FR PaprikaBabe

[Marty]

Recently, PrettyDecent and I were discussing how once you become accustomed to the discipline of Day Game, as soon as you turn your hand to "after-hours activities" (Night-Street Game and classic, venue-based Night Game) the first few steps seem incredibly easy: opening, banter, brief rapport-building, hard compliance screening, moving the girl, and sometimes no more than a perfunctory nod in the deep-dive direction to establish a connection.

The girls are receptive, they know why they're out and what they're looking for, and the key is to lead strongly and decisively—which Day Game teaches you in a much less forgiving environment. However, closing still requires strict adherence to process together with an accurate read of her escalation windows, and while I am struggling with that I have no doubt that regular practice will deliver results.

This report is barely FR-worthy... planting one on a girl's lips in the after-hours hardly merits inclusion, even if I did it within 15 minutes of meeting her, and it is notable for nothing but the fact that it is my first classic (venue) Night Game sortie and I want to place a stake in the ground, as well as conducting a postmortem analysis of my errors and areas of improvement for the future.

I got out of bed around 1.30 AM, dressed and drove to the Midtown district. My intention was to run street game, but I somehow slipped into a nightclub without paying cover (don't ask me how... it just happened) and checked the place out. Other than organized business/social functions, I had actually not set foot in a nightclub for over 14 years. It being Thanksgiving week, half the place was shut down and what was left was fairly tame (the streets had been the same hence my snap decision to abandon Night Street Game and check out the club).

Pretty soon I saw what I wanted—two girls mooching around the bar area looking distracted. One of them attracted me by the look in her eyes. We will call here PaprikaBabe, as she is Hungarian, spicy and has flame-red hair! Somehow I manage to open a disproportionate number of expatriate women, in Day Game too... there must be some reason behind it, but I can't figure out what it is.

Music was LOUD and I opened using nothing but body language. For some reason I had thought PaprikaBabe wouldn't open; she seemed not to be particularly approachable, but she opened for me very readily—a good reminder that under the veneer of makeup and a "strict look", girls are just girls: silly and cute

We started getting to know each other. This presented some difficulty owing to the noise level; I used the opportunity to talk in her ear to gain touch compliance but after two or three rounds, I figured it was not conducive to intelligent conversation. Also, she was asking too many questions of me, and I wanted to get her under the spotlight instead, so I immediately moved her outside to the porch.

Once outside I put on my black, form-fitting Cole Haan overcoat that I picked up at a quarter of the retail price in TJ Maxx. Women seem to love it... we've got a whole winter ahead of us, girls! There were plenty of clubbing bozos going around in shirtsleeves in thirty degrees Fahrenheit, so it was nice to differentiate myself a little. What a bunch of idiots.

A word on cockblock prevention: Her companion, whom she introduced as her best friend, indicated by body language that she was good with me moving her outside. A few minutes later, she came to check up on PaprikaBabe; I introduced myself properly (the noise level having prevented that indoors) and it was almost as if she didn't want to take my hand, so as not to upstage her friend... she disappeared again and left us to it a moment later.

The companion had a good figure with a massive cleavage, and the thought occurred to me that maybe she gets generally approached first when they are together, but she was much shorter than PaprikaBabe, and I like my girls tall and willowy, so after I had indicated the direction of my initial interest the thought of jumping ship didn't even cross my mind. However, when she was looking away and I was pretty sure she could see me in her peripherals, I did politely check out her assets for a couple seconds, in order to cement the impression of a sexual man and reassure her that PaprikaBabe was in good hands

This is the 4th time (out of 4 after-hours outings) that the "friend(s)" either did not cockblock at all, offered only token defense or actively encouraged the girl; before I tried this stuff I was having visions of girls being physically yanked away by their friends as happened to me in social circle, but it seems that the processes outlined on this site really do work!

PaprikaBabe launched into a deep-dive almost unsolicited, started qualifying herself left and right, and readily offered compliance with sampling her drink and lots of kino. She also mentioned a boyfriend in New York. On account of the sultry vibe, I decided to find out just how fast I could escalate, and frankly I pushed it too fast, skipping over steps like crazy and unfortunately inducing ego depletion in the girl. On the porch I had my arm around her, gave her numerous cheek-kisses and she was holding my hand and pressing up against me.

This is where I lost the plot. I suggested we go for a walk and she took her drink with her and followed my lead. I'd already gotten enough moving compliance, and our location on the porch had been cozy and settled, if not totally isolated. I should have escalated the kino gradually in situ and gotten really horny to the point where she couldn't control herself. Lesson: don't move a girl out of the venue until she's ready to be pulled.

As we walked she commented on my "sexy voice". Once we reached an isolated location I asked for a proper kiss but she demurred, saying she wasn't "feeling it"... such a blatant lie that I was left speechless for a moment. She checked her phone and said she'd need to turn back to rejoin her friend. That's the third time I've verbalized going for the kiss and I have resolved never to do it again. Even with the mistake of moving her out of the venue prematurely, if I'd gone for a manhandle kiss I'm 80% sure I'd have gotten it.

I induced a gratuitous "logic kick-in" by explicitly suggesting something "forbidden"; confirming this hypothesis, when I challenged her directly, pointing out that she was obviously turned on, she conceded this point but said that she had an agreement with her boyfriend that she wouldn't kiss other men. Big mistake on my part, but it does eradicate all doubt in my mind that girls often have strong unconscious desires that they suppress if you allow them to engage conscious thought.

I probably should have attempted a pull around that point, on reflection... I had nothing to lose. Anyway, on the way back to the venue she started saying "Why do you have to have such a sexy voice all the time? Can't you just talk... a bit less sexy... just for a moment?" Again I kinda screwed up, because I should've asked if it was turning her on and then manhandle kissed her, and pulled to a "nice and warm" place. Being unfamiliar with the situation, I descended into banter which rather broke the spell.

In front of the nightclub she started telling me that she was afraid she'd do something she'd regret, and then be sorry in the morning, and remember her wretched New York boyfriend; and I don't yet have enough practice in closing process to simply ignore these objections and lead her. It's coming... I feel it's tantalizingly close already, and the whole process is kinda addictive too. Anyway, this was the point when I simply drew her in for a kiss on the lips, and she seemed to like it. She didn't open up for a decent open-mouth kiss but... that's my fault as previously indicated.

Her companion reappeared and started thanking me profusely for bringing PaprikaBabe back in one piece. I'd been wondering if I hadn't completely done a full job of getting her comfortable with me before I isolated PaprikaGirl, but it's a moot point anyway. I made some desultory efforts to regain PaprikaBabe's attention but by this point she was arguing with a bouncer and generally in a neurotic state and the magic was gone. She seemed like a genuinely nice person and though I wasn't crazy for her romantically, it's a pity I shan't see her again.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Why don't you run more night game Marty? I think you'd be killing it in the right venue. Obviously since you did one approach.

This report is barely FR-worthy... planting one on a girl's lips in the after-hours hardly merits inclusion, even if I did it within 15 minutes of meeting her, and it is notable for nothing but the fact that it is my first classic (venue) Night Game sortie and I want to place a stake in the ground, as well as conducting a postmortem analysis of my errors and areas of improvement for the future.

Also idk why you say this isn't FR-worthy isn't this this the fastest you've ever kissed a girl? In my view rapid escalation of any sort is worth posting. Though I should probably take a lesson of humbleness from you after that last LR. "FIRST LR EVER!!!!" like that isn't a bitch slap in the face to everyone trying to climb the mountain of just ridding A.A.

Other than that, and as you know, you shouldn't have talked about the escalation fail (verbal fail lol) and just ignored it like Alek talked about in his article on "what to do if women resist your charms".

Cheers homie

-Rob

 

[PrettyDecent]

Glad to hear you're feeling better, Marty! I remember you said you'd be back for some nightgame when you were back to health.

but I somehow slipped into a nightclub without paying cover

Nice haha.

From what I've read, this girl definitely was very interested in you. How long was it between you moving her to the porch and going for a walk?

I'm still cracking the nut on LMR, but I've been gathering up some info I'm about to try this week (took the last week or so off from active approaching):

- Chase's comment to me here: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-k ... ment-17797

"As for LMR in public when you're escalating, you usually want to counter this by demanding some kind of compliance - e.g., take her hand and say, "Come here," and then move her a little bit to show her something completely non-sexual that is nevertheless interesting - some part of the environment, something with the stars, etc. Then once that's done, resume escalation again."

- If she doesn't let you kiss her on the lips, keep feeling her up/breathing on her neck/kissing foreplay kind of deal. Some women have objections with kissing, but won't stop you with otherwise more sexual things (like rubbing her pussy, even). And the girl you were with was in a relationship, so this may be more valid, even.

Anyway, on the way back to the venue she started saying "Why do you have to have such a sexy voice all the time? Can't you just talk... a bit less sexy... just for a moment?"

That's auto-rejection, plain and simple. But it is important to remember - when you are building sexual tension, be 100% sexual. If you're showing warmth, be 100% warm - your fundamentals will always keep a certain amount of sexual tension automatically. It makes the conversation (and your persona) feel more genuine, and the sexual moments feel more sexual. It sounds like something basic, but the impact is noticeable.

~Nick

 

[Grand Pooba]

Marty,

Read this awesome field report while at the gym, and couldn't wait to find time to comment!

Recently, PrettyDecent and I were discussing how once you become accustomed to the discipline of Day Game, as soon as you turn your hand to "after-hours activities" (Night-Street Game and classic, venue-based Night Game) the first few steps seem incredibly easy: opening, banter, brief rapport-building, hard compliance screening, moving the girl, and sometimes no more than a perfunctory nod in the deep-dive direction to establish a connection.

The girls are receptive, they know why they're out and what they're looking for, and the key is to lead strongly and decisively—which Day Game teaches you in a much less forgiving environment. However, closing still requires strict adherence to process together with an accurate read of her escalation windows, and while I am struggling with that I have no doubt that regular practice will deliver results.

You seem to be on the cusp of finding the key to consistent success, and thank you for outlining how. Definitely feel like I can use this piece of method and advice at this stage in my own process.

planting one on a girl's lips in the after-hours hardly merits inclusion, even if I did it within 15 minutes of meeting her

Way to move fast! Awesome.

Music was LOUD and I opened using nothing but body language. For some reason I had thought PaprikaBabe wouldn't open; she seemed not to be particularly approachable, but she opened for me very readily—a good reminder that under the veneer of makeup and a "strict look", girls are just girls: silly and cute

Can you describe your opener using body language? Judging by this piece, and also this...

This is the 4th time (out of 4 after-hours outings) that the "friend(s)" either did not cockblock at all, offered only token defense or actively encouraged the girl; before I tried this stuff I was having visions of girls being physically yanked away by their friends as happened to me in social circle, but it seems that the processes outlined on this site really do work!

...you're definitely exuding a sexy vibe of someone she wants to meet. I bet your fundamentals are spot on and consistent, and you are good at building sexual tension. I was just reading Chase's article on Sexual Tension (https://www.girlschase.com/content/sexua ... -and-randy), and this stuck out:

"[Good Sexual Tension] is the magnetic pull between two individuals that combines charisma and desire and mutual interest and makes it something great than all of those things.

And when other people see it between you and a girl - when they can tell it is mutual, and that she truly desire you, and you truly desire her - they get out of the way."

Nice work Marty.

I induced a gratuitous "logic kick-in" by explicitly suggesting something "forbidden"; confirming this hypothesis, when I challenged her directly, pointing out that she was obviously turned on, she conceded this point but said that she had an agreement with her boyfriend that she wouldn't kiss other men. Big mistake on my part, but it does eradicate all doubt in my mind that girls often have strong unconscious desires that they suppress if you allow them to engage conscious thought.

Yeah, you pointed it out that you instigated conscious thought, and she now had to save face a bit.

Anyway, on the way back to the venue she started saying "Why do you have to have such a sexy voice all the time? Can't you just talk... a bit less sexy... just for a moment?" Again I kinda screwed up, because I should've asked if it was turning her on and then manhandle kissed her, and pulled to a "nice and warm" place.

Start of Auto-rejection.

In front of the nightclub she started telling me that she was afraid she'd do something she'd regret, and then be sorry in the morning, and remember her wretched New York boyfriend; and I don't yet have enough practice in closing process to simply ignore these objections and lead her.

More auto-rejection on her part.

by this point she was arguing with a bouncer and generally in a neurotic state and the magic was gone.

Hahaha, what in the WORLD did you DO to her?? ;-)

Great FR man, it was a pleasure to read.

 

[Marty]

Friends:

As ever I am touched at the upbeat tone and enthusiasm of your responses to what I thought had been a mediocre field outing! You've given me some helpful pointers, and equally importantly, you've gotten a discussion going on certain important elements of game. Nick, Ozzo, Rob: what follows is an attempt to address what everyone wrote. Thank you.

Why don't you run more night game Marty? I think you'd be killing it in the right venue. Obviously since you did one approach.

Hey Rob. I'm itching to do more. Part of it is the venue aspect... my city has a cocktail lounge which apparently charges $20 admission for men, and zero for women. When I heard that I wrote it off as utterly contrary to sprezzatura: I don't know whether it balances out the sex ratio among the patrons, but I'd wager that it brands each man present with a "desperation" vibe that is hardly likely to be helpful. Other than that there's the nightclub I tried, which seems promising, and a few others like it that I'm less sure about. The neighborhood bars have, I get the impression, mostly the wrong atmosphere for this sort of thing. What I really need is some venue advice.

Also idk why you say this isn't FR-worthy isn't this this the fastest you've ever kissed a girl? In my view rapid escalation of any sort is worth posting. Though I should probably take a lesson of humbleness from you after that last LR.

Fair point; the humbleness comes from the fact that people post LRs here left and right, but all my experience of sex has been either within relationships, or the very occasional hookup through social circle. The one exception was 18 years ago (yes you read that right) when I was out with two male friends and actually got opened, escalated upon and taken home by a girl... that must be the 2% Chase is talking about when he says that 98% of the time the man must initiate. The very scarcity of it shows that it is the exception that proves the rule. So I am acutely aware of how far I have to catch up if I want to make progress with girls I individually choose.

Other than that, and as you know, you shouldn't have talked about the escalation fail (verbal fail lol) and just ignored it like Alek talked about in his article on "what to do if women resist your charms".

Great point and a timely reminder that I need to reread that article pronto. Thank you Rob for your input.

Glad to hear you're feeling better, Marty! I remember you said you'd be back for some nightgame when you were back to health.

Hey Nick! So happy to hear from you as always. Yeah, I literally went out the very first night I felt up to it. I couldn't wait. I was so eager, I went out again last night, but I didn't wake up until like 2.30 AM so by the time I got downtown it was too late and I didn't open anyone, not even in the streets.

You know what's amusing about this whole thing? I get into the environment, and everybody's out to have fun, but I'm not there to have fun. To all appearances it might look like it (I sure hope so!), but in reality I'm there to create a habit. It's a very positive and liberating habit, because once you have each element down you can get a lot of what you want without applying much conscious thought. But in the beginning it takes up a fair amount of mental capacity and demands regularity.

Now I'm not saying I don't find it stimulating—on the contrary, I enjoy it immensely—but I've gotten to the stage now where I'm not in it for the outcome, not initially and not in this specific interaction anyway. I'm practicing, just as you would on a musical instrument. But there's a certain thrill to showing up at night, totally alone, stone-cold sober, and just opening women as I see fit. Actual partying would just be a distraction

I know the habit-creation process is working, because quite a few habits have become ingrained. To take an example, whenever I speak to a woman now, my body language is initially averted and I make contact from the corner of my eye. It doesn't matter if she's young, old, pretty or plain. I catch myself doing it "by default". I practiced this consciously back in the spring and early summer, and now I've got it down to the extent that I'm using it on every female, whether I need it or not. I daresay it's creating a bit of a stir reputation-wise, though

From what I've read, this girl definitely was very interested in you. How long was it between you moving her to the porch and going for a walk?

You know, Nick, this whole thing went by very fast. I said 15 minutes from meeting to kiss, it may have been 20, but it was a sprint from start to finish. Much too fast, it needed about an extra half-hour of sexual tension building. I'll have to estimate, but it looked roughly like this:

• Minus 4 minutes: enter club, walk back and forth a few times familiarizing myself with the venue, politely moving people (men) aside in more crowded areas so that I can pass in either direction
  
  -2: Spot girl and friend
  
  0: Open girl
  
  +2: Move out to porch
  
  +8: Strong kino with bodies pressed close
  
  +13: Move girl out of venue
  
  +14: First "sexy voice" comment
  
  +16: Several cheek-kisses and attempted escalation
  
  +18: "Why can't you talk less sexy?" comment
  
  +20: Lip-kiss and exit.

I'm still cracking the nut on LMR, but I've been gathering up some info I'm about to try this week (took the last week or so off from active approaching):

- Chase's comment to me here: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-k ... ment-17797

Awesome comment—like the bit about the stars; keeps everything in the cosmic perspective, which is important if you want to create something wonderful in the here and now, regardless of petty mundane concerns. One to remember. I also loved Chase's response on masculinity in the same comment section.

- If she doesn't let you kiss her on the lips, keep feeling her up/breathing on her neck/kissing foreplay kind of deal. Some women have objections with kissing, but won't stop you with otherwise more sexual things (like rubbing her pussy, even). And the girl you were with was in a relationship, so this may be more valid, even.

I am 95% sure that if I'd done that, I'd have gotten much, much further with this girl. I want to get this "kissing foreplay" thing into my instant recall memory. Next habit-creation goal! And pussy-rubbing would not have been out of the question, I feel, if it had been preceded by about 30 extra minutes of the neck-breathing stuff that you describe. I am about 60% certain I could have gotten my hand down her pants. The timetable above shows I ran this thing in a ridiculous rush. What a screw-up. Learning for next time!!

Interestingly, Zac has since written a separate post on this specific subject.

That's auto-rejection, plain and simple. But it is important to remember - when you are building sexual tension, be 100% sexual. If you're showing warmth, be 100% warm - your fundamentals will always keep a certain amount of sexual tension automatically. It makes the conversation (and your persona) feel more genuine, and the sexual moments feel more sexual. It sounds like something basic, but the impact is noticeable.

Okay Nick, I'll have to admit I don't understand this. As you and I get to know each other you'll find that while my verbal reasoning ability is pretty solid, I need each and every step in the logic to be there—in other words, I'm a bit slow on the uptake until I've convinced myself of an argument. Right now I don't see where auto-rejection is coming from. But I am inclined to take your word for it... I just need to understand the thought process. This sounded to me like she was complaining that I was placing temptation before her. Is it auto-rejection because I didn't take her far enough? Is that it?

Thanks again Nick for taking the time!

Read this awesome field report while at the gym, and couldn't wait to find time to comment!

You seem to be on the cusp of finding the key to consistent success, and thank you for outlining how. Definitely feel like I can use this piece of method and advice at this stage in my own process.

Hey Ozzo. Delighted by your enthusiasm... and I'm glad that this is of potential practical use to you too!

Can you describe your opener using body language?

Yeah. Okay. So if you read my spiel to PrettyDecent above on habit-formation, during Day Game I am looking at women in a slightly impudent, semi-amused manner that might cause someone who knew me well to comment: "You just looked at her like a man looks at a woman" or "You looked at her as if you desire her". See also Chase's comment on masculinity that I mentioned in my response to PrettyDecent. Hold that in your mind for a moment. This has become unconscious.

Now imagine that when the sun goes down and the stars come out, I layer on top of that a conscious, full-on "male stare" when I look at a woman I'm intending to open. There is absolutely no humor in it, none of the cheekiness that some men use to challenge other men... it's all pure male-to-female. Not to put it too finely, like I want to f--k her senseless.

A girl sees that and she either closes down immediately or she opens up knowing full well what I want. It's like a direct opener, only using nonverbals. I just realized it was the only way to do it at that noise level. Within about 1 second I moved in very close, holding full eye contact, and I did mouth the words "Hi, how's your evening going?" but there's no way she could have heard it, nor could I hear her response. But her nonverbals did the talking too... like putting her arm around my waist and drawing me closer so she could hear. It was easier than I had expected. I actually never needed to go direct verbally during the entire interaction.

Start of Auto-rejection.

I'm still working on understanding this... see my comment to PrettyDecent above. You two have come to the same conclusion independently, so I bet you're right, I just wanna know why! Like a curious child!!

More auto-rejection on her part.

Hahaha, what in the WORLD did you DO to her?? ;-)

It was actually heavier than I described. It was almost like she started pleading with me... "I love him, you know. I really love him. I do. I just couldn't do this to him." Soft-hearted as I am, I couldn't handle it. When her friend returned, I felt the game was up. My own fault for screwing up 5 minutes earlier, as discussed above. Thank you Ozzo for your helpful commentary.

Well, fellas, I'm most grateful for all your fantastic input! Thank you!!

-Marty

 

[Mr.Rob]

Now I'm not saying I don't find it stimulating—on the contrary, I enjoy it immensely—but I've gotten to the stage now where I'm not in it for the outcome, not initially and not in this specific interaction anyway. I'm practicing, just as you would on a musical instrument. But there's a certain thrill to showing up at night, totally alone, stone-cold sober, and just opening women as I see fit. Actual partying would just be a distraction

I know the habit-creation process is working, because quite a few habits have become ingrained. To take an example, whenever I speak to a woman now, my body language is initially averted and I make contact from the corner of my eye. It doesn't matter if she's young, old, pretty or plain. I catch myself doing it "by default". I practiced this consciously back in the spring and early summer, and now I've got it down to the extent that I'm using it on every female, whether I need it or not. I daresay it's creating a bit of a stir reputation-wise, though

Marty, I see how you're really starting to view this stuff as more of a skillset and that's honestly how it should be. So rad you're doing that. I really recommend you read "Talent is Overrated" by Geoff Colvin. It goes into talking about deliberate practice and what principles go into making an expert in any field. It really changed my mindset into how I need to go out and practice this stuff and motivated me at the same time (theres a ton of real life examples that are inspiring on their own). I highly recommend it, sounds like it's right down your alley.

-Rob