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Normally I have no problems kissing a girl in a party, while doing nightgame or daygame but for some reason there's been a sticking point of escalating after bringing girls back to my place. I haven't been gaming for quite a long time while in a relationship and now in some things I feel like a complete newbie (this is a fresh account since my ex discovered my old one, and I think she's curious enough to check it once in a while; so plausible deniability and a nice gesture for her emotions). Perhaps I still get emotional over my break-up or something, and my bachelor pad is an anchor or I'm just being a pussy and losing girls due to auto rejection even after they come over.
1.Met a girl at the end of a huge party, instantly saw the doe eyes, started making out with her, lead her down to get our coats. Was leading her to my place, she said she wanted to meet the day after, I persisted but didn't get through. Neither of us had phones with us, smoothly found some pen and paper out of nowhere to trade contact info, made out with her 10 minutes outside the venue where she was moaning in my ear and I'm grabbing her ass. Then we part ways. Text each other next morning, meet at the campus. Weather was shit so we walk around a bit to find a dry place. I suggest we go home to have tea, she says yes. She sits in my chair and it's completely awkward when I'm sitting in my bed while we're drinking tea and she says she needs to go to work in 30 minutes. I don't make a move on her, while last night I was almost leading her to the goddamn bed. As she leaves I kiss her but by then I know deep down it's fucked.
Lessons:
[*]Find out how much time a girl has for that meet up, I don't have a perfect way to ask girls if/when they have shit to do after our date but I need to come up with something. Or while proposing the date asking them to block off anything after the date, but that could be problematic on first dates.
[*]Kiss girls in 10 mins or less after they're at your place... I need to drill it in my head, burn the lesson in my neurons or do something to make sure that I think "If a girl comes over to your place, she's at least willing to kiss you and if she won't then you either take a step back and try again or she leaves and doesn't waste your time.
2. There was a huge festival in the bar street, opened a few girls, nothing substantial. All the girls are horny though, the city center felt like heaven. The weather is great, the mood of the festival is great, girls are cute as hell. I felt like I could pull 40% of all girls and manhandle kiss them. So I spot a cute blonde, open saying "I saw you standing over there, and I just had to tell you you look really cute", and she melts. I see the doe eyes, I get her hands around my neck which makes for a very nice physical dynamic. Then we kiss, and it feels amazing. I deep dive for 30 mins, then walk with her to home. She says goodbye to her friends and only 100 meters to my home she gets a text from her friends about her train leaving. FUCK. We had been making out with this girl non-stop on the way to my place, and we only had 15 minutes or so before her train would leave, I knew that it would have been awesome to pull her somewhere hidden for a quickie yet because of the festival there were cops everywhere and my house was only 100 meters away.... I didn't lead enough, add to the fact that she couldn't stay in my city because she needs to go to school early in the morning before the trains. She almost said "When are you going to ask for my number!" while we were making out. So we exchange contact info and I drop her at the station. Next day she texts saying "I had a lovely night
" but then when I text for a meet up she comes up with a lame excuse about going on a vacation. I think it was too much of an emotional shift or something... Damn, losing it after having it so close stings real bad. Yet she was a bit too tipsy so wouldn't have wanted to have second day regrets and false accusations, I have faith there are enough girls wanting to shag me silly while sober.
Lessons:
[*] Lead quickly and decisively.
[*] Always have a plan, and figure out logistics, get phone numbers and let a girl go if you can't possibly pull a girl home that night.
[*] Don't be needy and write long texts.
3. Daygame opened a girl in campus, got phone number and proposed for a date in 15 mins. Set up date for a couple of days later, went by the lake in a warm day. Laid there and did deep diving for 2 hours (too much!!) and she needed to meet up with her girlfriend for a movie afterwards so she had to go. She was fairly geeky and a bit awkward so didn't get too physical with her and then it got more awkward towards the end and I started getting in my head. Gave her a pathetic hug at the end, no kiss. No replies to text a couple of days later, as expected.
Lessons:
[*]ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN, don't just lay down by the beach or lake and assume shit will happen. Either make it informational and end it after 1.5 hours or propose to have dinner/tea at home and escalate.
[*] GOD DAMN IT Alchemist, find out what girls' plans are beforehand so you know how much time you're working with and don't get blind-sighted when they say so.
[*] Be more physical and don't pussy out if the girl is more shy than average.
[*] ??? Some advice in GC says you shouldn't kiss a girl on a date because it releases tension and you can't escalate outside but the other side of the argument could be that she gets into auto rejection if there's no taking home or kisses.
4. Nightgame opened a girl, talked to her for 5 mins, got her number, gave a her a kiss and left to open more girls with my wingman. Got a text from her the next day. Set up a date by a pub a few days later, she was physical from the beginning (!!! DO I NEED A FLASHING NEON SIGN TO SIGNAL THAT GIRLS ARE INTERESTED IN ME AND I SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO TAKE THEM HOME AND SHAG THEM?) and I deep dive her for an hour in the bar, when she said she needed to catch the last bus at night.... I gave her a kiss at the end and made the mistake of trying to set up the next date at the end of the previous. Then I had radio silence from her for a week so I deleted her number, and I get a text a week later from her saying she couldn't reach me and if everything was alright. I tell her that I thought she flew off the spain (call back humor) and she says "I would have taken you with me" so I feel she's quite horny. I set up a date for today, and she confirms and 3 hours before the dinner date at my place she flakes. I handle it very chill, telling her not to sweat it. She definitely is playing games, responding a day later and wanting me to chase by flaking. Well she ain't getting any attention, and I'm not wasting time on her. If she comes over to my place next week, I'm up for it, otherwise it's experience for me.
Lessons:
[*] Argh... this is getting old, know until when a girl is available!
[*] If you see the doe eyes, and physical moves from the girl fuckin' invite her home and escalate!
5. Met this cute girl at a house party, indirect opened her, we hit it off incredibly and get in an amazing conversation with drunk people and loud music around us. I can tell she's hooked so I lead her downstairs and outside. We talk for a bit (later turns out we talked for 2 hours, we were both buzzed) and get quite close to each other where her legs are resting against mine and I hold her hands from time to time. She gets a bit emotional and we hug real close due to the conversation getting to very passionate but still good topics. She wants my number so we exchange info and ask for a date 2 days later. She flakes on the date so I do Chase's trick "Ah, bummer" because she doesn't even suggest an alternative. A couple of days later I suggest a meet up again and she agrees while ending her text with "Just so we're on the same page, friends?" I ignore her question and propose a time with subtle preselection (she offered Thursday evening, I said I was cooking for a friend) and she accepts it. But I don't know why this shit test got kinda stuck in my head...
So she even sends pre-meetup text, and she's pretty eager to see me again. I give her a hug rather than a typical dry cheek kisses, which I find too friendly. I lead her to a nice bench by the river where we enjoy the nature and talk for 1.5 hours and I deep dive her, with lots of eye contact. I also get a casual chance to tell her my stance on slut shaming and society, women and the impact of religion etc. Then I get up and propose that we walk again, she asks where, I kinda mumble and say back this way. She diffuses the awkwardness, with good investment in the conversation. When we get to the city I'm screaming in my head to myself to ask her to come home with me so I ask her "Wanna drink some tea?" She says "Yeah, sure, where?" and I reply, "I'll brew it, I've got a special blend" so she follows my lead and we walk back to my place and of course I keep the conversation flowing nicely in the transition points. She takes her shoes off as per my request(I've always been doing this, it's a cultural thing, when I found out it was good for investment I was quite happy), and since I planned my room well, with books and clothes on my chairs and my bed the only place with an interesting book on it, she goes to sit on my bed. The news was also playing in the background I sit next to her, and our bodies are touching everywhere, I also show her something interesting in the book and rest my hands on her lap as I hold the book. We watch a couple of nice sketches and I'm thinking about putting a movie on and cuddling when she says "What was your plans for dinner?" and I realize that I had forgotten to eat anything that day Being thirsty overpowers your hunger, who'd've guessed. I told her we could cook some pasta together or that we could grab a bite by the local doner shop, she said she had pasta yesterday so I told her to get ready. At that point she dropped the time bomb on me, saying she needed to catch a train at 11, which was 1 hour from then... I assumed, since it was Friday and she lived in the same city that she wouldn't have any obligations, but just made an ass out of me with assuming. So I tell her to leave her backpack at my place and we go to the doner shop where she offers to buy the food. Then we come back home and have our meal while sharing our music tastes sitting on the bed. AT THAT POINT, I could have easily kissed her, and I thought if I kissed her then I wouldn't have had time to escalate with her and it would've looked like it took me 3 hours to kiss her or something. And honestly I was pussying out for some reason. She was right there on my bed looking at my eyes!
After that she says, "I really enjoyed today, we should do it again,...um I mean if you want to as well" and I let her know that I enjoyed it too adding a warm smile. Then she apologized for not letting me know about the abrupt ending and her plans for the train. And I hugged her goodbye...
Next afternoon I message her saying I enjoyed hanging out with her and that I want to cook her dinner, and 4 mins later she enthusiastically replies saying dinner sounds great and that she'll get back to me tomorrow about when she's free, so I say alright let me know. Well she hasn't responded yet so I'm not sure if I'm already in the friendzone, or deep in BF category.. Argh, this was our 1st date and I think I was quite smooth, sexual and touchy without actually kissing or groping. So emotional peaking was one of my concerns as well. No idea. If she doesn't flake, I've swore an oath to my wingman that anytime I bring a girl home again, I will go for a kiss in 10 mins or less or I pay him 50 bucks.
Does anyone else experience this? It's like a switch in my head, if I'm out at night or just standing upright and holding a girl I can get very sexual and smoothly kiss her but it feels so different when I've been talking to her for 1.5 hours and we're sitting next to each other.
1.Met a girl at the end of a huge party, instantly saw the doe eyes, started making out with her, lead her down to get our coats. Was leading her to my place, she said she wanted to meet the day after, I persisted but didn't get through. Neither of us had phones with us, smoothly found some pen and paper out of nowhere to trade contact info, made out with her 10 minutes outside the venue where she was moaning in my ear and I'm grabbing her ass. Then we part ways. Text each other next morning, meet at the campus. Weather was shit so we walk around a bit to find a dry place. I suggest we go home to have tea, she says yes. She sits in my chair and it's completely awkward when I'm sitting in my bed while we're drinking tea and she says she needs to go to work in 30 minutes. I don't make a move on her, while last night I was almost leading her to the goddamn bed. As she leaves I kiss her but by then I know deep down it's fucked.
Lessons:
[*]Find out how much time a girl has for that meet up, I don't have a perfect way to ask girls if/when they have shit to do after our date but I need to come up with something. Or while proposing the date asking them to block off anything after the date, but that could be problematic on first dates.
[*]Kiss girls in 10 mins or less after they're at your place... I need to drill it in my head, burn the lesson in my neurons or do something to make sure that I think "If a girl comes over to your place, she's at least willing to kiss you and if she won't then you either take a step back and try again or she leaves and doesn't waste your time.
2. There was a huge festival in the bar street, opened a few girls, nothing substantial. All the girls are horny though, the city center felt like heaven. The weather is great, the mood of the festival is great, girls are cute as hell. I felt like I could pull 40% of all girls and manhandle kiss them. So I spot a cute blonde, open saying "I saw you standing over there, and I just had to tell you you look really cute", and she melts. I see the doe eyes, I get her hands around my neck which makes for a very nice physical dynamic. Then we kiss, and it feels amazing. I deep dive for 30 mins, then walk with her to home. She says goodbye to her friends and only 100 meters to my home she gets a text from her friends about her train leaving. FUCK. We had been making out with this girl non-stop on the way to my place, and we only had 15 minutes or so before her train would leave, I knew that it would have been awesome to pull her somewhere hidden for a quickie yet because of the festival there were cops everywhere and my house was only 100 meters away.... I didn't lead enough, add to the fact that she couldn't stay in my city because she needs to go to school early in the morning before the trains. She almost said "When are you going to ask for my number!" while we were making out. So we exchange contact info and I drop her at the station. Next day she texts saying "I had a lovely night
" but then when I text for a meet up she comes up with a lame excuse about going on a vacation. I think it was too much of an emotional shift or something... Damn, losing it after having it so close stings real bad. Yet she was a bit too tipsy so wouldn't have wanted to have second day regrets and false accusations, I have faith there are enough girls wanting to shag me silly while sober.Lessons:
[*] Lead quickly and decisively.
[*] Always have a plan, and figure out logistics, get phone numbers and let a girl go if you can't possibly pull a girl home that night.
[*] Don't be needy and write long texts.
3. Daygame opened a girl in campus, got phone number and proposed for a date in 15 mins. Set up date for a couple of days later, went by the lake in a warm day. Laid there and did deep diving for 2 hours (too much!!) and she needed to meet up with her girlfriend for a movie afterwards so she had to go. She was fairly geeky and a bit awkward so didn't get too physical with her and then it got more awkward towards the end and I started getting in my head. Gave her a pathetic hug at the end, no kiss. No replies to text a couple of days later, as expected.
Lessons:
[*]ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN, don't just lay down by the beach or lake and assume shit will happen. Either make it informational and end it after 1.5 hours or propose to have dinner/tea at home and escalate.
[*] GOD DAMN IT Alchemist, find out what girls' plans are beforehand so you know how much time you're working with and don't get blind-sighted when they say so.
[*] Be more physical and don't pussy out if the girl is more shy than average.
[*] ??? Some advice in GC says you shouldn't kiss a girl on a date because it releases tension and you can't escalate outside but the other side of the argument could be that she gets into auto rejection if there's no taking home or kisses.
4. Nightgame opened a girl, talked to her for 5 mins, got her number, gave a her a kiss and left to open more girls with my wingman. Got a text from her the next day. Set up a date by a pub a few days later, she was physical from the beginning (!!! DO I NEED A FLASHING NEON SIGN TO SIGNAL THAT GIRLS ARE INTERESTED IN ME AND I SHOULD TAKE ACTION TO TAKE THEM HOME AND SHAG THEM?) and I deep dive her for an hour in the bar, when she said she needed to catch the last bus at night.... I gave her a kiss at the end and made the mistake of trying to set up the next date at the end of the previous. Then I had radio silence from her for a week so I deleted her number, and I get a text a week later from her saying she couldn't reach me and if everything was alright. I tell her that I thought she flew off the spain (call back humor) and she says "I would have taken you with me" so I feel she's quite horny. I set up a date for today, and she confirms and 3 hours before the dinner date at my place she flakes. I handle it very chill, telling her not to sweat it. She definitely is playing games, responding a day later and wanting me to chase by flaking. Well she ain't getting any attention, and I'm not wasting time on her. If she comes over to my place next week, I'm up for it, otherwise it's experience for me.
Lessons:
[*] Argh... this is getting old, know until when a girl is available!
[*] If you see the doe eyes, and physical moves from the girl fuckin' invite her home and escalate!
5. Met this cute girl at a house party, indirect opened her, we hit it off incredibly and get in an amazing conversation with drunk people and loud music around us. I can tell she's hooked so I lead her downstairs and outside. We talk for a bit (later turns out we talked for 2 hours, we were both buzzed) and get quite close to each other where her legs are resting against mine and I hold her hands from time to time. She gets a bit emotional and we hug real close due to the conversation getting to very passionate but still good topics. She wants my number so we exchange info and ask for a date 2 days later. She flakes on the date so I do Chase's trick "Ah, bummer
" because she doesn't even suggest an alternative. A couple of days later I suggest a meet up again and she agrees while ending her text with "Just so we're on the same page, friends?" I ignore her question and propose a time with subtle preselection (she offered Thursday evening, I said I was cooking for a friend) and she accepts it. But I don't know why this shit test got kinda stuck in my head...So she even sends pre-meetup text, and she's pretty eager to see me again. I give her a hug rather than a typical dry cheek kisses, which I find too friendly. I lead her to a nice bench by the river where we enjoy the nature and talk for 1.5 hours and I deep dive her, with lots of eye contact. I also get a casual chance to tell her my stance on slut shaming and society, women and the impact of religion etc. Then I get up and propose that we walk again, she asks where, I kinda mumble and say back this way. She diffuses the awkwardness, with good investment in the conversation. When we get to the city I'm screaming in my head to myself to ask her to come home with me so I ask her "Wanna drink some tea?" She says "Yeah, sure, where?" and I reply, "I'll brew it, I've got a special blend" so she follows my lead and we walk back to my place and of course I keep the conversation flowing nicely in the transition points. She takes her shoes off as per my request(I've always been doing this, it's a cultural thing, when I found out it was good for investment I was quite happy), and since I planned my room well, with books and clothes on my chairs and my bed the only place with an interesting book on it, she goes to sit on my bed. The news was also playing in the background
I sit next to her, and our bodies are touching everywhere, I also show her something interesting in the book and rest my hands on her lap as I hold the book. We watch a couple of nice sketches and I'm thinking about putting a movie on and cuddling when she says "What was your plans for dinner?" and I realize that I had forgotten to eat anything that day Being thirsty overpowers your hunger, who'd've guessed. I told her we could cook some pasta together or that we could grab a bite by the local doner shop, she said she had pasta yesterday so I told her to get ready. At that point she dropped the time bomb on me, saying she needed to catch a train at 11, which was 1 hour from then... I assumed, since it was Friday and she lived in the same city that she wouldn't have any obligations, but just made an ass out of me with assuming. So I tell her to leave her backpack at my place and we go to the doner shop where she offers to buy the food. Then we come back home and have our meal while sharing our music tastes sitting on the bed. AT THAT POINT, I could have easily kissed her, and I thought if I kissed her then I wouldn't have had time to escalate with her and it would've looked like it took me 3 hours to kiss her or something. And honestly I was pussying out for some reason. She was right there on my bed looking at my eyes! After that she says, "I really enjoyed today, we should do it again,...um I mean if you want to as well" and I let her know that I enjoyed it too adding a warm smile. Then she apologized for not letting me know about the abrupt ending and her plans for the train. And I hugged her goodbye...
Next afternoon I message her saying I enjoyed hanging out with her and that I want to cook her dinner, and 4 mins later she enthusiastically replies saying dinner sounds great and that she'll get back to me tomorrow about when she's free, so I say alright let me know. Well she hasn't responded yet so I'm not sure if I'm already in the friendzone, or deep in BF category.. Argh, this was our 1st date and I think I was quite smooth, sexual and touchy without actually kissing or groping. So emotional peaking was one of my concerns as well. No idea. If she doesn't flake, I've swore an oath to my wingman that anytime I bring a girl home again, I will go for a kiss in 10 mins or less or I pay him 50 bucks.
Does anyone else experience this? It's like a switch in my head, if I'm out at night or just standing upright and holding a girl I can get very sexual and smoothly kiss her but it feels so different when I've been talking to her for 1.5 hours and we're sitting next to each other.
