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Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Intro:
After the last lay (LR:
Thread 'Long bad streak finally ended!'
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/long-bad-streak-finally-ended.26538/)
I was again struggling to get results. Guys here pointed out to me a lot of flaws in my game, like lack of structure, failing to build connection, failing to address ASD, no verbal escalation etc. @POB pointed me to a link to @Teevster 's massive compilation of sex talk and I was neck deep reading it every wake moment. Felt like I got a cheatcode to seduction. A couple of examples here:
Post in thread 'How do I seduce a 10?'
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/how-do-i-seduce-a-10.26588/post-152623

Approach: I was taking every opportunity to try sex talk like I mentioned above. The day before yesterday I was sitting in Starburcks reading this after a lot of sarging in the rain. Was kind of exhausted by then and thought I'll have a quick drink before it stops raining and will head back home. As I finished up and was just about to walk downstairs, near the stairs there was a gorgeous looking chic sitting wearing a pink jumper and working on her laptop. I thought I don't have energy anymore to talk to anyone and will leave but just as I passed her, she made a very very brief eye-contact and I thought nothing to lose in saying a Hi. So, smiled and said "I like your jumper". She grinned from ear to ear and said "thanks".

Insta-date:
Me: Your jumper is so eye-catchy. I couldn't help but notice you
She: Thanks (still grinning)
Me: I was sitting across the room and all that I could notice was your bright pink jumper
She: Hahaha
Me: You look... Russian?
She: Nope..
Me: hmm.. Scandinavian?
She: Haha.. No.. I'm German (Don't know what's going on with Germans for me lol)
Me: Interesting. You look so Russian but ya your accent gives away
She: Thanks. But why did you think I'm Russian?
Me: Cos of your blonde hair and sharp features?
She: Haha, I wish.. no but I'm not
Me: TBH.. for a moment I thought you were local since you don't look like a traveller. You don't have a backpack and you look all settled in.
She: Haha, yeah.. I don't like to travel like a backpacker. I've got a suitcase and a handbag. (Showing her classy handbag)
Me: That's awesome! You travel like a local.
She: Ya, I'm quite organized.
Me: I can say that.
Me: Do you mind I sit?
She: How?
She: Of course (removes her bag from chair next to her)
Me: Your vibe?
She: What about my vibe? Btw, I don't speak very good English.
Me: You have a very chill vibe that you are settled in and not being worried about anything in life
Me: Btw, you speak good English. Not the best but you communicate well. It's not about language. It's about expressing. As long as you're able to communicate that I can understand, that's all matters. You know humans evolved without language to begin with?
She: Ya, that's true.
Me: Specially with your amazing facial expressions, you can't go wrong in communicating what you want to say (She had the best facial expressions I've seen in a girl. Very bubbly.. Think of Emilia Clarke from Me before you movie)
She: Haha.. ya, I'm like this normally.
Me: You're super cute..I love your energy. It's so contagious (she wasn't expecting that coming so abruptly, puts her head down and melts.. saying thanks)
She: (tries to change subject unable to hold tension)
She: So, what do you do? Are you local?
Me: Yes, I'm local. I work as a business analyst
Me: You?
She: Right now obviously nothing. I arrived here only yesterday. But back home I was an assessor for Mercedes Benz.
Me: ok. What brings you here?
She: I was too lost in work and routine life, I wanted a break from everything and so quit my job, left my apartments and came here.
Me: That's great! So you're ready for exploring? (Making deep eye contact) (She was a super shy girl and wouldn't make eye contact for more than a few secs and looks away)
She: Ya, kind of.

I was so pumped up with "Sex talk" knowledge I wanted to bring up quickly but somehow her being so shy and looked like she was already sold didn't want to add it at this stage since I wasn't going to bounce her home anyways today

Me: So, what do you do besides assessing cars and looking bubbly all the time?
She: Tells about her job again
Me: No, what do you do for fun?
She: Oh sorry.. I play Golf, ride horse and hangout with friends
(Now I knew she was an upclass chic. If not for cold-approach, I wouldn't know how I could meet such girls)
Me: Riding horse is super-sexy (makes deep eye contact)
She: (puts her head down again)
Me: Do you have a horse?
She: Not anymore. I used to have one but it's hard to take care of it when you have a busy life.
Me: Ya, I know.
Me: BTW, if a girl rides horse, it's a massive turn on for me (increasing the sexual tension)
She: (puts her head down again)
(By then I was warmed up and thought I should bounce home)
Me: (I continued talking about my travel in Europe, living in Amsterdam etc) Have you been to Amsterdam?
She: Of course. It's just 2 hrs drive from where I live
Me: To smoke up? Lol
She: Haha. No. I don't smoke.
Me: Ever?
She: I've smoked weed maybe 5 times max in my life and I don't smoke cigs
Me: Cool. I don't like smoking cigs too but I like smoking weed from time to time.
She: Ok.
Me: We should go and smoke up at my place now. Haha
She: Haha.. no
She: Anyway, where do you live?
Me: Just a few blocks from here.
She: So handy to be in the city.
Me: Yes.
Me: BTW, what drink do you like?
She: I don't drink anything except water and coke
Me: Lol. What?
She: Ya, I don't like coffee or tea but I drink beer during Oktoberfest.
Me: interesting that you don't drink alcohol being a German
She: Ya.. Haha
Me: You're a verructus huun (crazy chicken in German)
She: laughs out loud.. how do you know that word?
Me: I have many friends from Germany (I talk about that for sometime - social proof)
She: That's cool that you know those German words.
Me: Ya. Anyway, what are you doing tomorrow?
She: No plans
Me: Ok, Friday evenings are normally me time for me. I don't party anymore like I used to party in the past. So, I'd like to meet you tomorrow.
She: Sure.
Me: We exchange numbers. I enter my name in her phone like how @Skills suggests :p

Texting: (💯 credit: @Skills )
Honestly, if not for @Skills texting guide, there's no way I could've got her out or girls I'm talking to. These days while texting, I always think how I used to fuck up with my lame texting Open > Close.


Messy seduction:
See the time stamp in the screenshots. She arrived at around 8.30 and left at 5 am o_O

Since she had no internet to text me, with a lot of hassle, finally comes over at around 8.30 - 9 pm.
She comes dressed up dazzling in a blazer, done her hair elegantly and looked gorgeous. She had put in a lot of effort to look good. Received her at the main entrance and kissed her on the cheek and complimented her saying she looked gorgeous.

Me: (in the elevator) Did you find the address easily?
She: Yes but it took a long time at the bank. Sorry.
Me: That's fine. You're here finally anyway.
She: (She qualifies to me saying, "I look better than yesterday right? I've put in a lot of effort to look good")
Me: Of course. You were looking good yesterday too.
She: thanks. But I've put on mascara today.
Me: I found you attractive yesterday not only cos of how you looked but I really liked your bubbly energy.
She: Haha. (Behaves like a little girl acting all confused)
Me: Come I'll show you my balcony (goes to balcony)
She: it's beautiful.
Me: How was your day?
She: oh I spent all day at the bank blah blah blah
Me: Aww! You need a hug. (Gives a bear hug)
She: Melts like a little girl
Me: let's go inside. I'll get you a drink.
Me: you like Coke right? ;)
She: haha.. you remember
Me: yes, I do. (Hands her a can of coke)
She: could you open it for me please (like a little girl)
Me: yes
She: thank you (still blushing)
Me: Do you know this music? (Bachata playing on the TV)
She: No, what is that?
Me: Bachata.. Latin music
She: Ok
Me: Come let's dance
She: (She's all excited but says she doesn't know to dance and after a little while feels embarrassed and stops dancing)
Me: Ok that's fine let's sit
Me: What music do you like?
She: I like Coldplay, Jazz blah blah blah
Me: plays some songs from Coldplay
She: (She has a closed body language with folded hands but I knew she'll open up only if I escalate and not wait until she opens up)
Me: (I pull her in and make out)
She: Makes out (with folded hands...lol)
She: Thank you (still with folded hands)
Me: Thanks for what? (laughing)
She: For kissing me (blushes)
Me: continue talking about music and makes out in between every now and then.
She: (she's enjoying making out but doesn't unfold her hands)
Me: (With each make out I escalate a little bit)

It's been an hour since she came over and she's not unfolding her hands. She makes out with folded hands and loves making out forever.
Me: Do you always kiss folding your hands? (Teases)
She: Haha.. (she's unable to open up although she wants to)
(it's almost 11 midnight. She keeps saying it's too fast. I say you're too slow)
I take a break, talk about liberating oneself, get rid of judgements, letting go, living one's life, getting rid of inhibitions etc. She says she understands all that but she's new to something like this and this is her first ONS since she broke up with a bf of 10 years and hasn't had sex a lot except her bf.

I escalate.. Cool down.. Talk.. escalate.. cool down.. talk.. escalate..cool down.. talk.. by now I've gotten her top off. She is ravishing. I suck her boobs for 10-20 mins and she orgasms. (Mistake). She was done!

It's almost 1 am.. I knew it's risky to talk about sex since she is already not too open. However I take a chance and ask her
Me: what are your sexual fantasies?
She: sexual dominance.
Me: (pulls her hair and makes out) like this?
She: Yes.

This was her limit. I miscalibrated and talked about spanking, handcuffs, ball gag bdsm etc. She didn't know any of it. MISTAKE!!!

She appeared curious but she said she doesn't like any of that. I thought I should introduce some sex talk and talked about orgasm control - dominance, tantric sex and 8 orgasms. HUGEEEEE MISTAKEEEEEE!!!

She said I'm a fuckboy and she wants to leave. I said, if that is what you wish and then I pull her in and make out for some more time. Then she throws at me a shit load of shittests. It's 2 am already. I talk and talk and talk and try to convince and talk about how she has to live her life etc etc etc.. I'm not judgemental, I don't say these things to every girl, I don't fuck a lot of girls etc etc. She's not buying any of that. She goes on and on saying, you're too experienced and it scares me. I say, isn't it good to be experienced than to be not experienced? Think of traveling with an inexperienced driver and an experienced driver. Who do you feel safe traveling with? She agrees but says "it's not the same. I'm not a girl who sleeps around. I'm not very naive to fall into your charms of your compliments. If it was not me, you'd have some other girl here today.. Maybe Lisa or Anna or whoever". I try my best to make her feel special and we make out, I suck on her boobs every now and then and we talk. She says I talk a lot and I'm good at convincing but she doesn't want to do anything more. I pull her in and make out some more. She's so gorgeous that with so much effort I'm still staying horny for the past 6 hours. It's almost 3.30 am. Then finally I give up and I say, yes I'm a fuckboy. What's the problem? From this point onwards, I started playing along. I said yes, I'm a fuckboy, I fuck around a lot. I have fucked thousands of girls etc etc and she takes all of that literally. I said, I go for what I want and I really desire you. I really like you now because I want to eat your pussy so much. She says, don't talk like that. I said, I'm honest I really really want to taste every inch of you. I'm full of lust for you. I pull her in and make out every now and then. I say, I don't give a fuck about what people think, like you. I live my life honestly and I'm being true to myself. I'm not one of those nice guys who pretends to be your bf and wants to only fuck you. I won't take you on expensive dates only to fuck you. I want to fuck you only because I want to fuck you and I desire you so much. I may even ghost you after today and I may not even see you again. She says, she'll ghost me first and then she says no she wants to see me again. She says its all good and correct and it may not be a problem for me but for her it's a walk of shame when she goes from here. I again talk and talk and talk and say to her that I feel sorry for her for not letting go of her inhibitions and fears and living the life she wants. She says she understands all that but she can't switch her mental state like a switch. Then I tell her how society has impacted her so much and her thinking and how nice guys have caused all the problems. I tell her a lot of stories to build comfort. We talk about nice guys and she says I'd rather be with you but not with a nice guy. I ask her why do you like me if I'm a fuckboy? She says, I've never felt so comfortable with anyone in my life and she feels I'm very genuine and honest and have a lot of integrity although I'm a fuckboy. Only thing that's confusing to her was that I was emotional and a fuckboy. It's strange. After some more talking (I talked so much that I can't include all of that in the report), we get hot making out and then she finally gives in. I had so much pressure built up from hours that I finish off in less than 5 -10 mins (facepalm) but she wasn't judgemental about that. I asked her to stay back the night but she said she can't sleep in a new place and also she needs to do her skin routine and so wants to head back. I offer to call her an Uber and she melts and blushes and says no, thanks. I see her off outside my apartment and we make out for some more time at almost 5 am in the morning on the street and she sends me a few texts after. I had never been so persistent in my life. Also, one thing I felt after talking to her so much is, by the time I finished, I almost had started liking her for not only her body but also as a person. She was a sweet feminine girl. World needs more of such girls, honestly.
 

Skills

Tribal Elder
Tribal Elder
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congrats on the lay! but what you did back in the house was no seduction was pathetic, we need to clean that up....and your sex game 5 minute busting a nut, unacceptable come on... The post sex text is pathetic as well.... come on brah!
 

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
Joined
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Messages
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congrats on the lay! but what you did back in the house was no seduction was pathetic, we need to clean that up....and your sex game 5 minute busting a nut, unacceptable come on... The post sex text is pathetic as well.... come on brah!
Lol.. yeah bro.. I don't know what I was doing but honestly I didn't know what else to do. I didn't know how to stop creating LMR in the first place. She had come ready to have sex but I fucked it up.
1. I didn't know how to address her ASD and overcome LMR.
2. I didn't know what to do when she kept saying I'm a fuckboy.
3. I was exhausted honestly with no sleep, lot of talking, physical escalation and I had dry humped a lot whenever I escalated and so busted soon after I entered.
4. She texted me today. So, I think it's still good. Should I still continue the same texting format? Open > banter > high point soft close > hard close? BTW, I told her clearly yesterday that next time we want to be relaxed. I don't know honestly how she's texting cos with all the buildup I gave for 6 hours and busting in 5 mins... FML...
 

switchblade

Space Monkey
space monkey
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''you are very handsome' - was that her first text?! Damn man. I'm jealous. I need to work on my looks man. Are you stupidly handsome like male model stuff?

Good job on the lay.

I wouldn't worry about the other stuff. As you say, she's still super keen and texting etc! Whatever you done was good enough. When girls are massively attracted I tend to find it's impossible to screw up lol
 
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Will_V

Chieftan
Staff member
tribal-elder
Joined
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Messages
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Intro:
After the last lay (LR:
Thread 'Long bad streak finally ended!'
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/long-bad-streak-finally-ended.26538/)
I was again struggling to get results. Guys here pointed out to me a lot of flaws in my game, like lack of structure, failing to build connection, failing to address ASD, no verbal escalation etc. @POB pointed me to a link to @Teevster 's massive compilation of sex talk and I was neck deep reading it every wake moment. Felt like I got a cheatcode to seduction. A couple of examples here:
Post in thread 'How do I seduce a 10?'
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/how-do-i-seduce-a-10.26588/post-152623

Approach: I was taking every opportunity to try sex talk like I mentioned above. The day before yesterday I was sitting in Starburcks reading this after a lot of sarging in the rain. Was kind of exhausted by then and thought I'll have a quick drink before it stops raining and will head back home. As I finished up and was just about to walk downstairs, near the stairs there was a gorgeous looking chic sitting wearing a pink jumper and working on her laptop. I thought I don't have energy anymore to talk to anyone and will leave but just as I passed her, she made a very very brief eye-contact and I thought nothing to lose in saying a Hi. So, smiled and said "I like your jumper". She grinned from ear to ear and said "thanks".

Insta-date:
Me: Your jumper is so eye-catchy. I couldn't help but notice you
She: Thanks (still grinning)
Me: I was sitting across the room and all that I could notice was your bright pink jumper
She: Hahaha
Me: You look... Russian?
She: Nope..
Me: hmm.. Scandinavian?
She: Haha.. No.. I'm German (Don't know what's going on with Germans for me lol)
Me: Interesting. You look so Russian but ya your accent gives away
She: Thanks. But why did you think I'm Russian?
Me: Cos of your blonde hair and sharp features?
She: Haha, I wish.. no but I'm not
Me: TBH.. for a moment I thought you were local since you don't look like a traveller. You don't have a backpack and you look all settled in.
She: Haha, yeah.. I don't like to travel like a backpacker. I've got a suitcase and a handbag. (Showing her classy handbag)
Me: That's awesome! You travel like a local.
She: Ya, I'm quite organized.
Me: I can say that.
Me: Do you mind I sit?
She: How?
She: Of course (removes her bag from chair next to her)
Me: Your vibe?
She: What about my vibe? Btw, I don't speak very good English.
Me: You have a very chill vibe that you are settled in and not being worried about anything in life
Me: Btw, you speak good English. Not the best but you communicate well. It's not about language. It's about expressing. As long as you're able to communicate that I can understand, that's all matters. You know humans evolved without language to begin with?
She: Ya, that's true.
Me: Specially with your amazing facial expressions, you can't go wrong in communicating what you want to say (She had the best facial expressions I've seen in a girl. Very bubbly.. Think of Emilia Clarke from Me before you movie)
She: Haha.. ya, I'm like this normally.
Me: You're super cute..I love your energy. It's so contagious (she wasn't expecting that coming so abruptly, puts her head down and melts.. saying thanks)
She: (tries to change subject unable to hold tension)
She: So, what do you do? Are you local?
Me: Yes, I'm local. I work as a business analyst
Me: You?
She: Right now obviously nothing. I arrived here only yesterday. But back home I was an assessor for Mercedes Benz.
Me: ok. What brings you here?
She: I was too lost in work and routine life, I wanted a break from everything and so quit my job, left my apartments and came here.
Me: That's great! So you're ready for exploring? (Making deep eye contact) (She was a super shy girl and wouldn't make eye contact for more than a few secs and looks away)
She: Ya, kind of.

I was so pumped up with "Sex talk" knowledge I wanted to bring up quickly but somehow her being so shy and looked like she was already sold didn't want to add it at this stage since I wasn't going to bounce her home anyways today

Me: So, what do you do besides assessing cars and looking bubbly all the time?
She: Tells about her job again
Me: No, what do you do for fun?
She: Oh sorry.. I play Golf, ride horse and hangout with friends
(Now I knew she was an upclass chic. If not for cold-approach, I wouldn't know how I could meet such girls)
Me: Riding horse is super-sexy (makes deep eye contact)
She: (puts her head down again)
Me: Do you have a horse?
She: Not anymore. I used to have one but it's hard to take care of it when you have a busy life.
Me: Ya, I know.
Me: BTW, if a girl rides horse, it's a massive turn on for me (increasing the sexual tension)
She: (puts her head down again)
(By then I was warmed up and thought I should bounce home)
Me: (I continued talking about my travel in Europe, living in Amsterdam etc) Have you been to Amsterdam?
She: Of course. It's just 2 hrs drive from where I live
Me: To smoke up? Lol
She: Haha. No. I don't smoke.
Me: Ever?
She: I've smoked weed maybe 5 times max in my life and I don't smoke cigs
Me: Cool. I don't like smoking cigs too but I like smoking weed from time to time.
She: Ok.
Me: We should go and smoke up at my place now. Haha
She: Haha.. no
She: Anyway, where do you live?
Me: Just a few blocks from here.
She: So handy to be in the city.
Me: Yes.
Me: BTW, what drink do you like?
She: I don't drink anything except water and coke
Me: Lol. What?
She: Ya, I don't like coffee or tea but I drink beer during Oktoberfest.
Me: interesting that you don't drink alcohol being a German
She: Ya.. Haha
Me: You're a verructus huun (crazy chicken in German)
She: laughs out loud.. how do you know that word?
Me: I have many friends from Germany (I talk about that for sometime - social proof)
She: That's cool that you know those German words.
Me: Ya. Anyway, what are you doing tomorrow?
She: No plans
Me: Ok, Friday evenings are normally me time for me. I don't party anymore like I used to party in the past. So, I'd like to meet you tomorrow.
She: Sure.
Me: We exchange numbers. I enter my name in her phone like how @Skills suggests :p

Texting: (💯 credit: @Skills )
Honestly, if not for @Skills texting guide, there's no way I could've got her out or girls I'm talking to. These days while texting, I always think how I used to fuck up with my lame texting Open > Close.


Messy seduction:
See the time stamp in the screenshots. She arrived at around 8.30 and left at 5 am o_O

Since she had no internet to text me, with a lot of hassle, finally comes over at around 8.30 - 9 pm.
She comes dressed up dazzling in a blazer, done her hair elegantly and looked gorgeous. She had put in a lot of effort to look good. Received her at the main entrance and kissed her on the cheek and complimented her saying she looked gorgeous.

Me: (in the elevator) Did you find the address easily?
She: Yes but it took a long time at the bank. Sorry.
Me: That's fine. You're here finally anyway.
She: (She qualifies to me saying, "I look better than yesterday right? I've put in a lot of effort to look good")
Me: Of course. You were looking good yesterday too.
She: thanks. But I've put on mascara today.
Me: I found you attractive yesterday not only cos of how you looked but I really liked your bubbly energy.
She: Haha. (Behaves like a little girl acting all confused)
Me: Come I'll show you my balcony (goes to balcony)
She: it's beautiful.
Me: How was your day?
She: oh I spent all day at the bank blah blah blah
Me: Aww! You need a hug. (Gives a bear hug)
She: Melts like a little girl
Me: let's go inside. I'll get you a drink.
Me: you like Coke right? ;)
She: haha.. you remember
Me: yes, I do. (Hands her a can of coke)
She: could you open it for me please (like a little girl)
Me: yes
She: thank you (still blushing)
Me: Do you know this music? (Bachata playing on the TV)
She: No, what is that?
Me: Bachata.. Latin music
She: Ok
Me: Come let's dance
She: (She's all excited but says she doesn't know to dance and after a little while feels embarrassed and stops dancing)
Me: Ok that's fine let's sit
Me: What music do you like?
She: I like Coldplay, Jazz blah blah blah
Me: plays some songs from Coldplay
She: (She has a closed body language with folded hands but I knew she'll open up only if I escalate and not wait until she opens up)
Me: (I pull her in and make out)
She: Makes out (with folded hands...lol)
She: Thank you (still with folded hands)
Me: Thanks for what? (laughing)
She: For kissing me (blushes)
Me: continue talking about music and makes out in between every now and then.
She: (she's enjoying making out but doesn't unfold her hands)
Me: (With each make out I escalate a little bit)

It's been an hour since she came over and she's not unfolding her hands. She makes out with folded hands and loves making out forever.
Me: Do you always kiss folding your hands? (Teases)
She: Haha.. (she's unable to open up although she wants to)
(it's almost 11 midnight. She keeps saying it's too fast. I say you're too slow)
I take a break, talk about liberating oneself, get rid of judgements, letting go, living one's life, getting rid of inhibitions etc. She says she understands all that but she's new to something like this and this is her first ONS since she broke up with a bf of 10 years and hasn't had sex a lot except her bf.

I escalate.. Cool down.. Talk.. escalate.. cool down.. talk.. escalate..cool down.. talk.. by now I've gotten her top off. She is ravishing. I suck her boobs for 10-20 mins and she orgasms. (Mistake). She was done!

It's almost 1 am.. I knew it's risky to talk about sex since she is already not too open. However I take a chance and ask her
Me: what are your sexual fantasies?
She: sexual dominance.
Me: (pulls her hair and makes out) like this?
She: Yes.

This was her limit. I miscalibrated and talked about spanking, handcuffs, ball gag bdsm etc. She didn't know any of it. MISTAKE!!!

She appeared curious but she said she doesn't like any of that. I thought I should introduce some sex talk and talked about orgasm control - dominance, tantric sex and 8 orgasms. HUGEEEEE MISTAKEEEEEE!!!

She said I'm a fuckboy and she wants to leave. I said, if that is what you wish and then I pull her in and make out for some more time. Then she throws at me a shit load of shittests. It's 2 am already. I talk and talk and talk and try to convince and talk about how she has to live her life etc etc etc.. I'm not judgemental, I don't say these things to every girl, I don't fuck a lot of girls etc etc. She's not buying any of that. She goes on and on saying, you're too experienced and it scares me. I say, isn't it good to be experienced than to be not experienced? Think of traveling with an inexperienced driver and an experienced driver. Who do you feel safe traveling with? She agrees but says "it's not the same. I'm not a girl who sleeps around. I'm not very naive to fall into your charms of your compliments. If it was not me, you'd have some other girl here today.. Maybe Lisa or Anna or whoever". I try my best to make her feel special and we make out, I suck on her boobs every now and then and we talk. She says I talk a lot and I'm good at convincing but she doesn't want to do anything more. I pull her in and make out some more. She's so gorgeous that with so much effort I'm still staying horny for the past 6 hours. It's almost 3.30 am. Then finally I give up and I say, yes I'm a fuckboy. What's the problem? From this point onwards, I started playing along. I said yes, I'm a fuckboy, I fuck around a lot. I have fucked thousands of girls etc etc and she takes all of that literally. I said, I go for what I want and I really desire you. I really like you now because I want to eat your pussy so much. She says, don't talk like that. I said, I'm honest I really really want to taste every inch of you. I'm full of lust for you. I pull her in and make out every now and then. I say, I don't give a fuck about what people think, like you. I live my life honestly and I'm being true to myself. I'm not one of those nice guys who pretends to be your bf and wants to only fuck you. I won't take you on expensive dates only to fuck you. I want to fuck you only because I want to fuck you and I desire you so much. I may even ghost you after today and I may not even see you again. She says, she'll ghost me first and then she says no she wants to see me again. She says its all good and correct and it may not be a problem for me but for her it's a walk of shame when she goes from here. I again talk and talk and talk and say to her that I feel sorry for her for not letting go of her inhibitions and fears and living the life she wants. She says she understands all that but she can't switch her mental state like a switch. Then I tell her how society has impacted her so much and her thinking and how nice guys have caused all the problems. I tell her a lot of stories to build comfort. We talk about nice guys and she says I'd rather be with you but not with a nice guy. I ask her why do you like me if I'm a fuckboy? She says, I've never felt so comfortable with anyone in my life and she feels I'm very genuine and honest and have a lot of integrity although I'm a fuckboy. Only thing that's confusing to her was that I was emotional and a fuckboy. It's strange. After some more talking (I talked so much that I can't include all of that in the report), we get hot making out and then she finally gives in. I had so much pressure built up from hours that I finish off in less than 5 -10 mins (facepalm) but she wasn't judgemental about that. I asked her to stay back the night but she said she can't sleep in a new place and also she needs to do her skin routine and so wants to head back. I offer to call her an Uber and she melts and blushes and says no, thanks. I see her off outside my apartment and we make out for some more time at almost 5 am in the morning on the street and she sends me a few texts after. I had never been so persistent in my life. Also, one thing I felt after talking to her so much is, by the time I finished, I almost had started liking her for not only her body but also as a person. She was a sweet feminine girl. World needs more of such girls, honestly.
Congrats .. like others said lots to improve but this experience will leave you with a lot of new reference points. Good job on persisting and changing tack when something didn't seem like it would work, that's the way to learn.
 

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''you are very handsome' - was that her first text?! Damn man. I'm jealous. I need to work on my looks man. Are you stupidly handsome like male model stuff?

Good job on the lay.

I wouldn't worry about the other stuff. As you say, she's still super keen and texting etc! Whatever you done was good enough. When girls are massively attracted I tend to find it's impossible to screw up lol
is not about him being handsome is one of the ways i teach to get phone numbers to avoid social medial read this for context
 

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Lol.. yeah bro.. I don't know what I was doing but honestly I didn't know what else to do. I didn't know how to stop creating LMR in the first place. She had come ready to have sex but I fucked it up.
1. I didn't know how to address her ASD and overcome LMR.
2. I didn't know what to do when she kept saying I'm a fuckboy.
3. I was exhausted honestly with no sleep, lot of talking, physical escalation and I had dry humped a lot whenever I escalated and so busted soon after I entered.
4. She texted me today. So, I think it's still good. Should I still continue the same texting format? Open > banter > high point soft close > hard close? BTW, I told her clearly yesterday that next time we want to be relaxed. I don't know honestly how she's texting cos with all the buildup I gave for 6 hours and busting in 5 mins... FML...
1 and 2.- The whole point of the date structure me and pob were talking about and the whole point we suggested to read the sex talk material from teevester, was to avoid this... when you do the seduction properly there is minimal to no asd, the reason you got asd is that you did not do the work upfront by addressing possible upcoming issues, her objection was you being a fuck boy and fucking and dumping..... Watch this video for context. If she thought you are a fuckboy is a good thing that means you are coming across as a lover, though women usually don't bring this up unless you came across too strong (i used to have the same issue which is why i told you sometimes i do cheesy romantic talk), but the subcommunication is this guys have a lot of girls, he is very charming, but i just don't want to be another number..... But you cockblock yourself instead of addressing her objection, just re-inforcing her objection therefore you made her put a wall, yeah you persisted and got laid, but thinks like this can easily get you a false rape accusation, if you are not careful. Again the whole point of second gen is to get no lmr. I know you are overwhelmed with a lot of material, just try to play with this one only, after you can expand.... Do and try to repeat it couple of times till your feel comfortable doing the whole thing, with the additional routines i link together there (is a super cheat sheet of the whole teevester material) try to say it in your own words.

3.- Yeah happened to me similar many times, i go to clubs form 11 to 5 am, sometimes i am super exhausted when i pull, which is why i also got good at texting so i can fuck them after...., but again that was on you for you reinforcing fuckboy which was her objection... Imagine you are a sales man and a dude tell you i have not enough money for the mercedes, you as a salesman say no problem bring more money for a lamborgini... Retarded strategy

4.- yeah same format review this please:



and this when you are trying to escalate like you were:


and finally this:

 

Calibration

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1 and 2.- The whole point of the date structure me and pob were talking about and the whole point we suggested to read the sex talk material from teevester, was to avoid this... when you do the seduction properly there is minimal to no asd, the reason you got asd is that you did not do the work upfront by addressing possible upcoming issues, her objection was you being a fuck boy and fucking and dumping..... Watch this video for context. If she thought you are a fuckboy is a good thing that means you are coming across as a lover, though women usually don't bring this up unless you came across too strong (i used to have the same issue which is why i told you sometimes i do cheesy romantic talk), but the subcommunication is this guys have a lot of girls, he is very charming, but i just don't want to be another number..... But you cockblock yourself instead of addressing her objection, just re-inforcing her objection therefore you made her put a wall, yeah you persisted and got laid, but thinks like this can easily get you a false rape accusation, if you are not careful. Again the whole point of second gen is to get no lmr. I know you are overwhelmed with a lot of material, just try to play with this one only, after you can expand.... Do and try to repeat it couple of times till your feel comfortable doing the whole thing, with the additional routines i link together there (is a super cheat sheet of the whole teevester material) try to say it in your own words.

3.- Yeah happened to me similar many times, i go to clubs form 11 to 5 am, sometimes i am super exhausted when i pull, which is why i also got good at texting so i can fuck them after...., but again that was on you for you reinforcing fuckboy which was her objection... Imagine you are a sales man and a dude tell you i have not enough money for the mercedes, you as a salesman say no problem bring more money for a lamborgini... Retarded strategy

4.- yeah same format review this please:



and this when you are trying to escalate like you were:


and finally this:

Thanks bro.. really appreciate. I'll go through it tomorrow
 

TomInHo

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Aye!!!

Congrats on the lay @Shawn . I told you earlier that this was just the beginning 😉

The build up was great but like you said the seduction was hella sloppy. Big ups to you for sticking in there for 6 hours, but lets go over some things you could have done to shorten the seduction time

Messy seduction:
See the time stamp in the screenshots. She arrived at around 8.30 and left at 5 am o_O

Since she had no internet to text me, with a lot of hassle, finally comes over at around 8.30 - 9 pm.
She comes dressed up dazzling in a blazer, done her hair elegantly and looked gorgeous. She had put in a lot of effort to look good. Received her at the main entrance and kissed her on the cheek and complimented her saying she looked gorgeous.

Me: (in the elevator) Did you find the address easily?
She: Yes but it took a long time at the bank. Sorry.
Me: That's fine. You're here finally anyway.
She: (She qualifies to me saying, "I look better than yesterday right? I've put in a lot of effort to look good")
Me: Of course. You were looking good yesterday too.
She: thanks. But I've put on mascara today.
Me: I found you attractive yesterday not only cos of how you looked but I really liked your bubbly energy.
She: Haha. (Behaves like a little girl acting all confused)
Me: Come I'll show you my balcony (goes to balcony)
She: it's beautiful.
Me: How was your day?
She: oh I spent all day at the bank blah blah blah
Me: Aww! You need a hug. (Gives a bear hug)
She: Melts like a little girl
Me: let's go inside. I'll get you a drink.
Me: you like Coke right? ;)
She: haha.. you remember
Me: yes, I do. (Hands her a can of coke)
She: could you open it for me please (like a little girl)
Me: yes
She: thank you (still blushing)
Me: Do you know this music? (Bachata playing on the TV)
She: No, what is that?
Me: Bachata.. Latin music
She: Ok
Me: Come let's dance
She: (She's all excited but says she doesn't know to dance and after a little while feels embarrassed and stops dancing)

This was the first sign of resistance. When she stopped you from escalating with dancing. At this point int the interaction you should have shifted gears to try to understand why she may be objecting.... is it a lack of attraction, comfort or both?

Me: Ok that's fine let's sit
Me: What music do you like?
She: I like Coldplay, Jazz blah blah blah
Me: plays some songs from Coldplay
She: (She has a closed body language with folded hands but I knew she'll open up only if I escalate and not wait until she opens up)
Me: (I pull her in and make out)
She: Makes out (with folded hands...lol)
She: Thank you (still with folded hands)
Me: Thanks for what? (laughing)
She: For kissing me (blushes)

This should have given you all the information you need. She thanked you after the kiss which means she was hella attracted to you but just nervous

At this point you should have switched to building more comfort not attraction

Me: continue talking about music and makes out in between every now and then.
She: (she's enjoying making out but doesn't unfold her hands)
Me: (With each make out I escalate a little bit)

It's been an hour since she came over and she's not unfolding her hands. She makes out with folded hands and loves making out forever.
Me: Do you always kiss folding your hands? (Teases)
She: Haha.. (she's unable to open up although she wants to)
(it's almost 11 midnight. She keeps saying it's too fast. I say you're too slow)
I take a break, talk about liberating oneself, get rid of judgements, letting go, living one's life, getting rid of inhibitions etc. She says she understands all that but she's new to something like this and this is her first ONS since she broke up with a bf of 10 years and hasn't had sex a lot except her bf.

I escalate.. Cool down.. Talk.. escalate.. cool down.. talk.. escalate..cool down.. talk.. by now I've gotten her top off. She is ravishing. I suck her boobs for 10-20 mins and she orgasms. (Mistake). She was done!

It's almost 1 am.. I knew it's risky to talk about sex since she is already not too open. However I take a chance and ask her
Me: what are your sexual fantasies?
She: sexual dominance.
Me: (pulls her hair and makes out) like this?
She: Yes.

See... Again shows a lack of comfort. This means your escalation will not work until you address and underlying sexual hang up she is having

This was her limit. I miscalibrated and talked about spanking, handcuffs, ball gag bdsm etc. She didn't know any of it. MISTAKE!!!

She appeared curious but she said she doesn't like any of that. I thought I should introduce some sex talk and talked about orgasm control - dominance, tantric sex and 8 orgasms. HUGEEEEE MISTAKEEEEEE!!!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bro her issue was comfort and then you launch into arousal stuff and pumping up value. This was very bad and lowered your attainability

This made her even more skeptical about allowing herself to be seduced by you

What you needed her was to build "Sexual Comfort" not "Sexual Arousal" and one great way of doing that is launching into 2nd Generation Verbals before you begin escalating hard towards sex

She said I'm a fuckboy and she wants to leave.

No surprise there, because you were missing all her cues and she felt like you didn't get it

I said, if that is what you wish and then I pull her in and make out for some more time. Then she throws at me a shit load of shittests. It's 2 am already. I talk and talk and talk and try to convince and talk about how she has to live her life etc etc etc.. I'm not judgemental, I don't say these things to every girl, I don't fuck a lot of girls etc etc.

At this point you are almost begging for sex

If you communicated all these things earlier through stories and relating it would have hit so much better. But at this point it's like you are doing damage control and she is not buying into your BS

She's not buying any of that.

Called it

She goes on and on saying, you're too experienced and it scares me.

What did I say earlier? You pumped up value too much and made yourself seem unattainable

I say, isn't it good to be experienced than to be not experienced? Think of traveling with an inexperienced driver and an experienced driver. Who do you feel safe traveling with? She agrees but says "it's not the same. I'm not a girl who sleeps around. I'm not very naive to fall into your charms of your compliments. If it was not me, you'd have some other girl here today.. Maybe Lisa or Anna or whoever".

Okay at this point she is 100% convinced you are a Fuckboi


I try my best to make her feel special and we make out, I suck on her boobs every now and then and we talk. She says I talk a lot and I'm good at convincing but she doesn't want to do anything more. I pull her in and make out some more. She's so gorgeous that with so much effort I'm still staying horny for the past 6 hours. It's almost 3.30 am. Then finally I give up and I say, yes I'm a fuckboy. What's the problem? From this point onwards, I started playing along. I said yes, I'm a fuckboy, I fuck around a lot. I have fucked thousands of girls etc etc and she takes all of that literally. I said, I go for what I want and I really desire you. I really like you now because I want to eat your pussy so much. She says, don't talk like that. I said, I'm honest I really really want to taste every inch of you. I'm full of lust for you. I pull her in and make out every now and then. I say, I don't give a fuck about what people think, like you. I live my life honestly and I'm being true to myself. I'm not one of those nice guys who pretends to be your bf and wants to only fuck you. I won't take you on expensive dates only to fuck you. I want to fuck you only because I want to fuck you and I desire you so much. I may even ghost you after today and I may not even see you again. She says, she'll ghost me first and then she says no she wants to see me again. She says its all good and correct and it may not be a problem for me but for her it's a walk of shame when she goes from here. I again talk and talk and talk and say to her that I feel sorry for her for not letting go of her inhibitions and fears and living the life she wants. She says she understands all that but she can't switch her mental state like a switch. Then I tell her how society has impacted her so much and her thinking and how nice guys have caused all the problems. I tell her a lot of stories to build comfort. We talk about nice guys and she says I'd rather be with you but not with a nice guy. I ask her why do you like me if I'm a fuckboy? She says, I've never felt so comfortable with anyone in my life and she feels I'm very genuine and honest and have a lot of integrity although I'm a fuckboy.

WOW!!

I hope you understand what just happened

She doesn't want to get with you because you are a fuckboi.... she wants to get with you because you are finally doing a good job of building sexual comfort

You had to PACE her on being a fuckboi to build trust and lower her defenses, then you LED her by building sexual comfort. All this mess could have been avoided if you just did it earlier

Only thing that's confusing to her was that I was emotional and a fuckboy. It's strange.

70% Lover and 30% Provider... You are finally starting to get the balance right

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After some more talking (I talked so much that I can't include all of that in the report), we get hot making out and then she finally gives in.

YES!!! Because you escalated after you built the right amount of comfort and getting your attainability in the right place


I had so much pressure built up from hours that I finish off in less than 5 -10 mins (facepalm) but she wasn't judgemental about that.

Honestly, if you get the frame right, you can blow your load in 10 seconds and the girl will still want to see you again. Because at that point you are giving her a unique experience beyond sex and she wants to see how the story between you too will unfold

Women love unraveling a good mystery

I asked her to stay back the night but she said she can't sleep in a new place and also she needs to do her skin routine and so wants to head back. I offer to call her an Uber and she melts and blushes and says no, thanks. I see her off outside my apartment and we make out for some more time at almost 5 am in the morning on the street and she sends me a few texts after. I had never been so persistent in my life. Also, one thing I felt after talking to her so much is, by the time I finished, I almost had started liking her for not only her body but also as a person. She was a sweet feminine girl. World needs more of such girls, honestly.

This is good. Because one of the reasons why you were getting so much resistance was because she felt like you didn't understand her. But by building sexual rapport and sharing both of your values she finally felt special. You probably sub communicated that through your body language too

Because even though women love sex and could be okay with ONS, they will prefer to have one with someone the feel connected too

Great job @Shawn and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your future adventures
 

Calibration

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Aye!!!

Congrats on the lay @Shawn . I told you earlier that this was just the beginning 😉

The build up was great but like you said the seduction was hella sloppy. Big ups to you for sticking in there for 6 hours, but lets go over some things you could have done to shorten the seduction time



This was the first sign of resistance. When she stopped you from escalating with dancing. At this point int the interaction you should have shifted gears to try to understand why she may be objecting.... is it a lack of attraction, comfort or both?



This should have given you all the information you need. She thanked you after the kiss which means she was hella attracted to you but just nervous

At this point you should have switched to building more comfort not attraction



See... Again shows a lack of comfort. This means your escalation will not work until you address and underlying sexual hang up she is having



NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bro her issue was comfort and then you launch into arousal stuff and pumping up value. This was very bad and lowered your attainability

This made her even more skeptical about allowing herself to be seduced by you

What you needed her was to build "Sexual Comfort" not "Sexual Arousal" and one great way of doing that is launching into 2nd Generation Verbals before you begin escalating hard towards sex



No surprise there, because you were missing all her cues and she felt like you didn't get it



At this point you are almost begging for sex

If you communicated all these things earlier through stories and relating it would have hit so much better. But at this point it's like you are doing damage control and she is not buying into your BS



Called it



What did I say earlier? You pumped up value too much and made yourself seem unattainable



Okay at this point she is 100% convinced you are a Fuckboi




WOW!!

I hope you understand what just happened

She doesn't want to get with you because you are a fuckboi.... she wants to get with you because you are finally doing a good job of building sexual comfort

You had to PACE her on being a fuckboi to build trust and lower her defenses, then you LED her by building sexual comfort. All this mess could have been avoided if you just did it earlier



70% Lover and 30% Provider... You are finally starting to get the balance right

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YES!!! Because you escalated after you built the right amount of comfort and getting your attainability in the right place




Honestly, if you get the frame right, you can blow your load in 10 seconds and the girl will still want to see you again. Because at that point you are giving her a unique experience beyond sex and she wants to see how the story between you too will unfold

Women love unraveling a good mystery



This is good. Because one of the reasons why you were getting so much resistance was because she felt like you didn't understand her. But by building sexual rapport and sharing both of your values she finally felt special. You probably sub communicated that through your body language too

Because even though women love sex and could be okay with ONS, they will prefer to have one with someone the feel connected too

Great job @Shawn and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your future adventures
Honestly that was a great analysis @TomInHo . Your analysis made me smile cos her reaction was exactly like how you have described. Different stages of her reaction. Awesome!
Attainability!! I didn't even think of this. This lights a bulb in my head. I told her about how I have standards with a girl, like I don't hook up with girls who are tipsy and if someone is a serial smoker etc. Most importantly I told her an experience I had with a hot Latina on a date , when I ended the date cos she spoke something rudely about Uber/Cab drivers. She was all over me at that point. A few more examples of how I also have just female friends and how they respect me cos I understand them well etc.

Btw, @Skills also has mentioned a few times about second gen verbals. Not sure what that means. I haven't yet looked at the link that you shared from his website. I'll see both the link and the links which Skills shared earlier, sometime later today.

Also, honestly girls are confusing. With the last girl I had marathon sex but she ghosted me. But this girl is texting me just with 5 mins sex. Last night she has texted me at around 4 am. So strange.
 

Zoro

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She said I'm a fuckboy and she wants to leave. I said, if that is what you wish and then I pull her in and make out for some more time. Then she throws at me a shit load of shittests. It's 2 am already. I talk and talk and talk and try to convince and talk about how she has to live her life etc etc etc.. I'm not judgemental, I don't say these things to every girl, I don't fuck a lot of girls etc etc.

You accepted her frame as a fuck boy by debating it and by escalating more on her to distract her.

Cuddling would have done much better, but be wary that will get her more attached to you.

I would have answered, "Hey, relax and just be with me." and just brought her in close and hold her. Women are feeling vulnerable right after sex, and she was worried that she was just another lay, rather than a girl you would keep around and make her feel comfortable.
 
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1 and 2.- The whole point of the date structure me and pob were talking about and the whole point we suggested to read the sex talk material from teevester, was to avoid this... when you do the seduction properly there is minimal to no asd, the reason you got asd is that you did not do the work upfront by addressing possible upcoming issues, her objection was you being a fuck boy and fucking and dumping..... Watch this video for context. If she thought you are a fuckboy is a good thing that means you are coming across as a lover, though women usually don't bring this up unless you came across too strong (i used to have the same issue which is why i told you sometimes i do cheesy romantic talk), but the subcommunication is this guys have a lot of girls, he is very charming, but i just don't want to be another number..... But you cockblock yourself instead of addressing her objection, just re-inforcing her objection therefore you made her put a wall, yeah you persisted and got laid, but thinks like this can easily get you a false rape accusation, if you are not careful. Again the whole point of second gen is to get no lmr. I know you are overwhelmed with a lot of material, just try to play with this one only, after you can expand.... Do and try to repeat it couple of times till your feel comfortable doing the whole thing, with the additional routines i link together there (is a super cheat sheet of the whole teevester material) try to say it in your own words.

3.- Yeah happened to me similar many times, i go to clubs form 11 to 5 am, sometimes i am super exhausted when i pull, which is why i also got good at texting so i can fuck them after...., but again that was on you for you reinforcing fuckboy which was her objection... Imagine you are a sales man and a dude tell you i have not enough money for the mercedes, you as a salesman say no problem bring more money for a lamborgini... Retarded strategy

4.- yeah same format review this please:



and this when you are trying to escalate like you were:


and finally this:

Aye!!!

Congrats on the lay @Shawn . I told you earlier that this was just the beginning 😉

The build up was great but like you said the seduction was hella sloppy. Big ups to you for sticking in there for 6 hours, but lets go over some things you could have done to shorten the seduction time



This was the first sign of resistance. When she stopped you from escalating with dancing. At this point int the interaction you should have shifted gears to try to understand why she may be objecting.... is it a lack of attraction, comfort or both?



This should have given you all the information you need. She thanked you after the kiss which means she was hella attracted to you but just nervous

At this point you should have switched to building more comfort not attraction



See... Again shows a lack of comfort. This means your escalation will not work until you address and underlying sexual hang up she is having



NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Bro her issue was comfort and then you launch into arousal stuff and pumping up value. This was very bad and lowered your attainability

This made her even more skeptical about allowing herself to be seduced by you

What you needed her was to build "Sexual Comfort" not "Sexual Arousal" and one great way of doing that is launching into 2nd Generation Verbals before you begin escalating hard towards sex



No surprise there, because you were missing all her cues and she felt like you didn't get it



At this point you are almost begging for sex

If you communicated all these things earlier through stories and relating it would have hit so much better. But at this point it's like you are doing damage control and she is not buying into your BS



Called it



What did I say earlier? You pumped up value too much and made yourself seem unattainable



Okay at this point she is 100% convinced you are a Fuckboi




WOW!!

I hope you understand what just happened

She doesn't want to get with you because you are a fuckboi.... she wants to get with you because you are finally doing a good job of building sexual comfort

You had to PACE her on being a fuckboi to build trust and lower her defenses, then you LED her by building sexual comfort. All this mess could have been avoided if you just did it earlier



70% Lover and 30% Provider... You are finally starting to get the balance right

you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard.jpg%27%20border=%270%27%20alt=%27you-went-full-retard-never-go-full-retard%27




YES!!! Because you escalated after you built the right amount of comfort and getting your attainability in the right place




Honestly, if you get the frame right, you can blow your load in 10 seconds and the girl will still want to see you again. Because at that point you are giving her a unique experience beyond sex and she wants to see how the story between you too will unfold

Women love unraveling a good mystery



This is good. Because one of the reasons why you were getting so much resistance was because she felt like you didn't understand her. But by building sexual rapport and sharing both of your values she finally felt special. You probably sub communicated that through your body language too

Because even though women love sex and could be okay with ONS, they will prefer to have one with someone the feel connected too

Great job @Shawn and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your future adventures
I had to go through those links that you both sent a few times and now I get what second gen verbals are.

"She doesnt KNOW she isnt a slut
She doesn’t KNOW without any doubt at all that you are secret society
She doesn’t KNOW what you think about sex (maybe you are just fluking it, shes seen it before)
She doesn’t KNOW that you can operate on her level of thought (completely or to what extent)
She doesn’t KNOW if you can be sophisticated or intelligent sexually (or if you are an unguided bulldozer)

And when you only do non-verbal none of those doubts get addressed

So you make the LEAP that if you address them, it might change things

Ok, so that is a hypothesis!
But does it ACTUALLY change things IF you address those concerns girls have?

Thats what you test.
You VERBALISE she isnt a slut (though not directly)
You VERBALISE your understanding of her secret society view on life
You VERBALISE feelings on sex
You VERBALISE the extent of your mind and its workings equal to hers
You VERBALISE a level of intelligence and sophistication regarding approaches you have

And by verbalising FREE HER FROM HAVING TO ASSUME OR GUESS ABOUT THE FACTS
She is then RELIEVED of having to guess
and thusly can INTERNALISE beliefs she would have otheerwise DOUBTED or not internalised beecause of fear of being wrong
"

From what I remember, I kind of verbalised all of the above. However, she wasn't buying any of that. Only thing I did a mistake probably was, I didn't pre-emptively verbalise it instead did it reactively when she started displaying ASD. Do you think that'd make a difference? If so, how can I bring it up pre-emptively without a context?

Funny thing is, I went on an instant date today with a HOT Slovenian chic just now and I was trying my best to not come across as supplicating cos of her beauty. Honestly, I must admit that it was hard not to. She was insanely HOT. This was the first time I met a HOT girl from Balkans. I had always heard about them but today for the first time I experienced how insanely beautiful girls from Balkans are. From my last interaction with the 10 German girl, I thought I should contain my emotions like @Will_V had suggested. I took her on an instant date for 4 hours. Walked fucking 15 kms. She wouldn't stop anywhere to sit and she loved walking. She was very open minded who mentioned to me that she has done a lot of crazy things. I tried bouncing her before any sex talk and she refused. I thought I should just go with the flow and continued with walking. I went very light on sex talk this time. Just the secret society stuff and she absolutely loved it. I started massive physical escalation rubbing her neck and I thought I've primed her enough and went for a kiss in a park and she said pulled away. I joked saying, blame it on your neck, its very sexy and I paced her and said yes, I understand its too early and I've met you only 2 hours ago and I came up with second gen verbals saying "I don't like sex" and she said "really?" and so I said, "Yes, I like sex with Passion with a lot of sexual tension and denying orgasm time after time and then the pinnacle of orgasm is insane and I love the passion". She kinda liked what I was saying but it didn't come across as genuine. I noticed it myself that I was spitting what I had read. How can I internalise what I say? It was honestly hard to bring up sex talk. One for the reason that my mind was going blank looking at her and the other she was kind of pulling her to me to her frame by making me walk a lot. She said she loved walking and it was really hard to talk when walking.

BTW, I wish I had known you guys a couple of years ago and especially @Skills :cool: I didn't have to be an involuntary celibate for more than a year. I can't thank you enough @Skills. Since I know what to text, I don't try too hard to bounce home and pull from instant date like in the past and come across needy. I'm very confident when interacting with chics. I'd think, if you're not coming home now, I know how to seduce you over text. (Call me cocky but its ok :D) I used to feel so anxious when a text popped up on my phone from a girl thinking if I'll fuck up and obviously I would. I have 100s of phone numbers which didn't go anywhere. Now, most girls respond to my texts. You've just changed my life :)

You accepted her frame her as a fuck boy by debating it and by escalating more on her to distract her.

Cuddling would have done much better, but be wary that will get her more attached to you.

I would have answered, "Hey, relax and just be with me." and just brought her in close and hold her. Women are feeling vulnerable right after sex, and she was worried that she was just another lay, rather than a girl you would keep around and make her feel comfortable.

Ah that was her biggest concern and like @TomInHo and @Skills mentioned, I was adding fuel to fire. TBH, I still don't get how to fix ASD. I probably need to fail a few more times before I learn. I'm a practical person and I learn only by doing. So, no easy way out for me :oops:
 

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BTW, I wish I had known you guys a couple of years ago and especially @Skills :cool: I didn't have to be an involuntary celibate for more than a year. I can't thank you enough @Skills. Since I know what to text, I don't try too hard to bounce home and pull from instant date like in the past and come across needy. I'm very confident when interacting with chics. I'd think, if you're not coming home now, I know how to seduce you over text. (Call me cocky but its ok :D) I used to feel so anxious when a text popped up on my phone from a girl thinking if I'll fuck up and obviously I would. I have 100s of phone numbers which didn't go anywhere. Now, most girls respond to my texts. You've just changed my life :)

@Skills text game is fantastic, I also hate texting (still do) but his stuff has assisted me immensely. I've also started to try and reduce it as much as possible (as Chase advises, keeping it focused on short intervals of building rapport and then focus on logistics). I think I've lost too many girls with roundabout texting even if it wasn't overly bad.

I joked saying, blame it on your neck, its very sexy and I paced her and said yes, I understand its too early and I've met you only 2 hours ago and I came up with second gen verbals saying "I don't like sex" and she said "really?" and so I said, "Yes, I like sex with Passion with a lot of sexual tension and denying orgasm time after time and then the pinnacle of orgasm is insane and I love the passion". She kinda liked what I was saying but it didn't come across as genuine. I noticed it myself that I was spitting what I had read. How can I internalise what I say? It was honestly hard to bring up sex talk. One for the reason that my mind was going blank looking at her and the other she was kind of pulling her to me to her frame by making me walk a lot. She said she loved walking and it was really hard to talk when walking.

Use your sexual experiences to ground your frame. You just laid a hot german girl after six hours of sexual tension, you shouldn't have any trouble talking it up. When you're talking to women, think of all the times you've fucked other women as you talk, and express all the good things you experienced. She'll get that unmistakable tone of a man who's been through some memorable times, and she'll start imagining herself in there too.

When it comes to her pulling you into her frame, one of the best things is to start leading and taking control of things. Tease her, bump into her, touch her, guide her with your hands, make her stop and sit down, make her look at things, change the subject. Be brusque if you have to. Get her in the flow of following your lead. You're not some farmer who lost his cow and you're wandering around wherever it goes, trying to figure out how to make it go home.
 

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From what I remember, I kind of verbalised all of the above. However, she wasn't buying any of that. Only thing I did a mistake probably was, I didn't pre-emptively verbalise it instead did it reactively when she started displaying ASD. Do you think that'd make a difference? If so, how can I bring it up pre-emptively without a context?


^ i always get from guys i teach this, similar objection, which is why i told @TomInHo to explain this to you.... Problem is TIMIMG you did this as damage control which could lower power a lot cause come across as damage control vs sexual comfort pre-escalation to sex... get it? TIMING


Funny thing is, I went on an instant date today with a HOT Slovenian chic just now and I was trying my best to not come across as supplicating cos of her beauty. Honestly, I must admit that it was hard not to. She was insanely HOT. This was the first time I met a HOT girl from Balkans. I had always heard about them but today for the first time I experienced how insanely beautiful girls from Balkans are. From my last interaction with the 10 German girl, I thought I should contain my emotions like @Will_V had suggested. I took her on an instant date for 4 hours. Walked fucking 15 kms. She wouldn't stop anywhere to sit and she loved walking. She was very open minded who mentioned to me that she has done a lot of crazy things. I tried bouncing her before any sex talk and she refused. I thought I should just go with the flow and continued with walking. I went very light on sex talk this time. Just the secret society stuff and she absolutely loved it. I started massive physical escalation rubbing her neck and I thought I've primed her enough and went for a kiss in a park and she said pulled away. I joked saying, blame it on your neck, its very sexy and I paced her and said yes, I understand its too early and I've met you only 2 hours ago and I came up with second gen verbals saying "I don't like sex" and she said "really?" and so I said, "Yes, I like sex with Passion with a lot of sexual tension and denying orgasm time after time and then the pinnacle of orgasm is insane and I love the passion". She kinda liked what I was saying but it didn't come across as genuine. I noticed it myself that I was spitting what I had read. How can I internalise what I say? It was honestly hard to bring up sex talk. One for the reason that my mind was going blank looking at her and the other she was kind of pulling her to me to her frame by making me walk a lot. She said she loved walking and it was really hard to talk when walking.
I explain in one of the links that this is the hardest part, and gave you couple of ways to bring it up and told you to practice in your own words, transitioning is the hardest part, but once you do it becomes easy...

BTW, I wish I had known you guys a couple of years ago and especially @Skills :cool: I didn't have to be an involuntary celibate for more than a year. I can't thank you enough @Skills. Since I know what to text, I don't try too hard to bounce home and pull from instant date like in the past and come across needy. I'm very confident when interacting with chics. I'd think, if you're not coming home now, I know how to seduce you over text. (Call me cocky but its ok :D) I used to feel so anxious when a text popped up on my phone from a girl thinking if I'll fuck up and obviously I would. I have 100s of phone numbers which didn't go anywhere. Now, most girls respond to my texts. You've just changed my life :)

^ i have been going on and on, on how bad the community texting is for almost 10 years, ugly fights in 3 different forums about this...


joked saying, blame it on your neck, its very sexy and I paced her and said yes, I understand its too early and I've met you only 2 hours ago and I came up with second gen verbals saying "I don't like sex" and she said "really?" and so I said, "Yes, I like sex with Passion with a lot of sexual tension and denying orgasm time after time and then the pinnacle of orgasm is insane and I love the passion".


just next time to be more potent after she says "really" you say in fact i hate sex, what i like is really good sex, i have standards i hope you do too, much dudes do what i call macdonald sex, you know what macdonalds sex is? then you explain bang bang thank you mammm, what i really like is passionate sex......... Do you know most guys don't know we can have 8 different type of orgasms with the right guy>> whatever her answer does not matter then you launch into the routing (all of this is from teevester is on the link dude)
 
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@Skills text game is fantastic, I also hate texting (still do) but his stuff has assisted me immensely. I've also started to try and reduce it as much as possible (as Chase advises, keeping it focused on short intervals of building rapport and then focus on logistics). I think I've lost too many girls with roundabout texting even if it wasn't overly bad.
I have lost count of texting game methods I've read but there's no match to @Skills I'm not bad at flirting or teasing but I didn't have a structure. Like Skills pointed out in one of the posts, I was a one trick pony, teasing and teasing endlessly until she ghosted me or blocked me without closing or with a direction and most importantly forgetting why I'm texting. So, I used to think "fuck it" and just open > close with a redpill mindset that if she likes me, she'll come out or fuck her.
Use your sexual experiences to ground your frame. You just laid a hot german girl after six hours of sexual tension, you shouldn't have any trouble talking it up. When you're talking to women, think of all the times you've fucked other women as you talk, and express all the good things you experienced. She'll get that unmistakable tone of a man who's been through some memorable times, and she'll start imagining herself in there too.
Nice. That's a good mindset to adopt.
As it is sex talk is hard and with this girl being so hot, I was literally fumbling for words when I had to bring up sex talk. I tried at least 5 times and just when I thought of seguing into sex talk, my heart would race and I say something dumb or irrelevant. For ex: once I asked, are you passionate? (I was thinking of seguing into passion in sex) but as she made eye contact, I asked "what are you passionate about in life?" Lol. But finally after I went for the kiss, although she rejected, I got comfortable in verbal escalation since I broke the barrier somehow and made it very very man-woman and physical escalation is my biggest strength (many girls have told me that I'm very good with touching). Anyway, I hope I can do better in future.
When it comes to her pulling you into her frame, one of the best things is to start leading and taking control of things. Tease her, bump into her, touch her, guide her with your hands, make her stop and sit down, make her look at things, change the subject. Be brusque if you have to.
Tbh, I was a bit hesitant to do all of this since I thought she'll end the date if I try hard to pull into my frame. I normally have no problem with girls who are not this HOT. Call it supplicating but it ya what it is, unfortunately.
Get her in the flow of following your lead. You're not some farmer who lost his cow and you're wandering around wherever it goes, trying to figure out how to make it go home.
Haha. I honestly love your analogies. If I have to learn a concept, analogies are my friend. This was excellent. I'll remember this when leading next time.
^ i always get from guys i teach this, similar objection, which is why i told @TomInHo to explain this to you.... Problem is TIMIMG you did this as damage control which could lower power a lot cause come across as damage control vs sexual comfort pre-escalation to sex... get it? TIMING
Yes. But one thing still confuses me. I asked her:
1. Do you feel I'll judge you? She said no.
2. Do you think someone will know that you were with me? She said no. Obviously it's not a reason since I met her through cold approach.
3. I asked if she's not attracted to me? She said no, she is attracted.
4. Are you religious? She said no.
5. Do you have hangups about not having sex on the first date? She said no.
6. I asked are you on your period? She said no.
7. I asked if you're worried that you may have not shaved etc? She said no.
8. I asked her what is she then scared of? She said she doesn't know o_O WTF???
I explain in one of the links that this is the hardest part, and gave you couple of ways to bring it up and told you to practice in your own words, transitioning is the hardest part, but once you do it becomes easy...
Lol. I was trying really hard to remember that from your post but my mind was going blank. I remembered you saying you're half Italian and half something and you don't like sex but passionate sex. But how do I bring this up out of nowhere? Without context?
^ i have been going on and on, on how bad the community texting is for almost 10 years, ugly fights in 3 different forums about this...
After being on both sides of worst texting and good texting, I should admit that texting is hard without structure. Unlike in real life, just one dumb text and it's game over. You have seen my texts with the traveling girl. I have fucked up a lot. I realised recently that texting is a big "shit test". Girls are not emotional over text since there is no eye contact or physical escalation. They think very very logically and they're testing your value, neediness, pre-selection, social aptitude, social-proof, charisma and whole lot of other things. That's the reason they give numbers easily so that they know they can catch you easily over text.
just next time to be more potent after she says "really" you say in fact i hate sex, what i like is really good sex, i have standards i hope you do too, much dudes do what i call macdonald sex, you know what macdonalds sex is? then you explain bang bang thank you mammm, what i really like is passionate sex......... Do you know most guys don't know we can have 8 different type of orgasms with the right guy>> whatever her answer does not matter then you launch into the routing (all of this is from teevester is on the link dude)
I did say to her about 8 different types of orgasms and her eyes opened wide but my throat went dry after that. So, changed the topic. Lol.
 
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UPDATE: Happy ending!

I thought I'll post this since it provides context to what we were discussing post lay, regarding LMR and her ASD etc and a lot of interesting stuff.

So, as mentioned in my OP, we exchanged a few texts after she returned home. I thought its done deal since the lay was bad but surprise! surprise! she invests more than me over text as you can see below:



This time she comes right on time at 7PM sharp. I go receive her in the lobby and kiss her on the cheek. She looks insanely gorgeous, very different from what I had seen her last time, in a sexy yoga pant and sexy loose shirt. I look at her in the lift and her face is red as an apple blushing. Once she removes shoes she goes straight to the balcony as if she owns the place. I find it very amusing compared to how she was last time. I just play along. I go to the balcony and just stand next to her doing basic chit-chat. After a couple of mins, she looks at me and starts making out. I was a bit surprised but I found it very adorable the way she was behaving. Like a little girl trying to prove a point or show confidence. There were a lot of people looking at us on our balcony but she doesn't give a fuck and starts running her hands all over me and strokes my cock from outside my trouser. She had turned very wild. Now, it was clear to me what she was trying to do.

@TomInHo mentioned about attainability with this girl. In the past couple of days, I was pulling my hair out thinking why would she have attainability problems with me. I never thought that can be a problem for me lol ...cos in the past couple of years, I've been rejected 1000s of times in person or over text due to bad texting (3-5 approaches a day for 2+ years). I can't even imagine someone like her would have attainability problems with me cos for guys who like blonde girls, she is a 10. I like brunettes more than blondes (like the Slovenian girl I mentioned earlier). She has a cute af face with green eyes, a body to die for, tall, thigh-gap, sexy ass and everything else proportionate, skin as soft as a baby's skin. She is from an up class family back home and very feminine who doesn't drink alcohol, smoke and has lived a very luxurious life. On the other hand I look average or maybe a bit above average but not your tall model looking dude. I'm almost her height or a bit shorter than her. I dress well and take care of myself well.

She like a little girl announces her sexuality and confidence to everyone looking at us in the balcony with a lot of PDA for almost 30mins.
Then I offer to get her a drink (only drink she drinks, coke.. lol). Then we come inside and after sipping coke, we start making out again. I ask her, "what is the max you've orgasmed in one session?". She says 3. For which, I say "Lets break that record today". All her cockiness disappears in a sec and looks at me with doe eyes like a little girl and says "You know I'm not experienced. right?". I roll my eyes and say "again?". So, she says "Sorry, sorry, sorry... I didn't mean to upset you but please be gentle". We make out for sometime and she is still nervous af but tries her best to appear confident. Then it was a wild marathon sex of 4 hours (if you see the time stamp). I went down on her until she orgasmed twice and then fucked her wild for a couple more hours taking breaks until she orgasmed twice more. She was calling me Lion throughout (English is not her first language but listening to that was adorable) She left a lot of scratches on my back and would bite my fingers hard with pleasure. She was exhausted but I was not done. It was 11 PM. I had used 3 condoms so far. After some more foreplay, I reached out my hand to the drawer to grab another condom and she quickly jumps out of the bed and says "she'll die if she does anything anymore". I didn't orgasm. I was still horny af but looking at her, I was sure she can't handle it anymore. She is the most naturally submissive, feminine girl with the tightest pussy I've ever been with. She asked me "What does she want me to do and she'll do that" and then she asks every now and then if she is doing it right? Like when giving a blowjob etc. She puts on clothes quickly before I launch into another round and comes and lays next to me like a little girl. She looks deep into my eyes and says "Look I can look at your eyes without turning away now". We talk for around 30mins and she again confirmed asking "You don't like me only for my body right?" and I cuddle her a lot and comfort her saying "Of course not. I don't like relationships but I don't have sex without connection" and she says "that is very cute". I ask her, what changed? Why were you hesitant last time and today you were ok. So, the moment of truth: She says, she was blown away at my confidence for approaching her in Starbucks and talking to her for that long and that was already hard to handle. To top it, I talked about sex which scared her a lot. She said she is not very sexual but she gets turned on by confidence and dominance. She said she was scared that she wouldn't be able to keep up with my confidence. She mentioned that she is generally a confident person in career and life choices but this was not the same. I always thought attainability relates to looks, fame, social status and money but never thought there is attainability problems for this. Then I asked her again, so what changed this time? She mentioned that, she thought about it a lot and felt it was right that she should overcome her fear to experience pleasures in life. Also, she talked to a couple of friends and they encouraged to do it.
As @Will_V and @Skills had suggested, I offered her to stay back the night and having breakfast next morning but she refused and when I offered her to take Uber, she refused that as well. So, I dropped her off to the main entrance and she went home so joyously like she had earned a trophy. It was very adorable. I think I like blondes too now :p

I know I still have a lot to learn but thanks everyone for helping me so far. This forum is amazing.
 
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Seduction IS hard.
This is why it's easier to throw your hands in the air and go red/black pill or MGTOW.
To make you feel better, usually when that overload happens it's because you are on the verge of a major breakthrough!
If I were you, I would get a quick break from approaching and study in-depth the material I showed you in my previous comment.
Also take that time to do some meditation and positive affirmations to improve your state before you go back out there.
Damn, I love to be right in my predictions :cool:
You put in the work, you sure deserve it.
Keep us posted, it's really nice to see your progress.
 

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UPDATE: Happy ending!

I thought I'll post this since it provides context to what we were discussing post lay, regarding LMR and her ASD etc and a lot of interesting stuff.

So, as mentioned in my OP, we exchanged a few texts after she returned home. I thought its done deal since the lay was bad but surprise! surprise! she invests more than me over text as you can see below:



This time she comes right on time at 7PM sharp. I go receive her in the lobby and kiss her on the cheek. She looks insanely gorgeous, very different from what I had seen her last time, in a sexy yoga pant and sexy loose shirt. I look at her in the lift and her face is red as an apple blushing. Once she removes shoes she goes straight to the balcony as if she owns the place. I find it very amusing compared to how she was last time. I just play along. I go to the balcony and just stand next to her doing basic chit-chat. After a couple of mins, she looks at me and starts making out. I was a bit surprised but I found it very adorable the way she was behaving. Like a little girl trying to prove a point or show confidence. There were a lot of people looking at us on our balcony but she doesn't give a fuck and starts running her hands all over me and strokes my cock from outside my trouser. She had turned very wild. Now, it was clear to me what she was trying to do.

@TomInHo mentioned about attainability with this girl. In the past couple of days, I was pulling my hair out thinking why would she have attainability problems with me. I never thought that can be a problem for me lol ...cos in the past couple of years, I've been rejected 1000s of times in person or over text due to bad texting (3-5 approaches a day for 2+ years). I can't even imagine someone like her would have attainability problems with me cos for guys who like blonde girls, she is a 10. I like brunettes more than blondes (like the Slovenian girl I mentioned earlier). She has a cute af face with green eyes, a body to die for, tall, thigh-gap, sexy ass and everything else proportionate, skin as soft as a baby's skin. She is from an up class family back home and very feminine who doesn't drink alcohol, smoke and has lived a very luxurious life. On the other hand I look average or maybe a bit above average but not your tall model looking dude. I'm almost her height or a bit shorter than her. I dress well and take care of myself well.

She like a little girl announces her sexuality and confidence to everyone looking at us in the balcony with a lot of PDA for almost 30mins.
Then I offer to get her a drink (only drink she drinks, coke.. lol). Then we come inside and after sipping coke, we start making out again. I ask her, "what is the max you've orgasmed in one session?". She says 3. For which, I say "Lets break that record today". All her cockiness disappears in a sec and looks at me with doe eyes like a little girl and says "You know I'm not experienced. right?". I roll my eyes and say "again?". So, she says "Sorry, sorry, sorry... I didn't mean to upset you but please be gentle". We make out for sometime and she is still nervous af but tries her best to appear confident. Then it was a wild marathon sex of 4 hours (if you see the time stamp). I went down on her until she orgasmed twice and then fucked her wild for a couple more hours taking breaks until she orgasmed twice more. She was calling me Lion throughout (English is not her first language but listening to that was adorable) She left a lot of scratches on my back and would bite my fingers hard with pleasure. She was exhausted but I was not done. It was 11 PM. I had used 3 condoms so far. After some more foreplay, I reached out my hand to the drawer to grab another condom and she quickly jumps out of the bed and says "she'll die if she does anything anymore". I didn't orgasm. I was still horny af but looking at her, I was sure she can't handle it anymore. She is the most naturally submissive, feminine girl with the tightest pussy I've ever been with. She asked me "What does she want me to do and she'll do that" and then she asks every now and then if she is doing it right? Like when giving a blowjob etc. She puts on clothes quickly before I launch into another round and comes and lays next to me like a little girl. She looks deep into my eyes and says "Look I can look at your eyes without turning away now". We talk for around 30mins and she again confirmed asking "You don't like me only for my body right?" and I cuddle her a lot and comfort her saying "Of course not. I don't like relationships but I don't have sex without connection" and she says "that is very cute". I ask her, what changed? Why were you hesitant last time and today you were ok. So, the moment of truth: She says, she was blown away at my confidence for approaching her in Starbucks and talking to her for that long and that was already hard to handle. To top it, I talked about sex which scared her a lot. She said she is not very sexual but she gets turned on by confidence and dominance. She said she was scared that she wouldn't be able to keep up with my confidence. She mentioned that she is generally a confident person in career and life choices but this was not the same. I always thought attainability relates to looks, fame, social status and money but never thought there is attainability problems for this. Then I asked her again, so what changed this time? She mentioned that, she thought about it a lot and felt it was right that she should overcome her fear to experience pleasures in life. Also, she talked to a couple of friends and they encouraged to do it.
As @Will_V and @Skills had suggested, I offered her to stay back the night and having breakfast next morning but she refused and when I offered her to take Uber, she refused that as well. So, I dropped her off to the main entrance and she went home so joyously like she had earned a trophy. It was very adorable. I think I like blondes too now :p

I know I still have a lot to learn but thanks everyone for helping me so far. This forum is amazing.
good job! the breakfast in the morning stuff, is usually if you want to make the girl main/gf, or if you want to accelerate the 3 fuck rules for retention or as plausible deniability to fuck her again in the morning when your testosterone levels and horniness highest... there was not really a need for that.... If you drive offering ubber may fall into "feeling like a slut" territory which is why she refused....
 
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