Should I specialize as an intermediate player?

[Jan]

I've been doing this for a while and got decent success (lay count over 70). I'm starting to think that the best way to move to the next level and increase consistency is to specialise.

What do I mean by specialising?

Playing one game. So instead of diluting my time and energy between club game, day game, online game, beach game, whatever. I would focus on my efforts on just one game. By reducing number of games to play, I would expose myself to similar situations over and over again. I believe that experience and improvement time would compound faster if I did one thing only.

It also has some psychological implications. We are all busy and have limited stack of motivation and time. Of course, it would be great to have enough time and resources and time to play all games and get so much better. Realistically, its not the case. Even if we plan to do so much, we almost always end up doing less than we planned. And not because we are lazy, but because are plans are unrealistic.

What do you guys think?

 

[Warped Mindless]

You mentioned time and energy so here is my question to you…

How much time and energy are you spending trying to sleep with a bunch of different women?

I ask this because long time ago I spent a few years going out and trying to lay as many women as possible. After getting my lay count into the triple digits I realized just how much time and energy was going into this and from an investment prospective it just didn’t make any sense.

I decided to make a switch. Instead of trying to get new girls into bed every week, I decided which three women I liked best and only kept them around. Because every now and then one of them would “fall out” I would keep my “funnel” full by continually doing the bare minimum of day game and online stuff. This has allowed me to not only focus on quality over quantity, but it allowed me to have a lot more time to spend on stuff with a higher return on investment.

This is how I’ve been doing it for the past six years or so, maybe more. If I see a cute girl while I’m out and about I’ll still go meet her if I want. Cool thing is, because I almost always have three girls (that’s the number I like, yours may be different) I’m sleeping with, my level of “not giving a single fuck” has truly brought my “game” to another level.

It’s my belief that once a guy gets decent at game and has his fundamentals handled and is decent at getting laid, it’s usually a better idea to switch to the “rotation” model instead of the “sleep with as many women as possible” model and carve out time for bigger and better goals. Make money, health, and whatever else your goals and priorities and put them before any one woman. Ironic thing is, once women see they have no power or control over you because you are truly a high value man that chases goals instead of pussy, they will throw themselves at you anyways.

Just something to consider.

 

[Jan]

My goal is not so much increasing my lay count as skill development + getting higher quality girls.

TIme-wise, I would say I spend maybe 6 hours per week + 2 dates per each (lets say 4 hours each). So 14 hours per week in total. In some weeks I can bump it up to 20.

 

[Warped Mindless]

So a lot of times getting “higher quality” and more attractive women isn’t totally a issue of getting better game. Many times it’s about increasing your looks (more muscle, less fat, better style), and increasing your actual status and value by having a cool life and being a cool person. When you combine game + looks + being a high status guy that chases after goals, many times you get the high value good looking women on the side.

 

[Tr1cky]

Yes I agree, delete your online dating.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

I've been doing this for a while and got decent success (lay count over 70). I'm starting to think that the best way to move to the next level and increase consistency is to specialise.

What do I mean by specialising?

Playing one game. So instead of diluting my time and energy between club game, day game, online game, beach game, whatever. I would focus on my efforts on just one game. By reducing number of games to play, I would expose myself to similar situations over and over again. I believe that experience and improvement time would compound faster if I did one thing only.

It also has some psychological implications. We are all busy and have limited stack of motivation and time. Of course, it would be great to have enough time and resources and time to play all games and get so much better. Realistically, its not the case. Even if we plan to do so much, we almost always end up doing less than we planned. And not because we are lazy, but because are plans are unrealistic.

What do you guys think?

If the goal is to get more conventionally attractive women - a lot of them are in night game, but you really do need to focus on the cluster of attractive women you want.

Of the 5 types of game (night game, day game, online, passport, and social circle) - Social Circle is the norm for most people and still the most powerful long term. (in my not so humble opinion)

So the goal of all SC game is to get into one, become a peer, and become a superior.

Maybe you're thing is ABG, Asian Baby Girls - you'll need to get into the LA scene/JDM Scene and climb that social hierarchy. - the girl has to see you as a peer or a superior.

Maybe you like strippers - you need to work in the hospitality industry (or the recreational drug industry) - the girl has to see you as a peer or a superior.

Maybe you're into Real Estate Agents (often times the hottest and most social chicks in their college years that failed to snag a guy then) - You need to get into the real estate business - so the girl sees you as a peer or a superior.

If you like pornstars - A Camera, a web presence, and an ads in Craig's List.

If you're looking for a more universal skill set - you want to be a real head shrinker - then you need to put yourself in a position to have more extended one-on-one time with lots of attractive girls. (Counselor, Psychiatrist)

If it's a generic increase the lay count with "higher quality women" you're after - then you can use their strategy - just look a lot better and go to places where they go (high end malls, modeling calls, moving to LA or NYC, arguably Vegas and Miami). Be pretty, show up, and talk to people.

Obviously you can combine the skill set - social circle + online fame + one on one skills ->

For example - this is one of Mystery's old personal assistants -

He lives in Vegas and specializes in Playboy Bunny/Bikini Model type girls.

Is he banging everyone of these chicks that he meets? Probably not.
Is he banging more than a few as a man about town in Vegas? Most definitely.

Specialization is key.

Lemme show my anti-day game bias - don't specialize in day game. Not enough density.

Lemme show my night game bias - becoming a club promoter, bartender, or someone else in the life is a good move.

If travel is your thing, spending 3 months in a place is better than 2 weeks. And it makes sense to learn Brazilian portuguese before you fly into Rio. Learn Spanish before Colombia. Even learning a bit of Tagalog will make you do even better in Manila.

Online Dating? - about half of 18-29 year olds use online dating. https://www.statista.com/statistics/309461/us-adults-online-dating-site-usage-age/

So specializing in this type of dating will get you more "bangs" for your buck.

But if you're looking for a unicorn? It's generally harder imo.

WIA

 

[Skills]

I've been doing this for a while and got decent success (lay count over 70). I'm starting to think that the best way to move to the next level and increase consistency is to specialise.

What do I mean by specialising?

Playing one game. So instead of diluting my time and energy between club game, day game, online game, beach game, whatever. I would focus on my efforts on just one game. By reducing number of games to play, I would expose myself to similar situations over and over again. I believe that experience and improvement time would compound faster if I did one thing only.

It also has some psychological implications. We are all busy and have limited stack of motivation and time. Of course, it would be great to have enough time and resources and time to play all games and get so much better. Realistically, its not the case. Even if we plan to do so much, we almost always end up doing less than we planned. And not because we are lazy, but because are plans are unrealistic.

What do you guys think?

-to specialize in one niche game will definitely increase your success in that type of game IF you are learning from mistakes and improving.. You will naturally see which one gives you the best results..... all games can be combined with online game.....

-also the idea that "Game" takes soooo much time is not so, is a time management issue read this post...

- i personally disagree with the rotation vs gaming argument.... Rotation takes time and energy too.... It comes down to preference do you enjoy time with rotation women vs do you enjoy time pimping.... Both take kind of equal amount of time...(rotantion takes time too)

some tips:

- do not drink alcohol or do drugs
- do not do night game when you have to go to work the next day
- do going about your day, day game (supermarkets are awesome vs trolling in malls)
- do online game only when stuck in traffic, waiting in _____ fill in the blank, toilet aka down times.....
- schedule dates on your lunch breaks or days off....

Always have one "to go girl"(main) and then girls on the side that you rotate or ons, once the rotation potential, replace main after she is proven...

 

[DonGately]

If you have intermediate game you can definitely get hotter girls by specializing. I've hot lots of guys ask me how I continue to pull hot college/grad school girls in their early 20s when I'm twice their age.

I'm successful in life but there's plenty of older guys with money. And I dress well but same thing to a lesser extent.
Now I mostly specialize in dominant, experienced man game. I'm willing to talk about D/s and kink/bdsm on first meets. And it's not the heavily tatted and pierced girls I'm going after, that's not my thing though a few discreet tats are fine with me. But if they show no interest in submitting or kink, I stop pursuing unless I'm getting the green light.

So many girls are into/curious about rough, kinky sex and they are definitely NOT getting that from their peers. And an older man is seen as 'safer' if they're going to be tied up. Usually on the 2nd date I can get them to do anything I want with limited exceptions. I've had green light girls on the first date tell me inside an hour they wanted to get on their knees and blow me, at 8pm on a weeknight. You should need to be putting out the energy they are looking for.

 

[Jan]

If you have intermediate game you can definitely get hotter girls by specializing. I've hot lots of guys ask me how I continue to pull hot college/grad school girls in their early 20s when I'm twice their age.

I'm successful in life but there's plenty of older guys with money. And I dress well but same thing to a lesser extent.
Now I mostly specialize in dominant, experienced man game. I'm willing to talk about D/s and kink/bdsm on first meets. And it's not the heavily tatted and pierced girls I'm going after, that's not my thing though a few discreet tats are fine with me. But if they show no interest in submitting or kink, I stop pursuing unless I'm getting the green light.

So many girls are into/curious about rough, kinky sex and they are definitely NOT getting that from their peers. And an older man is seen as 'safer' if they're going to be tied up. Usually on the 2nd date I can get them to do anything I want with limited exceptions. I've had green light girls on the first date tell me inside an hour they wanted to get on their knees and blow me, at 8pm on a weeknight. You should need to be putting out the energy they are looking for.

I would love to hear more about the mature game/bdsm type of vibe, and bdsm related sexual talk. This is something I've done before and would like to specialize in.

Do you have any website or something when you share your experiences, or should I browse your posts on this forum?

 

[DonGately]

I don't, you can learn a lot from any number of sources on BDSM, I suggest joining fetlife. I had a lot more written at RVF but that's all gone. I'm a very good conversationalist so sexualizing the conversation is not that hard for me, esp if we're having a couple of drinks. Most younger women I meet are very sex-positive, even those with a low N.

I wrote this in the spring here:
My niche is 'smart, fit, facially above-average college girls [19-24] who are fashionable and kinky/submissive.' I can narrow my potential range down in a bar, or in a park, pretty quickly with that as broad as it sounds. But the key is that I present to them someone who is: smart, fit, fashionable, kinky/dominant, successful/older, open-minded. Most kinky/subs are going to want/need older guys to bang anyway. Most college girls are looking for new experiences -- from going on a date to a guy twice their age, or trying whiskey, to being caned and triple penetrated with toys/my cock.

Is she studying postmodern fiction? There's my opener. Is she wearing stiletto heels, Stuart Weitzman boots, Loubis? Or expensive designer skirts? Opener. Take it from there.

College girls today have no problem showing off their tattoos, chokers, collars, reading BDSM in public. Opener. 'Is that [points to choker/collar] a fashion accessory or are you about that lifestyle?' You can't always tell a girl is kinky but you can always tell a girl who wants you to know she is.
She's either going to laugh and be like, Nooooo it's just fashion! Or look at you and let you know what she's looking for if she's DTF with a dominant guy who has game. I've met girls in bars and taken them to strip clubs 10 minutes later. That girl is gonna want to fuck you [and she let me tie her up first time].

She's looking at my custom suit and Charvet tie & pocket square? Opener. Girls love a guy who can dress well. Re-read what WIA said. She knows my outfit costs more than all her clothes back in the dorm combined. Show, don't tell.
She's drinking a mojito and I am too? She wants to go to a casino? I love gambling.

It's like mirroring but with your whole lifestyle & presentation, not just your words. That is when I made the leap to solid, intermediate game that gets 19-24yr old hot, smart, kinky girls on a consistent basis. I do live in a big city so that helps.'

 

[Fuck This]

So what are you trying to prove after 70 plus lays?
Is there a certificate you hang on the wall when you break 100? (Asking for a friend.) https://www.reddit.com/r/californication/comments/1rv2xp

When I was in a mono relationship and not getting any I was worried I wasn't attractive or suave enough. Then I figured out within half a dozen ONS's that I was just fine in that department.

So knowing I could, I then decided to focus on FULFILLING relationships. Sexual and Platonic.

Makes life much simpler dude.....