would start acting creepy towards one of the female characters. Of course, that wasn't very conducive to physical escalation, so that part didn't work too well. This is where she started to get a bit cold (not too much, but more than before). In the end, I wasn't able to get a kiss (which has never happened when I watch movies or TV with girls in private), and she ended up having to go home around 11:00 because of her dad's curfew (which was at 10:00). She mentioned the curfew a few times once 10:00 hit, but she didn't make any motion to start moving, so I just ignored it. Eventually, she did leave. I walked her out to her car, where she mentioned that she had a good time and wanted to do it again some time.

The next day, I was helping a friend with a photoshoot, when she texted me and asked me what I was up to (she has been texting me a lot. I don't think I've ever initiated contact). When I told her what I was doing, she said that if I ever needed a model for a shoot, that she was more than willing to help. Because I needed a model for an assignment (and it just so happens that she was exactly what I needed for the shoot), I took her up on her offer. When she showed up at the studio, she was dressed to the nines. We shot for nearly an hour and ended up getting some great shots. Once we finished there, she came to the lab and watched me edit the photos, then she had to go to work. She's been texting me since then, and it looks like I'll be able to get another date rather easily.

So far, so good. The only setback I've had is my failure to escalate properly, which I hope to correct next time. She's also the most feisty girl I've ever gone out with, which has proved a challenge. She's got a quick wit, and she is so high energy that she makes me look lethargic in comparison (which is saying a lot). She's also very confident, and used to getting her way, all of which has made it very difficult to remain in charge of the interactions. I've countered this by acting in the opposite way as I normally do. Typically, I'll come in with a lot of energy which will disorient a girl just enough to where I can easily guide the interaction. With Heather, it is almost impossible to do that, so I'm basically playing the part of the (relatively) low-key guy, just staying super relaxed and calm, and letting her do most of the talking while I guide the interaction through suggestion. This is a very different dynamic than I'm used to, but it seems to be working. She's still interested as far as I can tell, but I need to seal the deal.

My one question for you guys is what is the best way to begin the escalation once you are alone? I have typically used movie watching as the catalyst (with great results), but I don't know that it is working well with this girl. Perhaps it would work better with a different movie, but I don't want to have to use movies as a crutch. I would like to learn how to escalate from a simple convo up to kissing, then sex. Once I can get the kiss, I'm in, but in the past, external factors have kept me from going all the way.
 

Zen

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Hey there Thinkingenigma. First off good job with attracting her in the first place, i take the text telling you she's single as a signal she's interested. Biggest thing i got from your interaction is the failed escalation window hit when you were having dinner at your dorm room. You had the perfect logistics to escalate the situation but for reasons you didn't, thus your realization that you could've moved faster. To be honest, she was probably thinking of sex prior to meeting you up but was disappointed that you broke circle by taking her to the movies, starbucks etc. My suggestion is to invite her over for dinner soon again but perhaps later in the night to diffuse her worry that you'll break circle like last time, and close the deal then. As for how to physically escalate, the most important thing is proximity.I'm sure you have a couch in your room; sit down, grab a drink, put on a movie or whatever -> sole intention is for you to get closer to her so that you can make your move smoothly. Once you have proximity, what i like to do is increase sexual tension with lowered eyelids, strong eye-contact, purring voice and generally slow down my movements with a devilish grin. Then pick up her chin and the rest is history.

You miss 100% shots you don't take!

-Zen
 
you miss 100% of the shots you don't take

Chase

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TE,

Agree with Zen here. Especially this:

Zen said:
To be honest, she was probably thinking of sex prior to meeting you up but was disappointed that you broke circle by taking her to the movies, starbucks etc.

My thoughts exactly when I read this.

You've expressed some beliefs that the girls at your school are very conservative and not sleeping with guys. And I think you said you haven't started sleeping with women yourself yet, too. People tend to project their own experiences a bit too much on others... I know before I was sleeping with girls, I sort of thought every girl out there was a chaste virgin. As soon as I was sexual though, I started realizing I was very wrong about the women around me's "purity."

My gut is, you may be thinking women are a lot less interested in sex with you than they actually are, and you're probably missing some great escalation windows. The girl in your bed sounds like a lay-up that simply didn't happen.

If you're having trouble escalating, try this: as soon as you hop in bed with a girl, turn to her RIGHT AWAY and give her a little kiss on the cheek. Then, act like nothing happened, and throw the movie on. Pull her in and snuggle up to her. A minute or two later, give her another little kiss on the cheek. Then, a shorter amount of time after that, pull her in and start kissing her cheek more passionately... then the side of her face... her neck... her mouth. Don't stay kissing her mouth too long - move to other parts of her body, and start running your hands up and down her to get her comfortable with you touching her everywhere.

Then, go from there.

Chase
 

Thinkingenigma

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Chase said:
TE,

Agree with Zen here. Especially this:

Zen said:
To be honest, she was probably thinking of sex prior to meeting you up but was disappointed that you broke circle by taking her to the movies, starbucks etc.

My thoughts exactly when I read this.

You've expressed some beliefs that the girls at your school are very conservative and not sleeping with guys. And I think you said you haven't started sleeping with women yourself yet, too. People tend to project their own experiences a bit too much on others... I know before I was sleeping with girls, I sort of thought every girl out there was a chaste virgin. As soon as I was sexual though, I started realizing I was very wrong about the women around me's "purity."

My gut is, you may be thinking women are a lot less interested in sex with you than they actually are, and you're probably missing some great escalation windows. The girl in your bed sounds like a lay-up that simply didn't happen.

If you're having trouble escalating, try this: as soon as you hop in bed with a girl, turn to her RIGHT AWAY and give her a little kiss on the cheek. Then, act like nothing happened, and throw the movie on. Pull her in and snuggle up to her. A minute or two later, give her another little kiss on the cheek. Then, a shorter amount of time after that, pull her in and start kissing her cheek more passionately... then the side of her face... her neck... her mouth. Don't stay kissing her mouth too long - move to other parts of her body, and start running your hands up and down her to get her comfortable with you touching her everywhere.

Then, go from there.

Chase

Thanks for the advice guys! I'll definitely try that next time.
 
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