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Positive spin on bad approach-to-lay ratio in day game

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Some time ago I read statistics of approach-to-lay ratio in day game among advanced day gamers.

I don't recall the exact numbers but at that I was negatively surpised about these numbers. Something like 1 lay out of 50 approaches. I thought: 'What the fuck? So much work to get just one girl?"

I guess the reason why I thought these numbers are so bad is that because I was a beginner in day game and every approach seemed like a huge effort to me.

After I've gained some experience I'm thinking that these numbers aren't actually all that bad.

Why?

Because of the little emotional and time effort it takes for me to actually approach. A failing approach will take anything from few seconds up to few minutes (max). So if you don't care emotionally, the time cost is actually very low. Let's average and say that an approach takes you 2 minutes. If you are in a high traffic venue you can approach pretty much every 5 minutes, which would give you 20 approaches in an hour. If you go out for 2 hours per day, you would approach 40 women in 2 hours session, which statistically speaking should give you a lay every day or every second day. And this sounds much, much better.

I guess, you can make day game much, much easier for you if you accept that most of women will most likely reject you because of HER OWN REASONS. Being in a bad mood, being in a wrong phase of the cycle, having a boyfriend who she loves, bad experience with other men approaching her in day time, etc. All these reasons, and plenty more are real reasons for her to 'reject' you, which have NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. For me personally, makes the whole thing, much, much easier emotionally.

So when you know that many women have their own reasons not to continue the conversation, you can drop the interaction VERY FAST in terms of time and emotional baggage. And you can focus on what really matter which is finding a receptive girl, one who really want to be approached and fucked that day.

Looking at day game from this perspective is a positive mental spin for me.
 
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PaulieFlyn10

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From time to time I see those crazy 1:50 numbers and I always wonder… where does this BS stat come from? Probably those lame European guys doing the “London daygame model” 😂.
You dont agree with the stats? You're right about the london daygame model. That stat came from them. Others I've heard are 1:30 and 1:35 lol


What do you think a great ratio is? I've seen 1:10 and 1:3 as good ratios
 

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What is funny is one of the dudes i was fighting about this about couple of years ago finally did it the other day @Skjöldr and just lol after doing it, we fought today cause he saying it can not be done consistantly.... i made him a bet that he will be there next year, he did not take it... there is not way you will not get burn out doing those numbers... i explained this like a baby in this post:



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What is funny is one of the dudes i was fighting about this about couple of years ago finally did it the other day @Skjöldr and just lol after doing it, we fought today cause he saying it can not be done consistantly.... i made him a bet that he will be there next year, he did not take it... there is not way you will not get burn out doing those numbers... i explained this like a baby in this post:



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I knew i saw that 1:10 somewhere. And i agree with your points that many day gamers make even the elite ones and London daygame

Especially these ones: bad texting, spam approaching, no forcing iois and no use of situational openers
 

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For the day game, if you are aware of the approach invitations, assuming you have great fundamentals. 1/30 to be honest isn't that bad if you aren't too experienced. My first-day game lay probably around 1/50 give or take, but the next one came a lot faster.

Daygame'm not an expert, but Mr. sharp shoot claims 1/1.32249842..... (I put it in the calculator did the math) TBF, if you sharp shoot in the alternative part of town, rainbow hair ratchet hoes with skulls tattooed on their stomachs, with big ass nose septum piercing THENNN whip out your psychedelics (hook), you'd probably be able to do well....talk about stereotypes. But just not my thing...

high-level night game, no one other than Teevster I've seen has ever mentioned the important details

When I was in hot streaks/ high momentum, pulling the previous day, having a wing throwing me a pussy from a 2 set and being able to fuck in the employee unisex bathroom, able to ramp momentum going in and out of the venues skipping the lines, bar managers knowing me, using pre-selection, my bartender giving us drinks because he's my friend, I've built the relationship with him... ALSO done it without social proof, doing wingman gaming as well. during good periods my ratio was maybe 1/10, I pulled hot steaks, so who cares I pulled

I know that it's possible because I worked as a club promoter for high-end venue/clubs and I've pulled like that. But the difference is that compared to the more advanced guys, I need to work harder for it, and comes less frequently.

What are hot streaks for me would be considered high momentum for highly advanced puas, by most regards they are just better than me, calibration, social proof/frame, energy, etc. a 1/3-1/5 ratio is very possible if you know your city and know how to make the stars align.
 

James Cruse

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Some time ago I read statistics of approach-to-lay ratio in day game among advanced day gamers.

I don't recall the exact numbers but at that I was negatively surpised about these numbers. Something like 1 lay out of 50 approaches. I thought: 'What the fuck? So much work to get just one girl?"

I guess the reason why I thought these numbers are so bad is that because I was a beginner in day game and every approach seemed like a huge effort to me

Those numbers seem outragiously high - 1 lay for every 50 approaches - something is seriously wrong if that’s the case.

There is far more women that you meet that are just plain interested in you than 1 in 50. More women than 1 in 50 that you approach will be at least somewhat attracted to you before you even open your mouth.

You would have to be doing some significantly unattractive things AFTER you start talking for your conversion to be that bad.

I would think the same as above - old outdated and over-complicated London daygame is very low results.
 

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Chest puffing aside I mean, adapt to your reality man, whatever feels feasible to you. Not to say you should dillude yourself and say that a lower ratio isn’t possible, but can’t let it destroy your self esteem either.

Seems healthier in the long run to adjust your expectations based on what it is you’re able to do with what you have and go from there in terms of improvement. 1:50 this month 1:49 the next, or whatev.

Like going to the gym seeing someone bench 350lbs and getting down and out cuz ur doing 135. I mean who are ya really doing it for at that point.

Perspectives change based on your experiences, my first day game “session” I had aa, only managed to do two “sets” and still smashed one of the girls with terrible texting.

So for me I knew that ratios like that were possible, but thats my experience thus my perspective. So I ignore anyone who says it isn’t possible, the same way you should ignore anyone who says it is.

If it doesn’t match your reality then ignore it until its true for you. Way better for your motivation and mental health in the long run. Don’t make it a competition.

If hearing something like 1 in 1, 1 in 2, 1 in 5, 1 in 10 or even 1 in 15, is more discouraging than it is motivating, then take it out from your awareness.

Get it?
 
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James Cruse

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Seems healthier in the long run to adjust your expectations based on what it is you’re able to do with what you have and go from there in terms of improvement. 1:50 this month 1:49 the next, or whatev.

I think the reasons OP may be asking for our perspective on conversations is more a diagnostic tool for his current seduction method/skills.

I compared my conversions for daygame with others to as a diagnostic tool when I believed my method may have been the issue. It turned out it was - London Daygame method gave me terrible results (not anywhere near as bad as OP) but other people’s conversions catalysed me to change my seduction method for the daytime.
 
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