Number game, abundance mentality

[Mali]

Hi guys, I read somewhere that seduction is really a number game. Out of 100 women that you ask out, about 10 will show up on a “date”, or whatever you are planning to do. Out of these 10, about 3-5 will sleep with you. Is this your experience?

I think it is given that I’m talking about 100 women that show some initial reasonable interest, smile, talk to you, have decent body language. There are many women that don’t want to be approached, looking away, poor body language, cold, you just know it’s a waste of time, so I don’t count these.
I’m thinking these 100 may include interactions from app like tinder, match or whatever you are using.

To approach or contact 100 women is basically abundance mentality, you are not focused on one women only.

I’m also assuming that you already have some ‘average experience’ with women, you are not totally new, maybe you’ve already talked to many women, dated some and banged some, or been in LTR.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

@Mali dude! It's not so much of a numbers game as it is an experience game, the more experience you gain the better you can become. Practice is only as good as what you practice, if you're practicing the wrong thing you're wasting your time.

The main thing is to get over any approach anxiety you have and then to progress from there. The more you approach and put yourself out there you'll learn the social skills needed, you'll learn to calibrate, you'll gain reference points of things that went well and went horrible that you can learn from in your next seduction and you'll understand girls better.

Eventually this experience coupled with knowledge will get you better results. This is how naturals are natural, they've either learned from their mistakes or had a lot of the tools hardwired into them, each natural and each seducer will take their own path, some progressing faster than others for various reasons.

Calling it a numbers game is selling it short, there's much more to it than talking to enough girls though this does work, it's how normal, average and clueless guys get girls, you can get lucky. All of this stuff is irrelevant if you're happy to wait to get lucky but if you want to know what you're doing and get good so you can replicate your successes then this is where to be.

Your numbers will improve when you learn to screen for receptive girls, they'll improve by improving your fundamentals, they'll improve with experience, enough successful experience breeds confidence, which is very attractive to girls.

For the technical aspects of your question, each type of game (day, night, apps) come with their own unique variables, then you've got cross gaming. You're not going to get a definitive answer, the best response I can give you for this is see what works for you, go and talk to 100 girls and see what your close rate is. You can ask for advice and feedback and see how you improve. Read dudes journals and reports, this will show you what they experience in the field, or go into the field and see first hand

 

[Skills]

the numbers are part of pick up, but if you just spam approach with no skills and you happen to get laid, is like throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks, is ok to do this in the first month to get rid of approach anxiety.... But pick up is first and for most a skill set and the numbers are part of it for obvious reasons:

Debunking The Numbers Game Myth - The Skills Method

Pick up is not just a numbers game, the numbers play an important part in pick up, but pick up is both a numbers game and a skill. With enough experience you get to the point were you do not have to rely in the numbers.

www.theskillsmethod.com

- abudance mentality means not to get onitis and get stuck in one girls, or get overly desperate and needy but put your best effort forwards and if she does not bite or is not available move on, vs getting depress and but hurt and without compromising your dignity...

 

[Derek da man]

As with most things you can break it down in to numbers and then analyse the statistic's in much the same way you do in pretty much any kind of performance - finance, sport, work, etc. But it's not a numbers game based on chance like flipping a coin or drawing random cards from a deck.

You can improve your outcomes by improving your game. In much the same way you can improve your score when bowling or success rate taking a penalty you can improve your outcome with women by improving your skills and game plan.

1. Fixing your fundamentals increases your success in opening.
2. Having a variety of openers that can be modified to the environment you are in taking account of context and how she responds allows you to progress the interaction.
3. Setting frames whilst generating fun/interesting interactions keeps her interested, allows you to find out more about her and ultimately hook her in allows you to get a date. Setting frames also helps with many other future interactions also.

By improving your skills and understanding of each of these will enable you to increase your success rate enormously. Therefore, dating women in not a game of "chance" but a game of "skill".

 

[Mali]

@Mali dude! It's not so much of a numbers game as it is an experience game, the more experience you gain the better you can become. Practice is only as good as what you practice, if you're practicing the wrong thing you're wasting your time.

The main thing is to get over any approach anxiety you have and then to progress from there. The more you approach and put yourself out there you'll learn the social skills needed, you'll learn to calibrate, you'll gain reference points of things that went well and went horrible that you can learn from in your next seduction and you'll understand girls better.

Eventually this experience coupled with knowledge will get you better results. This is how naturals are natural, they've either learned from their mistakes or had a lot of the tools hardwired into them, each natural and each seducer will take their own path, some progressing faster than others for various reasons.

Calling it a numbers game is selling it short, there's much more to it than talking to enough girls though this does work, it's how normal, average and clueless guys get girls, you can get lucky. All of this stuff is irrelevant if you're happy to wait to get lucky but if you want to know what you're doing and get good so you can replicate your successes then this is where to be.

Your numbers will improve when you learn to screen for receptive girls, they'll improve by improving your fundamentals, they'll improve with experience, enough successful experience breeds confidence, which is very attractive to girls.

For the technical aspects of your question, each type of game (day, night, apps) come with their own unique variables, then you've got cross gaming. You're not going to get a definitive answer, the best response I can give you for this is see what works for you, go and talk to 100 girls and see what your close rate is. You can ask for advice and feedback and see how you improve. Read dudes journals and reports, this will show you what they experience in the field, or go into the field and see first hand

I get all of that Fluxcapacitor. The better you are the better results. I’m asking a question, if you interact with 100 women that are showing some initial interest, how many of them will actually show up for a date or whatever you want to call it.

If you meet 100 women on tinder or other apps or places, and there are goo responses - how many of them will go and meet you? Out of these, sleep with you?

 

[Mali]

the numbers are part of pick up, but if you just spam approach with no skills and you happen to get laid, is like throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks, is ok to do this in the first month to get rid of approach anxiety.... But pick up is first and for most a skill set and the numbers are part of it for obvious reasons:

Debunking The Numbers Game Myth - The Skills Method

Pick up is not just a numbers game, the numbers play an important part in pick up, but pick up is both a numbers game and a skill. With enough experience you get to the point were you do not have to rely in the numbers.

www.theskillsmethod.com

- abudance mentality means not to get onitis and get stuck in one girls, or get overly desperate and needy but put your best effort forwards and if she does not bite or is not available move on, vs getting depress and but hurt and without compromising your dignity...

I’ll look at the article. But still, if you want to get laid 5x with 5 different girls, how many girls do you meet in general that show initial interest (such as good responses in dating apps, good initial conversations). Obviously not every girl that sends you couple texts will show you, and not every girl that you start talking with with the intention to get laid will go with you.

 

[Mali]

the numbers are part of pick up, but if you just spam approach with no skills and you happen to get laid, is like throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks, is ok to do this in the first month to get rid of approach anxiety.... But pick up is first and for most a skill set and the numbers are part of it for obvious reasons:

Debunking The Numbers Game Myth - The Skills Method

Pick up is not just a numbers game, the numbers play an important part in pick up, but pick up is both a numbers game and a skill. With enough experience you get to the point were you do not have to rely in the numbers.

www.theskillsmethod.com

- abudance mentality means not to get onitis and get stuck in one girls, or get overly desperate and needy but put your best effort forwards and if she does not bite or is not available move on, vs getting depress and but hurt and without compromising your dignity...

Skills, from the article you linked above: I approach maybe 3 girls the other dude just approach 25. I am making out and about to take her home, as i am leaving the club, the good looking fucker says, i don’t know what i am doing wrong, it is a numbers game why is not working

That’s good. How about dating apps, or no-clubs interactions?

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

I get all of that Fluxcapacitor. The better you are the better results. I’m asking a question, if you interact with 100 women that are showing some initial interest, how many of them will actually show up for a date or whatever you want to call it.

If you meet 100 women on tinder or other apps or places, and there are goo responses - how many of them will go and meet you? Out of these, sleep with you?

@Mali dude, I addressed this with different types of game has different variables. I've never done apps, I'm an in person exclusive, you seem heavy set on apps which isn't the best playing field this will distort your figures greatly.

I do night game and don't bother much with dates, when I do bother I've got a good close rate on the first date, this is maximised up to 3 dates, after that I typically don't bother. I push for a SNL with a fairly good close rate, some nights I'll only talk to one girl and get the SNL, it can be done with good screening and sniper game. Though standing around for such an opportunity isn't recommended for beginners, especially without the skillset.

I also don't wait for these opportunities, I take them when they present themselves or create them. I posted an LR a couple month back where this happened, I was out socialising with friends I hadn't seen in a while and clocked a girl checking me out. I broke from the group and met her, 1 for 1 I didn't have to talk to anyone else.

My close rate won't be yours, neither will anyone else's. I don't keep statistics or track this. There's too many variables, someone new to this probably won't have a good rate unless they're a natural, are you counting someone's all time performance or average over the last X period? Best ever results? Some months are better than others but did you go out more? Etc.

It's all mental masturbation, and if your close rate is worse it won't make you feel better so I don't see the point.

This seems like you're wanting to know how many girls you can bed if you talk to 100 receptive girls, if you're good you'll get more than the 1-3% proposed, if you're starting out and fixing huge issues you may not even bed any of them. Your baseline fundamentals, social skills and intuition will impact your results.

Again, the best thing you can do is talk to 100 girls and see what your close rate is and go from there, the only figures that matter to you are yours

 

[Skills]

Skills, from the article you linked above: I approach maybe 3 girls the other dude just approach 25. I am making out and about to take her home, as i am leaving the club, the good looking fucker says, i don’t know what i am doing wrong, it is a numbers game why is not working

That’s good. How about dating apps, or no-clubs interactions?

Apps. Yeah is more of a true numbers game, but factors such as quality and type of pics is the main ratio too match with no trolls, and good texting is the game part... the best guy here are @TomInHo and @topcat and @POB told them to come in... but if i am you i learn cold approach first...i suspect you are shadow ban and profiled based on results, in other words the apps willl just show you 5 and below...

Out of 100 swipes, 10 matches, 1 u should take out and bang for online

 

[Fuck This]

It is a numbers game to determine what "lane" you are in.
women who will respond favorably based on :
Their age
their background (nationality, heritage, social class, life experience)
the setting
their body language

What aspects of your approach and appearance garner attention from women.


Then you can concentrate on the subset of women who seem to respond favorably , and occasionally venture out of your comfort zone.

For example you might determine from 12 different approaches throughout the week that you do well in dimly lit casual dining restaurant bars with 30 year old single mothers from Queens. You can see if that applies to girls from Jersey, but you know it most likely won't work on women from Manhattan...