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har777

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I met a girl at the nightclub last Saturday and danced with get she grabbed my hip and I pulled her in and kissed as I thought it was an escalation window. She also kissed back and ran back to dance with her friends. I ran into her again ,teased her for being a sloppy kisser and then I talked a and danced a little and tried to isolate her from her friends by buying her a shot but she brought her friends along with her and wouldn't let go. I proposed we should grab drinks sometime. She gave me her number and ran back to her friends. I thought it was not a solid contact. However she texted back pretty good and I setup a date.

My throat was bad due dry heater in my bedroom, forgot to turn on my humidifier. I still wanted to meet her as it's a week and I might lose the lead. I met her on the date at a nice cocktail bar. I was dressed in all blue with different contrasts. We hugged and did a Montreal two cheek kiss. she was a lot more cold and I tried to break the ice I asked her how was her day and said I had been work from home the whole time. She said she works in a school as an occupational therapist. She was at home due to public strike. I explain her that my voice is muddled due to not using my humidifier and I am not sick. I told her that the waiter asked us to wait as it is busy. She told me that she was surprised at the crowd and never been here. I told her that it was one of the 50 best bars of North America and she was like really. I tease her about have trust issues so early on and she chuckled. We got ourselves seating next to each other in a cozy semi-private spots with a group opposite to us. She was curious to see the bar so I walked her into the main area and showed her (make her more comfortable as we were isolated).

The waiter came and asked us if we had been here before and I said I have and she hasn't and he explained how they don't have a menu and craft cocktails for each customer. I told her about how I usually get an old-fashioned but this time I want to try something different and asked what does she drink. she told me she doesn't have any preference as long as it is sweet. I tease by telling I should have just taken her for some soda and it would have been a cheaper date. she smiles and says she doesn't like carbonated and I move one and talk about my favorite drinks. She asked if I go to nightclubs a lot and I said no I usually prefer cocktail bars like this and dive bars to get drinks and relax. I ask her if she goes to nightclub frequently. She said that night was her second time this whole year after once in summer. I tell her about scotch, whiskeys and bourbons. Then about different alcohols I had when I was travelling in Colombia, Mexico and slowly move the topic to travel. We get our drinks and palate cleanser shots. I ask her if she can sense lavender as the waiter said and she says yes and I disagree and say it taste like lemonade and tease her that it is sweet as she likes it.

I talk about the different destinations I have been to and that I have a upcoming trip to Arkansas. she asks why? and I joke to eat some rice and then told her that I had a business trip. Then talk about my upcoming trips to turkey and Asia. She then asks me what I meant by I am ' sorta engineering' from my text. I tell her I work in supplier process improvement but a lot of the stuff is also more working with suppliers and needs more social skills and not purely technical. I ask about her job and how she likes it and she says she likes it but doesn't invest much. I want to do some deep conversations so I try to move to dream career question. What would she do if she had no limitation. She just says she likes her job. I am noticing there is not much connection and not much investment and Then I after talking a little about my job. I switch back to travel and she says she has been to NYC, LA,SF & Boston while complaining how travelling is expensive. I told her I used to live in Boston till I moved here for work asked which does she prefer and she says LA. I tease her says she likes beaches and bikini but not much of a response. I talk about my trip to LA and all the amazing food. She is just giving me one word answers and also asking very little questions at this point. I ask her if she could live anywhere where would she live and she says she likes LA but it is too expensive. I tried to deep dive and get little to nothing I talked about my favorite dream destination : Santiago, Chile.

Then I move to talk about food and ask her what is her favorite and she says Korean and Japanese and I tell mine is middle eastern. I tease her if she likes Korean as it is sweet doing some call back humor and not much response and eye contact is bad and I keep trying to hold mine. We talk a little about restaurants and she talks about how food is expensive. I move on to talk about activities. I start by talking about hiking which I got into during COVID. I told her I am planning to ski this year and asked if she does. She says she has done it once but complains it is too expensive and I ignore it. I ask her what else she does for fun . She says she does dragon boat and I teased her if she got dragonball Z wrong. She chuckles and explain that is is a boating and I tell her I remember from conversation in the club and tell how she has strong arms and touch her arms a little. She says she likes to work out in the gym and I tease her for being a gym rat. I saw that she didn't take it well and then I re-calibrate by saying it was a compliment and I liked how she was into fitness and it made sense considering she rows.

Then I try to move and talk about I tried to talk about my experience in an Asian family and having overbearing Asian parents. I tried to see if she would open up about hers but she just shut it down saying they were always cool. Then tried to talk about moving out from living with parents as adults. These were common themes for both of us which I thought would get me to do dive and emotionally connect. she just simply said she was fine. I knew I'm losing her as eye contact is bad, very little investment, voice is nervous & unamused and she put her handbag between us at the start. I tried to move back and then allowed for some moments of silence and she asked if all my family lived with me or abroad. I talked a little about my family and I asked about her for which she gave small answers.

The whole time I gave some compliments (push), rapport (push) and disagree (pull), tease(pull) alternating between them. I asked her if she wants another drink and and she told me she doesn't plan on drinking too much as she has gym in the morning. An hour and a half into the date I decided ok I'm gonna cut my losses and told her lets walk back. I told her I will walk her back. I told her that I almost planned to cancelled my date due to my throat but wanted to see the cute girl from nightclub. She doesn't respond much but tells me she is cold as she is wearing a fall jacket. I tease her saying she will be fine as she is a Montrealer not much response.

Then walked her to the metro and did a Montreal two check kiss and say we should catch up next week, no response.. (Not) Surprisingly she hasn't responded to my messages. No idea why she was so warm on text and was cold in person.
 

Will_V

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I met a girl at the nightclub last Saturday and danced with get she grabbed my hip and I pulled her in and kissed as I thought it was an escalation window. She also kissed back and ran back to dance with her friends. I ran into her again ,teased her for being a sloppy kisser and then I talked a and danced a little and tried to isolate her from her friends by buying her a shot but she brought her friends along with her and wouldn't let go. I proposed we should grab drinks sometime. She gave me her number and ran back to her friends. I thought it was not a solid contact. However she texted back pretty good and I setup a date.

My throat was bad due dry heater in my bedroom, forgot to turn on my humidifier. I still wanted to meet her as it's a week and I might lose the lead. I met her on the date at a nice cocktail bar. I was dressed in all blue with different contrasts. We hugged and did a Montreal two cheek kiss. she was a lot more cold and I tried to break the ice I asked her how was her day and said I had been work from home the whole time. She said she works in a school as an occupational therapist. She was at home due to public strike. I explain her that my voice is muddled due to not using my humidifier and I am not sick. I told her that the waiter asked us to wait as it is busy. She told me that she was surprised at the crowd and never been here. I told her that it was one of the 50 best bars of North America and she was like really. I tease her about have trust issues so early on and she chuckled. We got ourselves seating next to each other in a cozy semi-private spots with a group opposite to us. She was curious to see the bar so I walked her into the main area and showed her (make her more comfortable as we were isolated).

The waiter came and asked us if we had been here before and I said I have and she hasn't and he explained how they don't have a menu and craft cocktails for each customer. I told her about how I usually get an old-fashioned but this time I want to try something different and asked what does she drink. she told me she doesn't have any preference as long as it is sweet. I tease by telling I should have just taken her for some soda and it would have been a cheaper date. she smiles and says she doesn't like carbonated and I move one and talk about my favorite drinks. She asked if I go to nightclubs a lot and I said no I usually prefer cocktail bars like this and dive bars to get drinks and relax. I ask her if she goes to nightclub frequently. She said that night was her second time this whole year after once in summer. I tell her about scotch, whiskeys and bourbons. Then about different alcohols I had when I was travelling in Colombia, Mexico and slowly move the topic to travel. We get our drinks and palate cleanser shots. I ask her if she can sense lavender as the waiter said and she says yes and I disagree and say it taste like lemonade and tease her that it is sweet as she likes it.

I talk about the different destinations I have been to and that I have a upcoming trip to Arkansas. she asks why? and I joke to eat some rice and then told her that I had a business trip. Then talk about my upcoming trips to turkey and Asia. She then asks me what I meant by I am ' sorta engineering' from my text. I tell her I work in supplier process improvement but a lot of the stuff is also more working with suppliers and needs more social skills and not purely technical. I ask about her job and how she likes it and she says she likes it but doesn't invest much. I want to do some deep conversations so I try to move to dream career question. What would she do if she had no limitation. She just says she likes her job. I am noticing there is not much connection and not much investment and Then I after talking a little about my job. I switch back to travel and she says she has been to NYC, LA,SF & Boston while complaining how travelling is expensive. I told her I used to live in Boston till I moved here for work asked which does she prefer and she says LA. I tease her says she likes beaches and bikini but not much of a response. I talk about my trip to LA and all the amazing food. She is just giving me one word answers and also asking very little questions at this point. I ask her if she could live anywhere where would she live and she says she likes LA but it is too expensive. I tried to deep dive and get little to nothing I talked about my favorite dream destination : Santiago, Chile.

Then I move to talk about food and ask her what is her favorite and she says Korean and Japanese and I tell mine is middle eastern. I tease her if she likes Korean as it is sweet doing some call back humor and not much response and eye contact is bad and I keep trying to hold mine. We talk a little about restaurants and she talks about how food is expensive. I move on to talk about activities. I start by talking about hiking which I got into during COVID. I told her I am planning to ski this year and asked if she does. She says she has done it once but complains it is too expensive and I ignore it. I ask her what else she does for fun . She says she does dragon boat and I teased her if she got dragonball Z wrong. She chuckles and explain that is is a boating and I tell her I remember from conversation in the club and tell how she has strong arms and touch her arms a little. She says she likes to work out in the gym and I tease her for being a gym rat. I saw that she didn't take it well and then I re-calibrate by saying it was a compliment and I liked how she was into fitness and it made sense considering she rows.

Then I try to move and talk about I tried to talk about my experience in an Asian family and having overbearing Asian parents. I tried to see if she would open up about hers but she just shut it down saying they were always cool. Then tried to talk about moving out from living with parents as adults. These were common themes for both of us which I thought would get me to do dive and emotionally connect. she just simply said she was fine. I knew I'm losing her as eye contact is bad, very little investment, voice is nervous & unamused and she put her handbag between us at the start. I tried to move back and then allowed for some moments of silence and she asked if all my family lived with me or abroad. I talked a little about my family and I asked about her for which she gave small answers.

The whole time I gave some compliments (push), rapport (push) and disagree (pull), tease(pull) alternating between them. I asked her if she wants another drink and and she told me she doesn't plan on drinking too much as she has gym in the morning. An hour and a half into the date I decided ok I'm gonna cut my losses and told her lets walk back. I told her I will walk her back. I told her that I almost planned to cancelled my date due to my throat but wanted to see the cute girl from nightclub. She doesn't respond much but tells me she is cold as she is wearing a fall jacket. I tease her saying she will be fine as she is a Montrealer not much response.

Then walked her to the metro and did a Montreal two check kiss and say we should catch up next week, no response.. (Not) Surprisingly she hasn't responded to my messages. No idea why she was so warm on text and was cold in person.

Sounds like maybe she thought you were just a fun times bad boy at the club, and then it turns out you are boyfriend material with a great job who likes fancy places, and she suddenly realized she'd been playing the wrong game.

If you look at the things she talked about on the date it had a lot to do with money - what's your job, this is expensive, that is expensive, etc, that seems to be on her mind. Girls often verbalize what they are thinking about indirectly even when they are not telling you what the issue is. She also seemed to be pretty unfamiliar with that sort of venue and maybe had never been to a place like it. So got self conscious about herself and how she'd behaved until then, resulting in a lot of tension and dead vibe.

Probably would have been best to keep things more low key.
 

har777

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Sounds like maybe she thought you were just a fun times bad boy at the club, and then it turns out you are boyfriend material with a great job who likes fancy places, and she suddenly realized she'd been playing the wrong game.

If you look at the things she talked about on the date it had a lot to do with money - what's your job, this is expensive, that is expensive, etc, that seems to be on her mind. Girls often verbalize what they are thinking about indirectly even when they are not telling you what the issue is. She also seemed to be pretty unfamiliar with that sort of venue and maybe had never been to a place like it. So got self conscious about herself and how she'd behaved until then, resulting in a lot of tension and dead vibe.

Probably would have been best to keep things more low key.
Thanks Chief! I don't think the girl has a lot of nightlife experiences. I have a pretty decent job and a lot of time I jump easy from lover to bf frame. How do I disqualify myself specially when I am a local. One of my friends who is pretty good used to tease me that I should tell I am a grocery bagger and would get laid more.
 

Will_V

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Thanks Chief! I don't think the girl has a lot of nightlife experiences. I have a pretty decent job and a lot of time I jump easy from lover to bf frame. How do I disqualify myself specially when I am a local. One of my friends who is pretty good used to tease me that I should tell I am a grocery bagger and would get laid more.

In this case the problem seems to be the difference between what you presented at the club vs the date. If you meet a girl at the club and she's drinking, dancing and smooching all over you, you don't want to go to a date with her at some fancy cocktail place dressed up like some kind of catch, because then she'll go into autorejection or put the brakes on hard.

How did you come across at the club? That's what you needed to maintain, calibrated for a different environment (date).

To disqualify yourself as a bf there are a bunch of things you can do, here are some examples: https://www.girlschase.com/content/telling-women-youre-not-boyfriend-material

One thing I almost always do is to dress lowkey but with style, and make the date very laid back at some interesting but low end venue, like some artisan coffee shop or a low end bar with a good atmosphere. The message I want to get across is 'with me it's about conversation, sex, and nothing else'. The date is only a means to that end.

To put it another way, to use an analogy from the Titanic, you want your date to be the third class dance in the bilge, not the dinner up in the fancy restaurant.
 

Hector Papi Castillo

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she was a lot more cold and I tried to break the ice I asked her how was her day and said I had been work from home the whole time

If you notice she's cold, then you need to do the opposite of what you're doing, trying to be chatty and friendly. Be very relaxed and DON'T

1. Tease
2. Compliment
3. Talk a lot

There could be a lot of reasons she's acting this way. Maybe she's nervous, maybe you're not what she remembered and she's disappointed, maybe she's tired, etc. It can be a lot of things at once, but if you see this cold aloof behavior, you almost always react the same way. By being similar to her, but NOT seeming butthurt. Very relaxed and smile, but not in a "happy go lucky" kind of way. Just a light smile. Speak slow and light. Nothing too heavy. When I'm not in a good mood, one of the most annoying things someone can do is tease me or be too friendly. It absolutely drives me up a wall.

told her that it was one of the 50 best bars of North America and she was like really

This is lame. Don't do this. Don't brag about you or anything being "ranked" in any way.
I tease her about have trust issues so early on and she chuckled.
Also lame. You want girls to tease you about trust issues. If anyone's supposed to be the badboy with trust issues, it's you. Wrong dynamic. Small thing, but it will add up over time with other mistakes.

I tease by telling I should have just taken her for some soda and it would have been a cheaper date.
Oh jesus christ that's horrible. It's bad for multiple reasons

- you're reiterating that this place is fancy, which says "look how cool I am and how hard I'm trying"
- insulting her

Not good.

She asked if I go to nightclubs a lot and I said no I usually prefer cocktail bars like this and dive bars to get drinks and relax. I ask her if she goes to nightclub frequently. She said that night was her second time this whole year after once in summer. I tell her about scotch, whiskeys and bourbons. Then about different alcohols I had when I was travelling in Colombia, Mexico and slowly move the topic to travel
She said she went to the club for the second time this entire year. I guarantee you she gives absolutely zero fucks about alcohol. Yes, you can make anything interesting if you talk about it in the right way, but just like that day game audio you sent me and I pointed out how the girl wasn't interested, I can guarantee as you were talking about this, you were droning on and on and didn't notice she got super bored. She also doesn't care about traveling so much, I bet. She sounds like a homebody. Yes, you can excite the boring girl with a life of excitement, but you have to read it. It already seems like the wrong vibe.

I ask her if she can sense lavender as the waiter said and she says yes and I disagree and say it taste like lemonade and tease her that it is sweet as she likes it.

Now you're randomly challenging her on her palate. She's clearly not a sommelier or anything like that. This is also just you showing off. If she likes it, she'll like it.
I switch back to travel and she says she has been to NYC, LA,SF & Boston while complaining how travelling is expensive. I told her I used to live in Boston till I moved here for work asked which does she prefer and she says LA. I tease her says she likes beaches and bikini but not much of a response.
More teasing. Annoying her more.

Then I move to talk about food and ask her what is her favorite and she says Korean and Japanese and I tell mine is middle eastern. I tease her if she likes Korean as it is sweet doing some call back humor and not much response and eye contact is bad and I keep trying to hold mine. We talk a little about restaurants and she talks about how food is expensive. I move on to talk about activities. I start by talking about hiking which I got into during COVID. I told her I am planning to ski this year and asked if she does. She says she has done it once but complains it is too expensive and I ignore it.

Have you noticed how many times she has complained about things being expensive and then you talk about things that are really expensive?

- traveling
-skiing
- fancy cocktail lounges

This girl is totally out of her element and instead of guiding her into it like some sexy 50 shades of grey "I'm a billionaire baby let me show you the good life" way, you're just making her feel bad and annoyed.

Every time she says stuff is "expensive," she's saying "I'm not rich and don't live that life, please stop talking about this."

She says she likes to work out in the gym and I tease her for being a gym rat. I saw that she didn't take it well and then I re-calibrate by saying it was a compliment and I liked how she was into fitness and it made sense considering she rows.

Your "teasing" isn't teasing. I've figured it out. Considering how I heard your voice over that cold approach you sent me, I'm pretty sure you just come off insulting and snobby when you "tease." We REALLY need to work on your delivery. And you should absolutely 100% just cut teasing out of your toolbox. You don't know how to do it yet and are using it as a (bad) crutch for your inability to create a connection.

Then I try to move and talk about I tried to talk about my experience in an Asian family and having overbearing Asian parents. I tried to see if she would open up about hers but she just shut it down saying they were always cool. Then tried to talk about moving out from living with parents as adults. These were common themes for both of us which I thought would get me to do dive and emotionally connect. she just simply said she was fine. I knew I'm losing her as eye contact is bad, very little investment, voice is nervous & unamused and she put her handbag between us at the start. I tried to move back and then allowed for some moments of silence and she asked if all my family lived with me or abroad. I talked a little about my family and I asked about her for which she gave small answers.

You guys have nothing in common. When that's the case, you need to build a connection based on other things. But it's dead by now. I doubt I could save it here.


Yeah, lots to work on. I'll message you on instagram.

Hector
 
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