Sales from seduction

[Knight]

Hey all!
I was thinking about starting in sales next year after I finish school as I have always had a strong part of me want to sell to people even though having many introvert qualities which made things very hard unless I was completely focused on a topic for a period of time. With Girls Chase I no longer feel a lot of those qualities and am finding social interactions very fun. In sales do the same rules apply as in seduction? Can I employ the law of least effort and compliance with customers to increase my sales? Many sales people walk and go out of their way completely for a customer with often little return; such as a sale. Would it be possible to use 'yes ladders' and moving the customers to increase sales? Is incidental touching allowed? Would deep diving and listening help me? I know Chase and Eric have done their time in the fields and at the moment they're some of my biggest idols, I'd love to hear from you both and others on this board.

EDIT: Just to be clear I am not working in sales or anything like that at the moment. I'm a student. "Which made things very hard" was referring to social interactions in general or helping another at school invest in a product although I knew deep down which product to recommend. I just didn't know how or why to start.
- Knight

 

[Thinkingenigma]

You have to be careful with the touching, but otherwise you can use these techniques like crazy. I realized early on that what Chase is teaching isn't really seduction. He's teaching you how to sell yourself, but he's using seduction as a frame. I work in sales and I am one of the most liked employees because I apply these techniques. Within about two weeks, I was also competing with the two top sales reps in my department for the top spot (and they had a 2-week head start on me for that period). I've used these skills to get jobs, to get better grades in class (sad but true, professors give better grades to the students who they think care about the class more. Having conversations with them after class is the best way to achieve this.), and to lose my pariah status at school (I'm an atheist at a Christian college, but it hardly affects me now aside from the occasional objection while on a date).

 

[Knight]

You have to be careful with the touching, but otherwise you can use these techniques like crazy. I realized early on that what Chase is teaching isn't really seduction. He's teaching you how to sell yourself, but he's using seduction as a frame. I work in sales and I am one of the most liked employees because I apply these techniques. Within about two weeks, I was also competing with the two top sales reps in my department for the top spot (and they had a 2-week head start on me for that period). I've used these skills to get jobs, to get better grades in class (sad but true, professors give better grades to the students who they think care about the class more. Having conversations with them after class is the best way to achieve this.), and to lose my pariah status at school (I'm an atheist at a Christian college, but it hardly affects me now aside from the occasional objection while on a date).

That's awesome man. Sounds like you deserve it too!
Quick question - how did you get started?

 

[Thinkingenigma]

Quick question - how did you get started?

I'm not completely sure what you mean, but if you mean what did I focus on first in social situations, it would be my confidence, or the appearance of having confidence. Besides that, I focused on being warm and open with people. I already was a decent conversationalist, but that was something that I was able to greatly improve with a few tips from Chase. TBH, my focus has only recently shifted to romantic relationships. Up until now, I've been focusing on becoming higher value and learning how to communicate to people in general. This was to avoid my tendency to take shortcuts, which in this situation would be to use gimmicks and other less fruitful methods of winning a girl over. It's worked wonders, and I can say that the effort has definitely been rewarded.

 

[Knight]

Quick question - how did you get started?

I'm not completely sure what you mean, but if you mean what did I focus on first in social situations, it would be my confidence, or the appearance of having confidence. Besides that, I focused on being warm and open with people. I already was a decent conversationalist, but that was something that I was able to greatly improve with a few tips from Chase. TBH, my focus has only recently shifted to romantic relationships. Up until now, I've been focusing on becoming higher value and learning how to communicate to people in general. This was to avoid my tendency to take shortcuts, which in this situation would be to use gimmicks and other less fruitful methods of winning a girl over. It's worked wonders, and I can say that the effort has definitely been rewarded.

To clarify I meant How did you get started in sales?
Did you just start at this company intending to sell services/products to people or were you doing something else and decided you wanted to sell products/services?
Just curious

 

[Thinkingenigma]

To clarify I meant How did you get started in sales?
Did you just start at this company intending to sell services/products to people or were you doing something else and decided you wanted to sell products/services?
Just curious

Well, I've worked several different sales jobs. I currently work in retail, and I got that job because I knew one of their managers and she called me a while back to let me know they had a job opening. However, that wouldn't have happened if I hadn't made friends with her while we were both working at a TV studio. It's all about networking.

 

[Knight]

To clarify I meant How did you get started in sales?
Did you just start at this company intending to sell services/products to people or were you doing something else and decided you wanted to sell products/services?
Just curious

Well, I've worked several different sales jobs. I currently work in retail, and I got that job because I knew one of their managers and she called me a while back to let me know they had a job opening. However, that wouldn't have happened if I hadn't made friends with her while we were both working at a TV studio. It's all about networking.

Yes, very true. Thanks for that mate

 

[Chase]

Howdy Knight,

In sales do the same rules apply as in seduction?

What TE said - yes, absolutely, and then some.

When I'm trying to learn something new, I often look for synergistic opportunities to learn a complimentary skill. Seduction and sales are highly complimentary, but they have their own tweaks and differences. I learned sales first, and had to make the transition to sales second. However, I've also watched seducer friends try learning sales, and seen the bumpy road there too. In both instances, if you're good at one but not skilled at the other, you tend to come in assuming it'll be a walk in the park, only to find it's not quite as easy to adapt as you expected.

However, as you learn the different niche, you're able to both translate a lot of what you learned, as well as pick up new things you can translate back. I feel like I have an almost unfair advantage over a lot of my seducer friends because of sales. There are a lot of little things I catch them doing wrong that are easy for me to pinpoint and get around for having sold. And I am pretty sure that if I went back into sales today, I'd be much better at it for having learned seduction. Actually, correction - I have done some sales recently! I did a bit for a former business I ran, and was sharper then than ever; and I do some degree of selling with this business too. I've also pitched business ideas and easily sold investors on them, even if I didn't end up taking the money. It was good practice, and nice to know I can do it. My selling now is leagues ahead of where it was when I was a pure salesman as a result of what I've learned in seduction.

Especially if you're young and it won't be a permanent job, I can't recommend getting a sales job enough. If you're an introvert, it's probably going to be a little tough at first, but once you get past the early hurdles, you're going to have an immensely useful skill set that's going to benefit you greatly for the rest of your life.

Chase

 

[Good Vibes]

In sales do the same rules apply as in seduction? Can I employ the law of least effort and compliance with customers to increase my sales? Many sales people walk and go out of their way completely for a customer with often little return; such as a sale. Would it be possible to use 'yes ladders' and moving the customers to increase sales? Is incidental touching allowed? Would deep diving and listening help me?

With a lot of sales experience myself I'd say if you apply the law of least effort with customers you will get less sales, that's for sure. Customers expect you to follow up for their business. Always use yes momentum, and move customers too if appropriate for your type of selling, you need to be careful with touching customers, it's usually not nessasary for getting the sale. Deep Diving and listening are very important things to master in sales.

 

[Thinkingenigma]

With a lot of sales experience myself I'd say if you apply the law of least effort with customers you will get less sales, that's for sure. Customers expect you to follow up for their business. Always use yes momentum, and move customers too if appropriate for your type of selling, you need to be careful with touching customers, it's usually not nessasary for getting the sale. Deep Diving and listening are very important things to master in sales.

I don't know that the Law of Least effort is ineffective. It's a matter of using it properly, just like when meeting girls. As I see it, the Law of Least effort is about calibrating your level of effort, and not about failing to keep your customer interested. If you make a deal too sweet, the customer will often start to get suspicious, and you'll begin to lose rapport. If you don't help the customer out at all, they want to take their business elsewhere. It's about finding that happy medium.

 

[Knight]

Hey guys,
I think calibrating Law of Least Effort is the way to go in sales. It's all about appearing effortless.

 

[Good Vibes]

Hey guys,
I think calibrating Law of Least Effort is the way to go in sales. It's all about appearing effortless.

Perhaps my interpretation was different, I agree to appear effortless rather than over doing your presentation however remember we're talking about selling not seducing. It doesn't matter if a customer thinks of you as a lover or a friend. I think if I was a female customer I would more likely trust and buy from a friendly male than a mysterious attractive guy.

 

[Knight]

I see your points and agree with them.
However I believe in using many of the techniques and social understandings learnt here to go through with any interaction (that being a sale or pickup) to fulfill my goals. That being said, I don't plan to use them as I would within seduction - it would require tailoring upon the circumstances.

Into different waters now, do you enjoy selling your tangible/intangible product?

 

[Good Vibes]

Into different waters now, do you enjoy selling your tangible/intangible product?

Most of my customers are women and my job sees me inside of the homes and bedrooms alone with women day after day.

Nah...I hate it.

 

[Chase]

Vibes-

Perhaps my interpretation was different, I agree to appear effortless rather than over doing your presentation however remember we're talking about selling not seducing. It doesn't matter if a customer thinks of you as a lover or a friend. I think if I was a female customer I would more likely trust and buy from a friendly male than a mysterious attractive guy.

Yes, absolutely - friendly trumps mysterious in sales most of the time. The LLE is more about how much work you appear to be doing as you do things, rather than not doing any work at all.

A salesman following the LLE may greet his customer and say, "Let's go take a look at your bedroom and see what kind of work needs to be done," and let her lead the way.

A salesman not following the LLE might greet his customer and say, standing in the doorway, "Can you tell me about what kind of work needs to be done? Uh-huh? Okay... how about the ceilings? Any water spots? All right, let me get that note down..." never realizing it'll be easier and more efficient - and he'll be seen as a lot more competent - to simply go up and take a look at things and have her talk him through it as he looks it all over and catches anything she's missed or tells her things she's concerned about aren't anything to be concerned about at all.

That said, for anyone interested, some great research on persuasion here:

Nonverbal Behaviors, Persuasion, and Credibility

How should you speak to be most persuasive?

Effects of pitch and speech rate on personal attributions.

I plan on using these in some upcoming articles, but they're relevant here too.

Chase

 

[Knight]

Vibes-

Perhaps my interpretation was different, I agree to appear effortless rather than over doing your presentation however remember we're talking about selling not seducing. It doesn't matter if a customer thinks of you as a lover or a friend. I think if I was a female customer I would more likely trust and buy from a friendly male than a mysterious attractive guy.

Yes, absolutely - friendly trumps mysterious in sales most of the time. The LLE is more about how much work you appear

That said, for anyone interested, some great research on persuasion here:

Nonverbal Behaviors, Persuasion, and Credibility

How should you speak to be most persuasive?

Effects of pitch and speech rate on personal attributions.

I plan on using these in some upcoming articles, but they're relevant here too.

Chase

Awesome, I always love to read things like this. Thanks mate.