Rich girl and you are just a poor guy

[Razorlight]

Hi all, i am a construction worker 29yo who lives in Eastern Europe has an average salary, no car, no high fashion clothes and cant afford too much

I have improved my game a lot, i know how to get a "6-7" average girls, but this is not a game, because we had a same value "naturally"

This year i had 4 dates with a real super hot (for me) 7-8 rich girls, 2 models, 1 actress (not so famous), 1 rich girl she has a real high status job at finance sector. All this dates were failed. I tried improve every date but failed anyway i have some issues:

1) "Value" deference beetwen us, their life achievments much higher then mine, i tried to not be empressed, but we both understand who is who. I dont know how to deal with it
2) Cant face her frame when she is evaluated me, to much question what my work is, am i ambitious, purposeful, what i get by my age etc. I cant empress them with my boring life... Looks like an interview not seduction, she is a leader on this date
3)I cant find MY FRAME, i have no strong inner game with that kind of girls

So, i can approach them (is good), can attract them physically (or they did even not came to date), but my behaviour, vibe and words on the dates lead me to fail

PS yes i know it is important to improve myself, i do boxing several month, gym, try new clothes after each salary etc, but they come to date me anyway and i belive it is possible to get them! Please help me guys

PPS has someone this kind of expirience to heve sex with real hot high status girls withot being a rich guy

Thank you!

 

[topcat]

Cool.

Here's where I think your problem lies. You've set wealth as the measure of value within which your relationship with these girls exists. You've basically set a frame that declares "in my relationship with you money is what determines our value". I can bet that whether you overtly state this or not you are projecting it and leading topics in this direction or at least not leading them away from it. Obviously when you set a frame like this the rich girl is the most valuable and you come out the low value one.

What you need to do instead is figure out what attributes you have that make you more valuable than her. Money is her "home turf". What is your "home turf"? Is it a love for and understanding of art and beauty? A love for words and literature? Your sexual prowess? Knowledge of the world? Are you more experienced and scrappy/edgy than these spoiled rich women? What is your domain of expertise? Where are you most confident?

Find this trait in yourself, make sure it is one that a woman can look up to. This is your frame. This is where your value lies. Now judge her against it. Qualify her against it. Talk about your love for it, and how it enriches your life and how you wish it enriched the lives of those poor souls who don't have it, or experience the world as you do. You judge her against it (does she experience this herself? wouldn't it be great if she did?) then when she comes up lower in value, save her from her shame (save her from autorejecting) by offering her a glimpse into your world. Draw her into your experience. The experience of a 29year old Eastern European construction worker, is something I bet she doesn't get to experience everyday. Make it an adventure...

Best

 

[Razorlight]

Here's where I think your problem lies. You've set wealth as the measure of value within which your relationship with these girls exists. You've basically set a frame that declares "in my relationship with you money is what determines our value". I can bet that whether you overtly state this or not you are projecting it and leading topics in this direction or at least not leading them away from it. Obviously when you set a frame like this the rich girl is the most valuable and you come out the low value one.

True, i tried lies to look like a man with money and convince her im not so poor as i look like. Shame on me. too much work i need to do with my inner game and belives.

 

[Alpha13SC]

I think this can work in your favor actually. You're not like the other guys she's dating.

Also, realizing that being a Lover doesn't actually imply wealth, or money, but experiences. So her going on a date with you is still because your abilities, and with them you can outframe her. I worked in constructions, starting from 13-14 years old , tough experience and can really build your character. Never hid that, actually take pride in it.

Also taking care of yourself and your image is different than looking like a man with money. Maybe a self image reconsideration.

 

[Will_V]

1) "Value" deference beetwen us, their life achievments much higher then mine, i tried to not be empressed, but we both understand who is who. I dont know how to deal with it

This is the problem. There is zero reason for her to have more life experiences than you, just because she's rich.

She should feel like a coddled little girl while you are the big dirty pirate going off in rags on adventures across the seven seas.

 

[Zoro]

I think you got some good advice already.

But another point to consider I s that you’re comparing yourself to her, a woman.

She’s going to be comparing you to other men, and other men are pretty fucking average these days.

I’ve had girls choose me over guys who were more physically attractive or had more money, why? Because I can compete when it comes to understanding what women really want, a solid presence and some great D. All the stuff here on GC, when properly learn and applied, puts you in a whole other league.

One more thing, sounds like you might be revealing too much about yourself too quickly. Maintain some mystery and intrigue, let her peel back your layers, and if you do it right, she will discover those exciting and refreshing qualities that a well versed GC student can offer.

 

[Skills]

These are all great answers, specially topcat.... Culturally you are in Eastern Europe, where a bit different than usa for example, here women would not care much about that... Eastern Europe is a bit different... But 29 you are still a kid you can sell them on ambition...

-There is just too much friction (and you are not helping i am just going to talk about this to make analogy), imagine a 48 year old college professor dating a 19 year old club rat= too much friction the 48 year old college professor is better of dating a girl that is obsessed with literature (i am trying to make an analogy).... Is demographics/friction...

-Anyways, you need to have a prepare answer on the work question where is not a dlv, but a dhv in pick up terms.... For example instead of saying that you are a "construction worker" you can say that you are a "general contractor that works on the design and structure of buildings and houses" with tons of confidence....

-You do not need expensive high design clothes, you need and "style" a "stereotype" and is not that expensive have one or 2 good outfits that fit well and match your stereotype (i guarantee you, you don't have this, cause you will never hear guys that know how to dress talking about "high design")

-Also you probably don't know how to "Date"... I am noticing talking to many seducers most don't know how to do it properly is very tricky (they are use to ons, dating is totally different ballgame), you are getting caught up on "dates" that shit don't work(trust me on this), cause now you are going into interview and she value assessing stuff and going into her "check list" we don't do "dates" cause is value assessing land/not getting laid land... You need to learn other strategies, making things very informal and spontaneous...

- As i sound like a broken record once you lay them 3 times, nothing matters really (which should be your goal)

 

[Derek da man]

Some fantastic advice above already.

As said, change the way you see yourself, look at yourself from her perspective:

-He works in construction - to most people putting up a building is a "dark art" as they have no idea how it is done, so sell her on its technical, and physical challenges that you overcome daily, its important work so people have good homes or nice offices or whatever which tells her you understand value not money
-He is passionate about his life - this should not be limited to your work but also your self improvement, your boxing and getting fit, future career prospects, living in the moment and enjoying lift and when you are with her loving her company
-He is way better than the competition - treat her as an equal, be interested in her but don't give her more value than yourself. Most men will put her on a pedestal and treat her as a god or some rare object, that's not a challenge for her so be different and make her work for you.

On a positive note, you have no trouble getting them on a date so you've got a lot of things right already

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

Hi all, i am a construction worker 29yo who lives in Eastern Europe has an average salary, no car, no high fashion clothes and cant afford too much

I have improved my game a lot, i know how to get a "6-7" average girls, but this is not a game, because we had a same value "naturally"

This year i had 4 dates with a real super hot (for me) 7-8 rich girls, 2 models, 1 actress (not so famous), 1 rich girl she has a real high status job at finance sector. All this dates were failed. I tried improve every date but failed anyway i have some issues:

1) "Value" deference beetwen us, their life achievments much higher then mine, i tried to not be empressed, but we both understand who is who. I dont know how to deal with it
2) Cant face her frame when she is evaluated me, to much question what my work is, am i ambitious, purposeful, what i get by my age etc. I cant empress them with my boring life... Looks like an interview not seduction, she is a leader on this date
3)I cant find MY FRAME, i have no strong inner game with that kind of girls

So, i can approach them (is good), can attract them physically (or they did even not came to date), but my behaviour, vibe and words on the dates lead me to fail

PS yes i know it is important to improve myself, i do boxing several month, gym, try new clothes after each salary etc, but they come to date me anyway and i belive it is possible to get them! Please help me guys

PPS has someone this kind of expirience to heve sex with real hot high status girls withot being a rich guy

Thank you!

There is a saying that I've always been fond of, I remember reading it in a book at one point or another. It originates of course from old school philisophical thinkings of times which are of a by gone era.

"Frog in the pond, thinks it knows the whole ocean."

There "MusT" hahahaha I always love using that one.

I'll give you my two opinions, these are my assumptions from your style of writing;

1) Unconfident people tend to move into not taking pauses. The lizard brain in guys for whatever reason always thinks to themselves that unless there is "noise" there is no place to make a pivot towards *(This is the important part) seduction. But there is a seductive quality to silence and being an attentive listener.

*(Lady and the Tramp Spaghetti scene is the vibe I'm doing here)

2) There is a reason you hooked and ended up going on dates with these women. It's because they find YOU ATTRACTIVE. You could be the boringest person in the world, and yet if they are horny and you are horny and you are the only man in the vicinity you'll probably get a lay.

Which brings point two into the picture.

- Where exactly are you taking these women for dates?

- How long are these dates lasting for?

My secondary guess is that you are taking them out for fancy dinners?

Hopefully I hit my marks.
Must0

 

[Razorlight]

But 29 you are still a kid you can sell them on ambition...

Kind of, our mentality is about "you must have some potential at your 30 but you also reached a checkpoint of life - what you ve got here at ur 30?" I know in other Europe it is ok to live with parents before 29-30, but not us. A several answers told me to show my expirience of life and confedence, not money - i will try this.

-Anyways, you need to have a prepare answer on the work question where is not a dlv, but a dhv in pick up terms.... For example instead of saying that you are a "construction worker" you can say that you are a "general contractor that works on the design and structure of buildings and houses" with tons of confidence....

Thank you. I have a few ideas to create story about my job more "Dhv" and close to be true

you are going into interview and she value assessing stuff and going into her "check list"

THIS IS! Hot girls give me an exam but not a date with some sexual vibe. It is my fault. I cant turn on my attraction triggers because feel myself "low value" with top girls, i let them examine me, too much qualification from her and zero from me. I dont know how to be sexual because i afraid to do compliments to hot girls and be lower then her. I look up to sexual gambits i have found on this site, should be useful.

don't give her more value than yourself. Most men will put her on a pedestal and treat her as a god or some rare object, that's not a challenge for her so be different and make her work for you.

This is a great advice, i feel like this, but it is more easy to write then be a real challenge for a hot girl in the moment we are dating. I tried it to but it is hard when her reality is so strong and life so bright, big flat in city center, a car, great job, sport, travels, a lot of opportunities to have a real fun etc. Another life.

On a positive note, you have no trouble getting them on a date so you've got a lot of things right already

Thank you bro, that is why i start this topic (our country forums all dead and come to be more natural), i tousched them, attract them and I belive i can have a sex relationship with a real hot girl

Unconfident people tend to move into not taking pauses.

Some dates i was a real great listener, she speaks 80% - me 20%. But some girls just dont talk to much, and as I know this my role to lead a converstaion if it is near to be boring and have a lot of pauses. I feel more comfortable when girls tell me more about herself, but some girls prefer to be quit and dont tell me much. Anyway many girls told me that we had a great conversation. The problem is that conversation look like she is qualifies me, not i seduce her.

nd yet if they are horny and you are horny and you are the only man in the vicinity you'll probably get a lay.

Yes. It will help with my inner game, I really shoud be more sexual at the dating and create this vibe

- Where exactly are you taking these women for dates?

- How long are these dates lasting for?

Bars or lounge with a warm ambience, we sit together on the same couch, drink tea or coctales, i do some kino (without sexual vibe and feeling miself more valuable then her - this give me nothing). 1,5-2 hours long.
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Thank you all, a lot to think about and try in practice

 

[Jan]

I don't consider myself experienced and knowledgable enough to give affirmative advice, but maybe you can ask next girl what did she like about you that had made her come to a date with you.