Rate my entire process and reasoning (all from GC articles and my exp)

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

*Some of this hasn't been tested yet*

I do Day game because this is the way to get the highest quality girls.

I approach in the Moscow Metro because this is how you get the most beautiful girls in the world, it's more convenient, it's warm in Winter.

I give myself only 15 tokens for approaches a day so I don't relapse into a spam approacher.

I approach from approach invitations if a girl is 7+, or without the invitations if a girl is 9+, the best way for me to really understand that the girl is a 9+ is when I audibly say something like "holy shit..." when I see her.

I approach using a genuine compliment, basically analyzing, what I really liked in her: hair, fashion, a piece of clothing, walk

When we are talking, I test for compliance, first asking her to turn around for me in that beautiful outfit, then if she doesn't - I test for arousal: looking her in the eyes, playfully accusing her of having inappropriate thoughts, teasing her, or making more compliments.

After first two tests I ask her about where she's going and if she has the time now to understand her Logistics.

After that I ask her what she does for living, or where she studies and why did she decide to do that, what would be her dream job.

After that, on a high point I suggest we grab a coffee sometime and ask her to give me her schedule. I grab her number or telegram handle, give her cheeky smile and seductive look, hug her or touch her hand gently while saying goodbye.

I text her "nice to meet a new friend, this is Alex" to confuse her and keep intrigue.

On a date I confirm what kind of girl is she, idea of which I got approaching her, I tell her to do a lot of things for me to test for compliance, if she happily does that - sits with me on a date and just lets me touch her basically all over the place, then she's a compliance type girl, a green light type girl, and I should speed up my process considerably. I still do a bit of deep diving, a bit of arousal, but mostly moving forward

If she replies to all of that with less enthusiasm I try to be sexy after a little talk about her dreams and who she is as a person, or rather, during that talk, I touch her, but never let my hands Linger on one place for a long time, give her seductive eye contact, notice any signs of her attraction to me and point them out to her, accuse her of having sexual thoughts about me, all in all testing her for arousal and pumping that arousal up. (On the side note: if she doesn't respond to that either, and seems closed off and shy or disinterested, I'm not that advanced to have any solutions to that, nor I think it makes sense to waste 4 to 5 hours to try to crack this one, when in that time I can get like 10 to 15 numbers.)

With the the sexual arousal I also cut all the threads that could be negative or boring or irrelevant to the seduction, in any way I can. I also try to disqualify myself as a boyfriend telling her that I came to Moscow to film weddings, which is a very high paying job in theory, but I have found out that I absolutely hate how I feel as a gay butler in these elite events, so I'm figuring out what I want to do with my life. (A potential better option would be to just concentrate on the art side of this and passionately describe to her my work as an artist) , but don't spend too much time on it. This is something that might not be an ideal boyfriend disqualification by the way, so correct me if I'm wrong to do this.

I never answer any questions about my past relationships (have I had serious relationships? you mean like in a suits and in a meetings?) I never admit to wanting kids (lord knows I want to have kids more than a lonely 45 y o woman), answering something like "oh maybe in 10 years." I hope Those dismissive answers that I give in a tone of not a big deal coupled with my overall sexiness gives me an aura of a lover guy, who would be absolutely useless as a boyfriend.

During all that I also point out how I like sexually free girls, how I like to do sex in a strange places, focusing on feelings, rather than just listing toilets, cars and parks.

I say how I hate when society shames girls for their sexuality, and tell her how sex is an art form for me and since I am a results oriented guy I like to play a woman's arousal zones like an instrument creating a masterpiece which gives her an idea that she will cum much more with me then she has ever had with anybody else.

When I get her looking at me with bedroom eyes I say that let's go get to the supermarket, which is in the building across the road from the cafe, we buy a couple of things, and go to my house. Since my house is about 2 minutes away from the supermarket 9 out of 10 girls just go upstairs with me.


In my apartment I show her around in the Lambada dance style, basically just touching her on the waist, ass and hugging her everywhere, pretending to show her useless things around my house.

In one of the unusual places like kitchen or bathroom I kiss her and if the mood is already electric - start touching her and undressing her, stroking her pussy through the jeans, telling her that my dick is too tight in the pants because of a huge erection asking her to adjust my dick, telling her to unbuckle her belt so I can finger her pussy without any obstructions, and we usually just fuck from there.

 

[Jan]

This whole process is a combination of your imagination and insights from others. There is near zero caring for the perspective, needs and desires of an individual woman which you are going to meet in reality.

Basically, you are creating a rigid process and present it to her with take-it-or-leave it attitude.

For that reason, it's going to have a very low success rate.

I suspect it may work in two situations:
1) very green, dtf girls who desperately wants sex and are willing to take whatever they can get
2) girls who are naturally very much into you and which will follow your lead regardless.

The main strength of this process is that it's leading oriented. You know where you want to go and you know each step along the way.

However, because you are unwilling to take input from her, you will receive resistance from most girls on different steps along the way. This unwillingness of yours will be very difficult to resolve because you will try to trouble shoot from the same perspective - your own perspective + insight from other seducers. This is gonna be a very difficult situation for you, because not having empathy for her perspective will prevent you from understanding the true reason for the resistance. This rigidness of the process also means that you will be very outcome dependent, will have to deal with a lot of disappointment. So it's gonna be emotionally draining.

I know all of these, because I did almost exactly what you did, and went throught this experience myself.

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

This whole process is a combination of your imagination and insights from others. There is near zero caring for the perspective, needs and desires of an individual woman which you are going to meet in reality.

Basically, you are creating a rigid process and present it to her with take-it-or-leave it attitude.

For that reason, it's going to have a very low success rate.

I suspect it may work in two situations:
1) very green, dtf girls who desperately wants sex and are willing to take whatever they can get
2) girls who are naturally very much into you and which will follow your lead regardless.

The main strength of this process is that it's leading oriented. You know where you want to go and you know each step along the way.

However, because you are unwilling to take input from her, you will receive resistance from most girls on different steps along the way. This unwillingness of yours will be very difficult to resolve because you will try to trouble shoot from the same perspective - your own perspective + insight from other seducers. This is gonna be a very difficult situation for you, because not having empathy for her perspective will prevent you from understanding the true reason for the resistance. This rigidness of the process also means that you will be very outcome dependent, will have to deal with a lot of disappointment. So it's gonna be emotionally draining.

I know all of these, because I did almost exactly what you did, and went throught this experience myself.

Okay brother, to be fair, you only said: "your process is very rigid, very bad, very very bad, I did this myself, this is a very bad process".

Can you please elaborate and explain to me what steps could be different, at least give me a couple of examples so I understand what you mean my only goal is to be as effective as possible, I don't have a goal of stroking my ego, or having a power fantasy, I'm very open to suggestions

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

This whole process is a combination of your imagination and insights from others. There is near zero caring for the perspective, needs and desires of an individual woman which you are going to meet in reality.

Basically, you are creating a rigid process and present it to her with take-it-or-leave it attitude.

For that reason, it's going to have a very low success rate.

I suspect it may work in two situations:
1) very green, dtf girls who desperately wants sex and are willing to take whatever they can get
2) girls who are naturally very much into you and which will follow your lead regardless.

The main strength of this process is that it's leading oriented. You know where you want to go and you know each step along the way.

However, because you are unwilling to take input from her, you will receive resistance from most girls on different steps along the way. This unwillingness of yours will be very difficult to resolve because you will try to trouble shoot from the same perspective - your own perspective + insight from other seducers. This is gonna be a very difficult situation for you, because not having empathy for her perspective will prevent you from understanding the true reason for the resistance. This rigidness of the process also means that you will be very outcome dependent, will have to deal with a lot of disappointment. So it's gonna be emotionally draining.

I know all of these, because I did almost exactly what you did, and went throught this experience myself.

It's also very weird to me how someone on the girls chase forums say that girls chase method is really really bad, anybody who read a lot of articles on the side will just notice that I basically recited all of them in one process

 

[Jan]

Can you please elaborate and explain to me what steps could be different, at least give me a couple of examples

If you are interested in increasing the success of each step, you need to understand the reason for objection at each step. Understanding the reason is not the same as looking for solutions. You can only find the solution if you know the real reason for the objection.

Let's take your 'test for compliance' step as an example. You say that you ask her to turn around in this beautiful dress. If she says yes and no, there could be different reasons for it. For example, she bought a new dress just yesterday, she loves it so much and she is interested to see what other people think about the dress. In this case, when you ask her to turn around, she may be thinking 'Oh, what a great luck. I don't know who this guy is or what he wants, but I can at least get the first feedback about my new dress." You can see that, in this case, she complies but it has nothing to do with you, your process or the compliance test. You can just get lucky.

Now, let's say you meet another girl and ask her to turn around. But this girl is hating her dress but never has to time to get a new one, so she just put this old dress and it's rushing to work or uni. She says no to your request because she doesn't like the dress and she doesn't want anyone to pay too much attention to i. You see, once again, her lack of compliance doesn't have anything to do with you, your process or the compliance test.

When I say that your process is rigid I mostly mean how you approach the real life. You create a plan for each step and you go out to execute. And if the plan doesn't work at any step, you just say 'Fuck it' and drop her without putting any effort into understanding WHY it didn't succeed. It seems to me like you are mostly focused on WHAT all the time.

But WHAT only makes sense if you know the WHY. A good solution (WHAT) can only work if you are applying it to a correct problem (WHY).

If you were less rigid, and more flexible with the dress compliance test, you could ask the girl who didn't comply.

YOU: "'It's a such beautiful dress, it's sad I can't see it all."
HER: "I hate this dress."

When she says that, you have some more information and more understanding WHY she is not complying. If you look at her face and see some clue of real disgust for the dress, you should drop the dress topic, but it also tells you the real reason for lack of compliance is not that she didn't like you or your approach, the reason was that she hates the dress. If that's the case, then what is the point of exiting the interaction. It's better to stay and continue.

 

[thats_a_penis_disgustang]

Brother, I'm explaining this as a strategy, not as an exact tactic. I'm giving a simple example, it doesn't mean that I tell her to turn around every single time, that would be just stupid and boring. Of course seduction process is extremely complex and consists of many layers. For example, if she has no sexual interest in me but likes the dress and is being very friendly, she will turn around in that dress, but as soon as I ask her to show me some rings for example, she will quickly pull her hand away, which will signal to me that she's either not attracted to me, or is too shy at the moment. And if I start flirting with her she will completely shut down all attempts, this way I will know she's was just being friendly and just wanted to show off a new dress to somebody. No tactic is 100%, and no response is a guarantee, everything has a a possibility percentage. With that said, do you have a more effective process?

 

[KJ Francis]

playfully accusing her of having inappropriate thoughts

I wonder if doing this so soon after the opener is too finely filtered a screen. perhaps there is a more subtle chase frame you could use.

accuse her of having sexual thoughts about me

at this point on the date, it could also raise anti-slut defense and kill any chances for real plausible deniability when pulling. there may be other ways to set a sexual frame in a more implicit fashion.

if you are trying to screen for for a smaller ratio of sexually adventurous women who are open from the start, then the above methods may be major time savers.

I have found out that I absolutely hate how I feel as a gay butler in these elite events, so I'm figuring out what I want to do with my life.

one of the key things top caliber women look for in men is that he knows what he wants and goes for it. the act of approaching her and moving things forward is a great display of this. I think the artist frame may be a better method here, with the boyfriend disqualifier of it potentially taking you anywhere geographically (but not necessarily right away, so there is some level of ambiguous potential). Then let her naturally discover the wedding videographer business later. always have more layers to the onion for her to discover over time.

have I had serious relationships?

I wouldn't get too cagey. If you refuse to answer, it comes across as avoiding. it can be better to imply that it takes months of being with someone to feel out where things could go, and that girls have tried to rope you into one, but you have yet to find the one who meets everything you're looking for, and/or have not wanted to lead a girl on while you are still working toward your goals as an artist, etc.

 

[isildur1]

This whole process is a combination of your imagination and insights from others. There is near zero caring for the perspective, needs and desires of an individual woman which you are going to meet in reality.

Basically, you are creating a rigid process and present it to her with take-it-or-leave it attitude.

For that reason, it's going to have a very low success rate.

I suspect it may work in two situations:
1) very green, dtf girls who desperately wants sex and are willing to take whatever they can get
2) girls who are naturally very much into you and which will follow your lead regardless.

The main strength of this process is that it's leading oriented. You know where you want to go and you know each step along the way.

However, because you are unwilling to take input from her, you will receive resistance from most girls on different steps along the way. This unwillingness of yours will be very difficult to resolve because you will try to trouble shoot from the same perspective - your own perspective + insight from other seducers. This is gonna be a very difficult situation for you, because not having empathy for her perspective will prevent you from understanding the true reason for the resistance. This rigidness of the process also means that you will be very outcome dependent, will have to deal with a lot of disappointment. So it's gonna be emotionally draining.

I know all of these, because I did almost exactly what you did, and went throught this experience myself.

Great post .

my worry for the op he seems to lack empathy and genuine care for the girl judging by having such a rigid format seems like he’s planning to rob a bank rather than have an intimate connection with a girl. Ultimately if women can sense you lack empathy and care no matter what line you use they’ll realise it and most likely give you lmr if you appear too robotic

I think as another admin suggested an hour or so of meditation to calm the hyper analytical mind of the op will be the most beneficial I mean 8 threads on a similar topic in one month? It just all seems so excessive