FR SpiralFigure‏

[Marty]

Who would've thought that going to the grocery store to buy bread could be exciting?

It very much depends whom you meet while standing in line...

Yesterday at Publix I had my basket full and was looking for a quick-moving checkout line when I spotted a girl unloading her cart.

And froze.

She was not tall, maybe only 5'6", but she had just about everything else going for her. Rich, dark chocolate curls framed the honey-colored, silken skin of her face and tumbled across her high, supple cheeks as she bent over to retrieve items from her cart, her tiny, black yoga-pant clad ass poking invitingly up with her leg raised in a counterbalancing motion. The whole effect was that of a skater executing the "spiral" figure. A standard-issue office rubber band would not have snapped if stretched about her waist.

The exotic look she had about her coupled with her incredible youthfulness made me assume at first she was someone's au pair, perhaps of the mid-thirties blonde currently packing away checked-out groceries at the other end of the counter. But no, they were separate customers. The lady departed.

I came to my senses and got in line right behind the young beauty, eschewing the "15 Items or Fewer" line appropriate to my purchase quantity. Thankfully, no one tried to direct me to it.

Something about her made me feel she'd be receptive... I've no idea what. Perhaps she met eyes with me, I can't remember. But I didn't have an obvious avenue to open with, and I waited patiently, averting my body language and allowing a small smile to play about my lips...until heaven sent me a beautiful opportunity.

As she opened her pocketbook a coin clattered down, through the metal caging of her cart, and hit the floor somewhere. After a brief, fruitless look down she ignored the issue for the moment and attended to payment. I affected not to notice.

The checkout staff were packing up her groceries. She shunted her cart forward, exposing the coin on the floor. With her back turned and her mind occupied with the transaction, I stooped, retrieved the quarter, laid my hand gently on the crook of her elbow, and when I had her full attention, smiled and handed over the quarter without a word.

She gave me the most dazzling smile in recent memory.

She departed. She had heaps of groceries which it would take her a while to load into her car; I had hardly anything. I was willing the checkout staff to process me faster, but I was confident I'd catch her.

As I left the store she was unloading directly at the cart return area, so as not to have to come back later. Bliss. (Okay, okay, I know.)

The averted body-language stage was unneeded this time. There she was, standing and looking right at me as I exited.

Smiling!

I didn't lose a second.

• 
  Marty: That has to be the cutest smile I've seen in over a year.
  
  SpiralFigure: Haha oh really?
  
  Marty: What's your name?
  
  SpiralFigure: SpiralFigure.
  
  Marty: It's good to meet you, SpiralFigure. (taking her hand warmly) I'm Marty.
  
  SpiralFigure: Nice to meet you too!
  
  Marty: You look incredibly young. How old are you?
  
  SpiralFigure: Eighteen.
  
  Marty: Eighteen... so are you studying somewhere?

We had quite a few things in common; I asked her briefly about what she wanted to do with her life and so forth. She is currently working a restaurant shift to save up money for college, and has already been admitted to a local university to begin her study later this year. She told me where she was from and how long she'd been living in-state. She asked me quite a few things about myself, too.

As she built comfort with me during the conversation, I noticed she was wearing earrings in the form of a little oblong "padlock": tiny, perhaps a quarter-inch long and an eighth of an inch across, apparently in sterling silver. I reached out steadily, placed my index finger gently behind her earlobe and flexed it toward myself in a "come hither" motion, leaning closer to inspect the beauty of the decoration on her practically-perfect face.

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  Marty: Those are lovely earrings—they have a little "lock" design. It looks very attractive on you.
  
  SpiralFigure: (smiling) Thank you!

She agreed to a date in principle and entered her number into my phone. I kissed her on the cheek (sorry Anatman!) and we said our farewells.

This took place at about 12:30 PM. At around 2:45 PM, I used a very standard, boilerplate text message as an icebreaker:

"Happy to meet you, SpiralFigure! Save my number -Marty"

At 3:35 PM I received the reply "Great meeting you too!"

I texted her again at 10:15 AM today. "SpiralFigure, would you like to meet with me next week? What's your schedule like at the restaurant... are you free one morning for coffee perhaps?"

Since I waited overnight to message her the second time, she'd be justified in doing the same, so it may be quite a while before I know whether she's willing. This typically seems to be the make-or-break point for me, and based on recent precedent I wouldn't give myself more than a 20% chance of success in persuading her to follow through on an actual personal meeting, but I think I've done what I can. Comments?

-Marty

 

[NaturallySmooth]

Great approach Marty! Good to see you not hesitating and going up to cute girls wherever you see them

"SpiralFigure, would you like to meet with me next week? What's your schedule like at the restaurant... are you free one morning for coffee perhaps?"

I think this is a little weak of a text to send. Particularly the word "perhaps" because it gives way more power to the girl to reject the offer. I think a stronger way to word that text would have been. "Hey SpiralFigure, we should get that coffee we were talking about. Come take a break from work for a bit and grab a drink with me, what's your schedule like next week?"

^Maybe put in a joke there too about something you two talked out.. something like, "make sure to wear those lock earrings, they really complemented your (whatever color) eyes and made them even more beautiful than they already are"

 

[ProblemSolving]

Marty,

I think we've finally found your sticking point - it's your text game! Just like NS said, it was pretty weak, almost like you're expecting her to say "No". Your whole text screams, "Do you like me? Can you please find time to see me?"

Luckily, it's an easy fix amigo! Just assume that the date is already in the bag. It looks like this:

"Hey SpiralFigure! Let's grab that coffee we talked about at Starbucks tomorrow at 4:00"

This way she doesn't even have to think about if she wants to go or not, she's already committed. Now, that time might not work for her, so she replies with, "I can't. I'm working till 7:00". To which you reply, "Not a problem, I'll meet you at 7:30".

Notice the change in dynamic? I didn't have to ASK her anything, so she doesn't have to think about her response - she only reacts. Try it out and see for yourself.

 

[Marty]

NaturallySmooth, thank you for your suggestions.

Thank you, ProblemSolving. I'm sure what you write is true.

Your whole text screams, "Do you like me? Can you please find time to see me?"

I know. Reading it over, it does sound that way. Oops

"Hey SpiralFigure! Let's grab that coffee we talked about at Starbucks tomorrow at 4:00"

This way she doesn't even have to think about if she wants to go or not, she's already committed.

Okay, I'll figure out my calendar for next week and then the day before I want to see SpiralFigure, I'll send her pretty much the exact text you suggested, only changing the time to the morning and substituting for "Starbucks" the name of my favorite café for dates (there's a little park outside which would be great for making out).

God, how I hate text messaging. Sometimes I wish the wretched medium hadn't ever been invented. When I was in university in the mid-90s, it was so much easier... you just picked up the fucking fixed-line phone, dialed the girl and if she wasn't at home, you told her housemates "Tell her I called" without being too specific about who exactly you were.

That way you could kick back and relax, safe in the knowledge that the moment she got home, her housemates would start giving her shit like "Some sexy-sounding, real mysterious guy called, and he was so insistent! So who's the new man, huh? Tell us!", creating intrigue around you and boosting your value immeasurably in her mind. I pulled this trick multiple times, often calling before the poor girl had had a chance to get home after meeting me. Next thing you know she's asking you out.

 

[Nova]

your text game is not that weak at all in my opinion, only the specific wording on that second text you sent. you know the in and outs of texting, i can tell. a weak text game is texting over and over, trying to be witty and funny without getting to the gist of things and actually setting up a date, sending large messages seeking approval and trying to force a connection over the phone. your not that stupid.

all you need to know is, before sending a text be very conscious of what is it that your saying and how a girl will interpret it. small things.

instead of: 'SpiralFigure, would you like to meet with me next week? What's your schedule like at the restaurant... are you free one morning for coffee perhaps?'

'hey, spiralfigure you got much going on in the week? how about that coffee we talked about, marty.
or
'hey spiralfigure would be cool to meet up for a coffee sometime in the week, u busy over the next few days?, marty.'

if you like add something to remind her of you and/or the interaction you had. perhaps a nickname, or something of relevance to her, some detail she told you about herself. just something to link you, the text and prior interaction together.

one thing i always like in your field reports are how you compliment marty, always unique and remove any doubt from a girls mind that you might insincere and just 'playing the game' - your direct openers always good also.

one thing i would be wary of though, is too many compliments without that extra edge. you have to remember to develop that edge and challenge versus just complimenting and risking coming across as a bit 'safe'

try using some chase framing, perhaps a bit of teasing at times, younger gals specifically love it. providing you do it right!

its really hard without seeing you in action and providing body language, vibe, fundamentals etc are spot on you can get away playing it a bit 'safe' sometimes - but its always better and more efficient to add that edge to your interactions. sometimes from what i read you can come across as a little bit too 'gentlemanly'

but all in all from what i see anyway, all you need is a few tweaks here and there, nothing major. sounds like your really getting a good process down and your field reports are very consistent so keep it up marty and you'll carry on improving.

 

[maximus6004]

Very nice pull!

With the kiss on the cheek thing I have done that before with woman, however I started asking them to kiss me on the cheek. It's causing them to put more effort in. just something small and simple.

Im going to start working.on.net day game soon. Love your courage keep it up! Btw loved the way you told the story

 

[Marty]

Nova:

Thank you. I believe you really understand what's going on in my interactions, since the way you played it back exactly matches the mood of the approaches I've been conducting.

So here is where I think you've hit the nail on the head:

one thing i would be wary of though, is too many compliments without that extra edge. you have to remember to develop that edge and challenge versus just complimenting and risking coming across as a bit 'safe'

What exactly does that mean? I mean, is it an easy fix where I just keep doing what I'm doing and the "edge" will appear naturally as the whole process becomes routine? Or do I need to actually DO something to put the "edge" in?

What does a compliment with "extra edge" actually sound like? Is it just tone-of-voice, or will the words themselves be different?

Thanks
-Marty

 

[maximus6004]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe what he means is instead of complimenting so much, say things like are you trying to get me drunk to take advantage of me. I can't be with a rapist.

Something along those lines. I was complimenting a girl too much myself and I had.lost her because she knew she could have me. Make it a challenge again. There is a post that describes I think recently. Can't remember if it was a post or a tactics section post.

 

[Nova]

marty by edge i am referring mainly to 'challenge'

you want a girl to know that she is talking to a sexy and appealing man who likes her, but also has options and is not overly bothered by the outcome. she has to believe you are just within her reach, not wrapped around her little finger. you never want a girl to feel like you are a sealed deal. challenge is all about balance according to the specific girl though, in order to find the correct balance you need a fair bit of social awareness. you have to determine the value she see's of herself in relation to how she perceives your own.

consider these articles:

https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-be-edgy-and-turn-women
https://www.girlschase.com/content/teasing-girl-right-way
https://www.girlschase.com/content/secrets-getting-girls-chase-framing
https://www.girlschase.com/content/being-challenge-women-really-turning-them

also ill offer another little pointer, not that its necessarily pertinent to your interaction with 'spiralfigure' but none the less remember to be wary of 'forcing' deep diving during day game when a girl is moving and looks fairly busy, you risk coming across as a bit 'off' sometimes. oftentimes it is more effective to open direct, stating intention, exchange names, bit of bantering maybe, set up a date, grab number whilst relying largely upon your fundamentals to see you through. this can often result in more substantial results further down the line. sometimes it is better not to add all those extra elements to your interaction but instead to wait until the date etc.

of course this all depends on the situation. if a girl is seemingly 'time rich' either sitting in a coffee shop, bookstore on a bench etc then feel free to talk further, and add more but do make sure that its not all compliments. its all calibration.