FR NYE Night Game - Dealing With Guys Swooping In [Sticking Point]

[TSRaven]

12/31/23 NYE Sunday Night

• The beginning of the night I was stuck in my head since it had been so long since I had done night game (2 weeks).
• The more I talked to people the less I was in my head and quicker the rust started to come off.
• I got out of my head by complimenting a girl that had a dope fur coat walking down the stairs (she was as a cute blonde). I should’ve approached her as she was receptive to my compliment.
• While I was waiting at the bar for some juice, I saw a girl that had been approached previously by another guy, but she didn’t seem too interested in him. I opened by asking her what she was drinking. We hit it off well to start. She seemed invested, while also introducing me to her friend. There was a bit of flirting but I could’ve been more physical from the jump. We talked about zodiac signs for a bit (I made her guess what my sign was and I cold read there’s). I should’ve disqualified her on this but didn’t. Shortly afterwards, another guy swooped in and approached her and all her attention focused on him, so I left to go talk to other girls.
• Saw a girl sitting by herself on a couch and I approached her by complimenting her outfit, but she ended up having a BF.
• I saw another girl that was older, we talked for a bit but I failed to escalate and get physical. I tried to get her to go downstairs with me but she didn’t budge (I should’ve tried getting some compliance early on - as a result the interaction was more platonic).
• Ran into a friend of mine and as I’m going to the BR, I compliment this cute girl’s outfit. My friend is winging for me while I’m in the BR. As I leave I reopen and I cold read her ethnicity (I was on the money with the Filipino guess). She lit up and was touching me and I should’ve escalated a bit and got a bit more compliance. As we’re walking to a booth, a guy swoops in and starts talking to her and she was immediately hooked (not sure if they knew each other prior).
• So I walked around and approached a couple more girls, but they didn’t really go anywhere.
• I opened a blonde girl that I had bumped into earlier in the night and she recognized me. We hit it off well, she said I was cute and she was invested in the interaction (especially after I cold read her on what she liked to do). She bought us some shots and introduced me to her sister. As we’re sitting at a booth, I invite her back to my place to check out my studio (she agreed to going and I probably waited too long in pulling). Her mom had texted her insisting that her and her sister go home since their mom is picking them up. I tell them to tell their mom that she already got a ride (which she tried and probably wasn’t successful at). Suddenly this girl spotted one of her friends crying so they go to the BF to console her (apparently she got too drunk). It was closing so I headed downstairs. After talking to a few more girls, I see her holding hands with a lesbian black girl (she mentioned she was bi). I tried reopening, but wasn’t successful.
• Before my Uber pulled up, I approach one last girl. She was already physically attracted to me and me coldreading her well made her light up even more. We flirted for a bit and I invited her back to my place since my ride was pulling up soon. She was from out of town and said she wanted to go back to her AirBnB to sleep. I tried pushing past that objection but was unsuccessful. She liked that I was straightforward and we exchanged IGs before I left.
• The main takeaways are that I should’ve been physical from the jump and got compliance ASAP in those earlier interactions.
• Second thing to focus on is not fumbling the interaction when going for the pull (kinda been a sticking point).
• The last sticking point that needs to be addressed is dealing with guys swooping in and stealing girls away.
• Curious to hear your thoughts (especially either the last sticking point).

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

The main takeaways are that I should’ve been physical from the jump and got compliance ASAP in those earlier interactions.

You get used to touching girls the more you do it, doesn’t have to be anything crazy, just enough to let them know your a dominant guy who’s naturally sexual. The rest of your fundies need to say this as well, but putting your hand on her arm for just a second while you convey a point, or other small stuff like that, certaintly will help convey that. It’s all about presence and touch certainly amplifies presence
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Second thing to focus on is not fumbling the interaction when going for the pull (kinda been a sticking point).

I wouldn’t worry about pulling at this point. You’d want to be spending more time with the girl before you pull, just because most girls are not immediately dtf. it sounded like most of these interactions were short lived. I would focus more on getting into sets where you have a good chance of pulling building it from there , overall focusinon the quality of the interaction

Because your a little jittery, I think you should make your seduction process a habit. If you grow accustomed to going out, you’ll grow accustomed making small talk with strangers.

For example: I’m sometimes a nervous person, ever since being a kid I’ve been shy of strangers. One day I decided to start approaching, and now over a thousand approaches later, I have literally no fear of strangers. I can talk to anyone I want if I feel motivated to do so.

You need that same on/off switch that allows you to talk to strangers without any fear.

but granted your trying, you are talking them, it’s just there’s no comfort, you can’t relax in the set.

When you start to relax and sink into social interaction, is when your presence oozes out.

Why else do you think litterally all of the nonverbals we’re trying to get as seducers convey that we are relaxed and calm, and don’t feel others are a threat?

Getting into that state is key, it’s hard to connect with someone when your nervous.

just overall what I’m seeing through different forms throughout your report is that girls aren’t really following you. You can hook them for a bit but then that novelty wears off and the next guy is able to captivate them better. Or with trying to lead girls either downstairs or to your home, they don’t want to listen to you

I think this is a combine of lack of respect for you, lack of being dominant to and lack of stimulating them

This ultimately stems from your vibe, if your positive emotions aren’t genuine, if your not leading and taking charge of the conversation, if your not getting her to fall into your frames, then you won’t really capture her attention

It comes from a place genuinely feeling this things, being excited to talk to someone, feeling like your worth talking too, having the confidence to be yourself, not be afraid to touch her, getting horny when you do

Just more practice in the field and removing negative beliefs will mostly fix this problem

You can’t fake being a seducer, it’s something you feelit’s very hard to fake feelings and have it work, your fundamentals have to be really dialed in, but then again, if they are really honed in, you’ll start feeling the way your behaving. Body follows and mind follows body.

I feel the tactics can only be used as well as your fundamentals are used. They lose potency if your fundamentals are shitty. So focus on the fundamentals and the confidence and everything else will follow, it’s one big feedback loop.

nice report, always fun to have a look at nightgame,

Best Biggus

 

[TSRaven]

Because your a little jittery, I think you should make your seduction process a habit. If you grow accustomed to going out, you’ll grow accustomed making small talk with strangers.

For example: I’m sometimes a nervous person, ever since being a kid I’ve been shy of strangers. One day I decided to start approaching, and now over a thousand approaches later, I have literally no fear of strangers. I can talk to anyone I want if I feel motivated to do so.

You need that same on/off switch that allows you to talk to strangers without any fear.

but granted your trying, you are talking them, it’s just there’s no comfort, you can’t relax in the set.

When you start to relax and sink into social interaction, is when your presence oozes out.

I'm used to going out and making small talk with strangers (been going out solo for a few years now). One of my main focuses when going out is to be social and have fun so there's less pressure on myself regarding an outcome. Sometimes I tend to lose sight of the "end goal" of a specific interaction. For example, my biggest issue is not consistently communicating in a more sexual way with women that I want to sleep with as soon as I meet them.

I've noticed that I'm good at winning a girl's friends over relatively fast (not sure if it's because they view me as just friendly or I'm looking too deep into it).

just overall what I’m seeing through different forms throughout your report is that girls aren’t really following you. You can hook them for a bit but then that novelty wears off and the next guy is able to captivate them better. Or with trying to lead girls either downstairs or to your home, they don’t want to listen to you

I think this is a combine of lack of respect for you, lack of being dominant to and lack of stimulating them

This ultimately stems from your vibe, if your positive emotions aren’t genuine, if your not leading and taking charge of the conversation, if your not getting her to fall into your frames, then you won’t really capture her attention

I have a bad habit of falling into a woman's frame in my interactions (I end up qualifying myself more-so than the other way around).
Not knowing where to lead the conversation plays a role in me not taking charge of the conversation as well. That's something I need to work on.

Is the lack of respect typically a result of being too easily won over or just the issues listed above?

What is a more effective way to keep a woman hooked?

 

[Mr.SocialAcceptableHarem]

I'm used to going out and making small talk with strangers (been going out solo for a few years now).

Glad you are going out consistently

I have a bad habit of falling into a woman's frame in my interactions (I end up qualifying myself more-so than the other way around).
Not knowing where to lead the conversation plays a role in me not taking charge of the conversation as well. That's something I need to work on.

You never want to fall under the women's frame, even if her frame is "We should fuck", you still want to be the person leading that frame. Women want to follow men who lead. Be default, women can not follow men who don't lead. Then if you don't lead, women will often lead you down a path where they try to filter you out, just because the nature of you not leading, gives them a reason to want to get rid of you.

Women are efficient, if they are talking to you and seeing that it goes nowhere, they will look for a man that will take them somewhere, and the first step in that is trying to find out if they should leave, and they do that by tests or filtering or on this case, taking an escape route when another man comes along.

Leading is so crucial, I've never had a good interaction with a women, whether it's fucking on a date or just getting a phone number, where I wasn't leading. I always took charge of the situation in the interactions where I succeeded.

Is the lack of respect typically a result of being too easily won over or just the issues listed above?

Yes, not having your own frames is a big reason why someone would not respect you. If you can't create the frame, you don't have much authority because you are in someone else's frame, not your own. It's also a combination of your fundamentals. Having good fundamentals makes your frame more convincing and people will want to step into it. Good Fundamentals also convey positive traits about you, that make you an authority figure to the listener.

What is a more effective way to keep a woman hooked?

Some people have stacks, it's a set of rather advanced techniques running different scripts for different psychological effects.

But in order to really pull of a stack, your fundamentals need to be there, or like I said, the frame won't be very enticing.

Someone who has good fundamentals and good conversation skills and knows how to use SAC, can keep a women hooked and escalate enough that the women feels it's gonna lead somewhere.

Those I'd say are the basics, the stacks build onto of the fundamentals and can be really powerful.

You don't even have to do a cold read after the opener, if you can't find anything interesting to read about her. You can just talk about whatever you want, if you're a good conversationalist, you'll be able to think of something contextually appropriate, and make it interesting with your fundamentals. Then from there use SAC to build investment.

I'm kind of a high energy guy when I approach women, it works for me, I can get them engaged through emotional trasnference. My energy makes them light up and smile and I just keep up the high energy in the conversation, it makes it fun and light hearted and the women starts to catch on and follow after my example.

That's how I hook at least, just brute force it with my energy.

I'm a proponent of natural game so I just say whatever is on my mind, but I say it in an appealing way because the energy is there

Best,

Biggus