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Dash of Englishness

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I find that it happens about two to three times per year that I find myself in a situation where getting physical with another male is either appropriate, or necessary. The very fact it doesn't happen too often I believe is the very reason I've be caught off guard one or twice. I've had moments in these situations where I've looked completely alpha as well as beta. I'm not trained in self defence but I remember one time I handled myself so well that my friends just presumed that I that was!

Of course it's best to handle such inappropriate behaviour by other means if possible. But I do believe that there are moments when you feel that something like a witty remark isn't quite enough to stand up to someone when they're bang out of line. Having failed to handle one of these situations, it's all very well to say to yourself later on that "oh I actually could have said this and handled the situation very gracefully" but that thought isn't going to enter your mind when you're on the spot, so you either have to do something or do nothing and take the regret with you. If getting physical is the only thing that comes to mind - and it's called for - then it could be best to do that.

It is only an individual who is both confident within themselves, as well as physically trained, who is actually able to potentially leave bad behaviour slide an still retain their status. I have only observed this once in my life and it was very interesting as the man in question knew (and I knew too) that he'd be able to kick the other guy's ass. Therefore him getting physical could possibly look weak from my point of view. But for someone who is unsure how that would pan out, is what can make it all the more hard to leave such bad behaviour slide. I say this as there have even been one or two fights I've been in that I lost, and still most definitely didn't regret it. I wish I was told that in my school years... that you can actually lose a fight and gain respect.

For anyone else who's had similar problems, it may well be the case that if you were more of a man, that certain insulting behaviour from another man wouldn't offend you as much as it does, and that you therefore wouldn't feel the need to get physical. But the very important thing is, that if you are not that man then you can't pretend to be. That's just one thing I think I've noticed on PUA forums... is that a lot of advice is based on trying to mimic the alpha behaviour of a role model. I'm sure it works with pick up, but not with everything.

Another thing I believe is that a lot of men who work under a gay boss may find themselves in a difficult situation that they don't know how to handle. Take the Chris Pincher case in the British parliament, for example. There's a good chance that the men he groped might have considered themselves the sort of person who'd knock someone out had that been done to them, but they didn't.

If you've ever been in a situation where you felt you should have reacted better, or regretted not physically attacking someone (dare I say it), please share your experience. Most of the time I see men getting violent it is rarely for a good cause... nearly makes me embarrassed for my gender. It's often just some drunk who beats up some random person, or other times you'll see a guy in a group, who while in a group, will try to frighten a lone passer-by on the street.

I'm going to leave you with this scene if you'd like to watch. Now I don't think Berenger needed to get physical in this scene, but it's just a good example of how you wouldn't see an insult coming. Berenger gets insulted when he's effectively told that he can be bought, and he gets physical. What's interesting to me is that getting physical would have been out of the question giving that there was a cereal bowl in the guy's hand!


Obviously deciding to get physical has to be taken into account with one's own safety... whether you know the person, whether you're indoors/outdoors, and the number of others present in the area/vicinity, etc.

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Marcellus

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Give some examples man? what were these situations and how did they come about?

Me personally, I don't ever see a reason for thing to resort to violence unless it's life threatening. You can always just walk away. But that's just me.

Give some real life examples please :) curious to see more about your perspective even if I disagree
 

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Give some examples man? what were these situations and how did they come about?

Me personally, I don't ever see a reason for thing to resort to violence unless it's life threatening. You can always just walk away. But that's just me.

Give some real life examples please :) curious to see more about your perspective even if I disagree
Walk away? That's like something my mother would have said. You really think you can just walk away from any situation like that without carrying that negative energy with you, or without losing status, or without a memory that stings when you're reminded of it?
 
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Me personally, no. I don't care about what random strangers think, so me walking away from a potential fight is always my go to. My life is great and it will continue being great without having to worry about idiots.

But anyways, I just wanted some examples. I'm outta here, peace brother 🙏🏾
 

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@Dash of Englishness,

I find that it happens about two to three times per year that I find myself in a situation where getting physical with another male is either appropriate, or necessary.

I would suggest it is worth paying attention to where / in what situations you are when this stuff happens, and avoiding those situations.

Certain venues with certain kinds of crowds, etc., are much, much more prone to this than others.

It is only an individual who is both confident within themselves, as well as physically trained, who is actually able to potentially leave bad behaviour slide an still retain their status. I have only observed this once in my life and it was very interesting as the man in question knew (and I knew too) that he'd be able to kick the other guy's ass. Therefore him getting physical could possibly look weak from my point of view. But for someone who is unsure how that would pan out, is what can make it all the more hard to leave such bad behaviour slide. I say this as there have even been one or two fights I've been in that I lost, and still most definitely didn't regret it. I wish I was told that in my school years... that you can actually lose a fight and gain respect.

For anyone else who's had similar problems, it may well be the case that if you were more of a man, that certain insulting behaviour from another man wouldn't offend you as much as it does, and that you therefore wouldn't feel the need to get physical. But the very important thing is, that if you are not that man then you can't pretend to be. That's just one thing I think I've noticed on PUA forums... is that a lot of advice is based on trying to mimic the alpha behaviour of a role model. I'm sure it works with pick up, but not with everything.

Sounds like you're more in the "fighter" role in this model:


You are naturally going to lean toward respecting fellow fighters more and not respecting lovers.

Interestingly, the door sweeps both ways: lover friends have commented to me about how they want nothing to do with fighter types, find these types cause a lot of trouble, go home with their dicks in their hands, etc.

There is the same kind of mutual lack of respect between these camps as you see between political parties, religious beliefs, etc.

It's one of those core personality / belief system differences.

Another thing I believe is that a lot of men who work under a gay boss may find themselves in a difficult situation that they don't know how to handle. Take the Chris Pincher case in the British parliament, for example. There's a good chance that the men he groped might have considered themselves the sort of person who'd knock someone out had that been done to them, but they didn't.

I've had gay guys grab my ass, feel my arm up, etc. A tranny grabbed my dick through my jeans. A friend I thought was a cool dude tried putting the moves on me when he had me alone and placed his hand on my knee. To me this stuff is always just hilarious in an awkward way. Like, "LOL, dude, seriously... you think I'd go for that? Your radar must be broke, man!"

To a certain extent I think it's all down to where a guy draws the line. That friend who tried putting the moves on me, for instance, I just gave him a look and he backed way off. But I also had my fist balled up in the event he tried to kiss me... I figured it was 50/50 he backed off and all was cool, vs. he leaned in to kiss me and I had to deck him. BUT I know there are (straight) dudes who would laugh off a guy kissing them too: "Haha, dude, I don't swing that way. Sorry man," etc.

Why do some dudes flip out if a guy just looks at them, whereas others wouldn't care even if a dude tried planting one on them?

It's probably all down to where you draw the line between "dude is just shooting his shot" vs. "this dude is seriously disrespecting me."

If a guy puts his hand on me and backs off after a look from me, I can respect that as "Dude was just shooting his shot, but now he knows." Whereas if he doesn't back off, and tries going further... well, now you're getting smacked, playa!

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@Dash of Englishness,



I would suggest it is worth paying attention to where / in what situations you are when this stuff happens, and avoiding those situations.

Certain venues with certain kinds of crowds, etc., are much, much more prone to this than others.



Sounds like you're more in the "fighter" role in this model:


You are naturally going to lean toward respecting fellow fighters more and not respecting lovers.

Interestingly, the door sweeps both ways: lover friends have commented to me about how they want nothing to do with fighter types, find these types cause a lot of trouble, go home with their dicks in their hands, etc.

There is the same kind of mutual lack of respect between these camps as you see between political parties, religious beliefs, etc.

It's one of those core personality / belief system differences.



I've had gay guys grab my ass, feel my arm up, etc. A tranny grabbed my dick through my jeans. A friend I thought was a cool dude tried putting the moves on me when he had me alone and placed his hand on my knee. To me this stuff is always just hilarious in an awkward way. Like, "LOL, dude, seriously... you think I'd go for that? Your radar must be broke, man!"

To a certain extent I think it's all down to where a guy draws the line. That friend who tried putting the moves on me, for instance, I just gave him a look and he backed way off. But I also had my fist balled up in the event he tried to kiss me... I figured it was 50/50 he backed off and all was cool, vs. he leaned in to kiss me and I had to deck him. BUT I know there are (straight) dudes who would laugh off a guy kissing them too: "Haha, dude, I don't swing that way. Sorry man," etc.

Why do some dudes flip out if a guy just looks at them, whereas others wouldn't care even if a dude tried planting one on them?

It's probably all down to where you draw the line between "dude is just shooting his shot" vs. "this dude is seriously disrespecting me."

If a guy puts his hand on me and backs off after a look from me, I can respect that as "Dude was just shooting his shot, but now he knows." Whereas if he doesn't back off, and tries going further... well, now you're getting smacked, playa!

Chase
I do avoid such situations / venues, and that's why I only find myself in such a situation about twice a year. I wouldn't consider myself a fighter and I certainly wouldn't be the one to "cause" the trouble. But if you are able to fight as a man I think it will bring your base level confidence up a bit.

Surely you can understand how a guy would want to deck another if he's treated disrespectfully in front of others. I remember it happening to my friend once when a dude walking on the street from the opposite way jumped in front of him as if about to attack, and shouted, and then just kept walking. One of the girls with us said to him "pat that guy just completely disrespected you", as if to imply that he should have done something. I've seen girls laugh at guys who get treated this way.

The last time I got physical with someone was actually while I was on the job where I work as a city service bus driver. I had a passenger who was acting out of line. He came right up past the line on the ground (where you're not supposed to stand as we remember from 'Speed') and started giving out. I wasn't too sure what he was unhappy about. I suspect it had something to do with me shouting at a girl earlier who tried to sneak when I'd told her the bus was over capacity. I tried to ask him to stand back even though I knew he wouldn't. The bus I drive has an assault screen and he was up as close to it as he could be... I felt like he was on top of me. I just drove on as normal knowing that whatever would unfold would take place at the next bus stop. At the next stop he said started giving out again and I tried to tell him that I didn't understand him. He then went outside in front of the bus and started photographing me. He would leave the bus move. He then came around again and tried to get back in. I had the doors shut 90% of the way but he was able to push them open. He then demanded my driver's license and my phone number. At this point I was demanding that he left. I eventually opened my cab door and had my hand on his chest indicating that I wanted him out. He then smacked my hand out of the way and said "what the fuck are you going to do?". With that I punched him square in the face as hard as I could. For safety I got back into the cab and locked it quickly, as this guy would've been a bigger guy than me. Another passenger then came to the door to make sure he didn't get back on. It probably looked like I snapped but I had complete control over myself. I probably didn't need to do it that time, but if I hadn't I'd have been angry for the rest of the night. It felt good and was definitely an experience worth having, but that said I don't intend to handle matters this way again.
 
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Oh yeah dude, you're driving a public bus with all types of rough sorts on there.

Well in that case there's really no avoiding having to mix it up sometimes.

I can see where you're coming from in that case.

Thought you were just hanging out with buddies going to the wrong bars & clubs, lol.
 

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@Dash of EnglishnessOh yeah dude, you're driving a public bus with all types of rough sorts on there.
Thanks,

Well I think people forget that it's the 'off topic' section, so I wasn't necessarily talking about needing to stand my ground against other men in the context of when out gaming women, but in general. It could happen at any point in time in one's life. But now that you mention it, then yes, if I were out gaming women it would go without saying that there may be some drunk and aggressive men about, and I would be more tolerant of that given that I'd have a different goal in mind. I take it that's the point of your article; that if you are going to be going out several nights a week trying to pick up girls then you may have to let some other pet peeves slide.

@Dash of Englishness,Sounds like you're more in the "fighter" role in this model:


You are naturally going to lean toward respecting fellow fighters more and not respecting lovers.

Interestingly, the door sweeps both ways: lover friends have commented to me about how they want nothing to do with fighter types, find these types cause a lot of trouble, go home with their dicks in their hands, etc.

There is the same kind of mutual lack of respect between these camps as you see between political parties, religious beliefs, etc.

It's one of those core personality / belief system differences.

I'm just wondering is there a snuck premise in that article; and that would be that you have to be one or the other (or neither)? But I would ask is it not possible that somebody could be both a fighter and a lover? You often see the intimidating looking guy who's also the guy with the girl. And said guy won't be a 'fighter' in the sense that he doesn't have to fight. And lets be clear on another thing... if a girl is to end up sleeping with a guy, it will be the guy who won the fight before it is the guy who she just saw getting beat up. I think the movie 'Fear' is a good example of how the intimidating guy will often get the girl, and jokey guy trying all these gimmicks just ends up sort of getting pushed aside. Of course it can work the opposite way too, but I think you're underestimating it here.
 
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@Dash of Englishness,

Yes, you can have guys who have traits of both lover and fighter. These guys are among the rarest of the rare though. Most guys are not either (Average Joes). A minority become fighters; an even smaller minority lovers. A minority of a minority try to be some balance between lover and fighter.

You often see the intimidating looking guy who's also the guy with the girl.

I was that intimidating guy for years. Men were terrified of me. So were women. It was the least attractive period of my life. I went from formerly very popular with girls (when I was the brooding mysterious guy) to having girls tell other guys they found me scary.

I have known many intimidating guys since then. Some who always had a woman and sometimes a few other women they were banging behind her back. None who were as skilled at getting laid as any intermediate-level PUAs I have known going the lover route.

Trust me, if accentuating your fighter characteristics was the more effective route than accentuating your lover characteristics, I would never have stopped being a tough to make the transition to the lover. I would still be going out and getting into bar fights, kicking dudes asses, and being a scary meathead people were terrified was going to go psycho on their asses.

But it's just not sexy, except to a small contingent of (mostly lower class) chicks who like their men über macho.

And said guy won't be a 'fighter' in the sense that he doesn't have to fight. And lets be clear on another thing... if a girl is to end up sleeping with a guy, it will be the guy who won the fight before it is the guy who she just saw getting beat up.

Real life in human civilization is not about going around beating people up or getting beat up.

I agree, if human civilization was predicated on constant fights to survive, like an Edgar Rice Burroughs novel, then women would just be picking the meathead guy with bulging muscles and sick MMA skills over anyone else. The hottest girls all want Tarzan in that world.

Even in real-world places where it is a lot closer to a constant fight for survival, though, lovers still get a huge edge.

I had an anthropology course in college. They did a genetic study of a hunter-gatherer tribe. The women were all mated to the big, strong males who went out in the jungle and hunted, conducted raids on neighboring tribes, etc. The expectation of the scientists was that the children of the women would all belong to their big, strong, dominant husbands.

They discovered only 50% of the wives' children belonged to the husbands. What actually happened was the big, strong, fighter husbands went out into the jungle to hunt and get food and fight tribes, meanwhile the skinny lover males who were always hanging around the village would sneak over to these guys' cabins while they were away and give it to their wives, cuckolding the fighters.

I have a lot of sympathy for fighter-type men. I used to be one!

I have spent a lot of time in bars and nightclubs where these guys' girlfriends were throwing themselves at me, sometimes in front of their fighter boyfriends who were freaking out and trying to mate-guard them, sometimes waiting until the guy was gone so he wouldn't see. These guys are very 'male' and do not understand the female psyche. For a while I got off on running circles around these guys with women, but once I matured as a seducer I stopped getting off on this, and just felt bad for these guys. You can see the confusion and helplessness on their faces. They know how to fight a man with their fists but they don't know how to seduce a woman and keep her loyal. That is a sad thing for a man. Every man should be able to bring the things he wants into his life and keep them there. If he cannot, he misses out on some of the true joys of being a man.

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These guys are very 'male' and do not understand the female psyche.
Do you think the opposite exists for women? Girls who are too feminine and don't understand men?
 

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@ElChe,

Do you think the opposite exists for women? Girls who are too feminine and don't understand men?

100%.

Any time you meet a total girly-girl whose friends are all girls and who is into all this super girly stuff, they are either totally confused about men OR they have over-confident one-dimensional views of men. It's one or the other.

Very rare to meet a girly-girl with a deep understanding of the male psyche. When you do, she's usually an ex-tomboy who cultivated herself to be girlier later on.

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