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Pulling from Chase Frame

Jan

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
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It has happened to me few times in the recent past that I struggled big time to pull from instadate.

Few days ago I met this chick in a shopping centre, we went to cafe for instadate, all things went pretty well. We talked for about an hour but I wasn't able to pull her home that night. We exchanged numbers and she sent me text 2 days later asking if she can come over to finish what we didn't finish on the first date. On that second date, I fucked her with pretty much zero resistance. We discussed sexual details over text, including what color lingerie she is going to like. What is crucial is that I did zero things between instadate and second date (thanks Sixty :) Somehow she someone convinced herself to fuck me. I wonder what I did wrong on day 1 that I wasn't able to pull the same day.

Today, similar situation happened. I met this MILF in the shopping centre, went for instadate in the cafe, but I wasn't able to pull her home. We had a nice rapport, there was little bit of sexual tension, she let me touch her hands, arms, knees, thighs. We exchanged numbers and I feel there is a high chance that I will fuck her on date 2.

I wonder what I do wrong with my pulling that I have such a low success rate on date 1. Actually, this pattern happened to me many, many times in the past. Because I have seen this in the past I learned patience. I learned that if I don't get angry and just wait, there will be date 2 and there will be sex.

However, I still believe I can improve on my pulling technique.

I admit that I pull like a chode. Almost. Basically, after I see that there is rapport and that she lets me touch her on her thighs (and generally being ok with my touch), I assume that this is good time to pull. I say something like: "Hey, how about we go for a drink to my place.", or "Hey, let's go watch something at my place."

Most of the time, they say "no". Persistance doesn't seem to help. I even heard something like "Convincing me will not help here." which was a great feedback from a chick btw. After I heard that I stopped convincing, said good buy and she started texting to set a sex date on the next day.

When it comes to my pulling I'm feeling like a chode. Like I want sex from her. And she can just say no. The only improvement I've made to my pulling game so far was that I never invite her for sex. In the sense that I don't verbally mention sex. And second improvement that I'm not trying to convince her after I try to pull few times.

I believe I can do much more here. But I'm not sure what. I thought to myself - "How would you pull from a chase frame, instead from a chode frame?"

IDEA:

Ask her to go home with me once. If she says no, "punish her" emotionally by withdrawing touch, return to rapport building (seductive listening), exchange numbers at some point, then return to rapport, and then tell her that I have to go soon. Continue talking (or actually continue listening), give her time to process it in her mind. Maybe even go to bathroom or something, so she stays with the idea on her own. The idea is to communicate that its up to her - I'm gonna leave soon (I told her). If she wants to fuck tonight, its NOW for her to decide. She knows that I'm leaving soon so there is some undefined time pressure. I give her time to process new information and decide by withdrawing touch and listening (instead of talking).

How do you guys pull from the chase frame? Or how do you generally pull succesfuly from instadate day game?
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

TomInHo

Modern Human
Modern Human
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If they fuck you on the second date then the reason why they don't come back to your place on the first date could be..

1) She doesn't want you to think she is easy or a slut
2) You built tension but not enough compliance for the pull

To solve problem one is easy. Just find a way in conversation to slip in that you're non judgmental and love women that are comfortable going for what they want and expressing their desires.

The second problem can be fixed by building a compliance ladder before the pull.

For example lets say you just finished feeling up her leg and know she is ready to leave.

- First ask her to show you something in her phone.... compliance +1
- Then ask for her hand to do a fake palm read.... compliance +2
- Ask if she likes music and get her favorite genre... seed +1
- Ask if she like wine and ask what is her favorite, red or white?... seed +2
- Then say "I'm enjoying hanging out with you, but I'm going to go home to listen to some music while sipping on some wine. You're welcome to join?".... PULL

You build a small yes ladder and frame the ask in a way to make the final pull feel like it's no big deal. When delivered in a nonchalant manner I've noticed this helps a lot
 
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