Skate or Die

[Skater]

My notes on Game and related topics.

 

[Skater]

Todd V on how his System relates to Verbal Game:

• The System is the skeleton of the interaction that has to be in place.
  • Roadmap. Designed simple to follow infield.
  • In interaction, ask "where am I? what phase?" and act accordingly.
• Verbal Game is the muscles, tendons, organs that make the skeleton come to life.
  • Specific implementation of steps in the System.
  • Some canned material for each phase.
  • How to instinctively generate content infield for each phase congruent to personality.

 

[Skater]

Summary of Todd V's System with notes from FR Sharing is Caring:

1. Open
   • Along with Close, one of two phases that are inherently needy/awkward
   • Get it over with as quickly as possible, just need to start conversation
   • Be loud enough to get her attention
   • Assume advantageous position where she can face you and you can game without discomfort
   • Engage group quickly
     • Girl to group: "hey, you're cute; are these your friends?"
     • Group to girl: "hey guys- whoa this one's trouble!"
   • Direct: compliment, convey interest, give reason e.g. "hey, you're cute/looked interesting; I wanted to meet you" (beginners)
   • Indirect: opinion, comment on situation; have to transition to M2W (intermediate to advanced)
   • Situational/Observational: tease right away, conveying premise spontaneously without tryhard e.g. EC "don't give me that look"
2. Premise
   • Indicating the nature of the interaction/conversation that may happen before you can start to have it
   • Must make clear that "I am a man, you are a woman" in this conversation and acknowledge this fact
     • Not done, resulting in HBTiktok assuming I'm gay, unsure on HBSinger's initial impressions
   • Not necessarily Intent (showing explicit interest in the girl) but Intent is one form of Premise
   • If something happens, it will be sexual in nature; establish M2W frame giving permission to girl to act accordingly
   • Analogy: jobs on offer vs. offering a job
   • Overt compliment: "you're cute/cool; I like you", better keep to her personality/style for best effect
   • Push-pull: "part of me loves you, part of me hates you", keep tension as to whether she can have me
     • Tension dissipated with HBSinger after prolonged bar makeout
   • Premise in the negative: "I'm not gonna go home with you tonight", bring up idea but create barrier
   • Implied premise (not enough, buy time for or add to other premise): teasing, introduction, disagreement, strong opinions
3. Evaluation
   • Make her and both of you together feel special in some way, and that she earned your affection by winning you over
     • Attempted with singer qualification but could've been done better with real Buyer frame
   • Creating idea that girl is winning by meeting you as opposed to you winning
   • Obvious, just ask: "you're cute but beauty is common, what do you have besides..."
   • Challenge: "I'm really into girls that work out... how often do you work out?"
   • Just lead, talk passionately, leave blank: "I'm really into music...", see if she seeks rapport
4. Narrative
   • Create connection, some special story between you and her
   • After interaction, what would she tell her friends about you and about you and her together?
   • Hold off until other phases are thoroughly established and she wants to connect with you
   • Part 1: who you are as a man; conveyed from the beginning, helped by Verbal Game
   • Part 2: who you and her are together, must define part 1 before she wants "us"
5. Close
   • Getting desired result of the interaction
     • Mainly aiming for kiss-close; got it, but then
     • Didn't really believe deep-down I could make it to sex with prevailing logistics so lost steam somewhat
   • Most important part: without it, all preceding stages are meaningless
   • Structure with close in mind: interaction is meant to close and give you results or feedback
   • Game is about being effective and getting results, so focus on closing

 

[Skater]

Todd V on Eras of Game:

1. No Game
   • Game doesn't exist, you get girl you're supposed to based on value
   • To get girls, become a celebrity, football captain, good job, nice car
   • No emphasis on value of social skills and idea that they can be learned
   • Most of the world is oblivious to existence of Game and live in marketing-perpetuated Hollywood fantasy
2. Canned Game
   • Highly scripted and repeat what worked over and over
   • Speed Seduction: long stories for NLP hypnosis
   • Mystery Method: interactive attraction techniques, but performance-based and meticulously planned (mating dance)
   • Pros: low AA, elicit good reactions, provide motivation, powerful (inconsistent) access to hottest girls
   • Cons: no calibration or congruence, uncanny valley of attraction, stark attraction/comfort contrast, running out of routines
   • Very difficult to escalate if frame of "we're not going to get along"
3. Natural Game
   • Came about after The Game around PC concerns for marketing and congruence
   • Similar to No Game era in that you can just be yourself, more congruent and confident
   • Benefitted from discoveries and innovations of Canned Game era (e.g. being the prize, escalation tactics)
   • Still can run out of things to say early on
   • Hard to structure and sequence interactions for best results
   • Discovery of State, achieving flow-state to access natural charisma, and its transference
     • Not always practical to attain and creates undesirable reliance
     • Tough to attain when thinking about getting it or not having it
   • Escalation was a lot smoother and congruent (escalation sequences, two steps forward one back)
     • When girl likes you, can carry it forward physically to result
     • When she doesn't, can feel pushy and annoying
   • More results with lower-quality girls and more guys in the community
   • Lower effectiveness with hottest girls, hit or miss at best
4. Optimized Game
   • Best elements of Canned and Natural for something better than either
   • Have a plan and general structure for direction of interaction that is adaptable for circumstances
   • A few canned lines to fall back to if needed, not shoehorning in when not congruent or productive
   • Process or format for creating lines as needed that are congruent with you and relevant to her
   • Ability to be as powerful and charismatic as Canned style but using selected routines
   • Also congruent and Natural by being yourself, creating routines on the spot

 

[Skater]

Todd V on non-verbal elements:

• Law of Least Effort: don't say what you can nod, don't nod what you can wink, don't wink what you can smile
• Volume: you believe what you say, don't care who can hear it, quiet is more awkward mostly
• EC (timing, length, intensity): best used when making a point
• Pauses (timing, length): encourage her participation, emphasize points
• Inflection (happy/sad, friendly/antagonistic): change meaning of words
• Tonality (TR, NR, BR): all have utility but generally opt for somewhere between NR to BR
• Safe baseline is acting as if in supportive environment where positive reaction is expected (like around friends or girlfriends)