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The importance of living a fulfilling life other than picking up women is crucial.. Don't simply focus on self improvement of seduction as your MAIN priority, but focus on other aspects of your life. For example.. Go to the gym, play sports you love, do risky and dangerous things and gain as much experience in life that you can always look back on!

As you experience the true fullness of a FUN and interesting lifestyle, this will help you in your overall seduction skill set. You become more intriguing, interesting, and cool.. A woman would ache to be around someone who has been there and done that, instead of that weird PUA who has nothing better than study on how to get her number.

LIVE, my friends.

Stop reading articles all day... And GO OUT and DO SOMETHING FULLFILLING
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Can't agree more, great post. Girls should never be #1 on your list, they should be just "side effect" of living a good life... It is actually quite sad that we guys have to learn so much to get laid...
 

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This is good general advice, sure, being a cohesive interesting person is crucial to a bit of the pickup process, but it's really more important once you try and get a relationship with a girl.

But, I'd have to say, becoming obsessed with pickup and thinking about it 24/7 is pretty much the fastest way to mastery.

Would you tell a guy playing soccer 14 hours a day to chill out and go do other interesting stuff, when all he can get think about is going pro?

Probably not.

Pickup and mastering seduction has pretty much dominated my mind for the past 4-5 years, with this past year becoming an insanity fest where I neglected many parts of my life in service of mastery (except for dieting and exercise).

Now, as opposed to something like soccer where the object of your mastery is your own body and the manipulation of an inanimate object, sure it doesn't hurt to obsess over it. The ball won't reject you for being needy. As for pickup and relationships, you can't make it KNOWN that fucking the girl and managing a relationship is the foremost thing on your mind most days, but until you for sure have a solid passion in life, I'd recommend making pickup and relationship management one of the most important things in your life. And hell, the guys I do know who have a different passion in their life that occupies their time as much as pickup does mine, sure they have more outcome independence - but skill wise? I'm better than them and am always improving more. Even had my best friend (Wildcard article) tell me that he considers me his superior in game, BECAUSE I MAKE IT MY FOCUS.

Of course, this is only the case if you want to master this stuff. If you want to be anything "great" or below, sure, make it secondary or tertiary.

You want mastery? Be prepared to become obsessed.

I'll write an article on this soon.

- Hector
 

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The subject of obsessive focus and the drive toward mastery is an interesting one to discuss. Should you or shouldn't you?

Fact is, we've all got different things driving us, and in fact most of us are driven to very different extents. The guy who punishes himself 6 days a week at the gym to build an incredible body; the one who works on his business 14 hours a day, 7 days a week to build his empire or make his millions; the one who studies a martial art obsessively and becomes one of the tops in his field; the one who is a dedicated method actor and never stops acting or looking for new things to include in his performances; the one who obsessively focuses on learning how to pick up girls any time, anywhere, as consistently as possible.

These guys are all more alike to each other than they are different from one another, and I tend to find that the guy who obsessively chases down a high degree of skill in one area will also have mastered other areas of his life to a high degree as well.

I don't think there's really a "correct" focus to have.

99.5% of people are not "obsessive mastery" people, and if that's you you will indeed burn yourself out or get yourself off track by living a punishing existence in search of mastery; typically if you are not a mastery-focused person and you get sucked up into trying to master something, you will be doing it because you feel you "should" be doing it, and not because deep down inside of yourself lies a burning, insatiable passion TO do it.

Alternately, 0.5% or so of people out there (mostly men, but also some women) are just the crazy passion-driven mastery people, and these people feel lost and inadequate when they are sitting around kicking back enjoying a brewski with the boys and just shooting the breeze and not trying to build great things, climb tall mountains, and question the mysteries of the universe. If that's you, you'll find you tend to go from one subject to another - I've noticed there often tends to be a 4 to 5 year "mastery curve" for the "rage to master" types like this, where it's something like:

  • Year 1: Maddeningly frustrating year of basically throwing yourself at the wall and trying to pound blood from stones and getting almost nothing. You experience some early successes, but mostly are just constantly battling the desire to give up and quit and go pound sand from all the mountainous failures. Yet, you keep doing it over and over and over again and refusing to let yourself be beaten.
  • Year 2: You start actually getting some spotty success here and there. It's just enough to make you think that yes, maybe you CAN actually do this. Nevertheless, you still feel like despite all the efforts you're making, you're still not seeing nearly the dividends you'd expect you would considering the level of your investment.
  • Year 3: At some point during this year (for me it's generally early- to mid-Year 3 in whatever I'm doing), you suddenly hit a mark where you look around and say, "I've made it." Most of your lingering doubts are cleared away and you have achieved the thing you initially set out to achieve. For me in music, that was the ability to wow a crowd. For me in pickup, it was the ability to go out and pull girls home consistently any time I was really willing to pull out all the stops and game HARD. For me in business, it was reaching the point where I had enough money coming in that I knew I'd never need to work for a company again, and I could replicate it fairly quickly and easily if for whatever reason an existing business was totally obliterated because now I knew business.
  • Year 4: This year is where you really step into the "master" shoes and finish putting the pieces together - you reached that point in Year 3 where you felt like you'd made it, and Year 4 is about consolidating those gains and lessons and taking them to new heights. It's more of a gentle leveling up year. You may quit doing the thing altogether in this year if you felt like you've finished what you needed to do with it (as I did with music in my Year 4 for it), or you may start downshifting it into a "thing you do" rather than a "thing you obsess over" (as I did with pickup in my Year 4 for it).
  • Year 5: Year 5 is the breakout year is you stick with it. It's where you suddenly leap forward to go from a guy with a large amount of expertise, to someone who's one of the best at something, no matter where he goes. You're just clear in the top echelon of practitioners of whatever it is you've devoted the last 5 years to. There are still new mountains to climb, but they don't seem that tall to you anymore, and in any event you will probably be turning your attention to some new field of study at this point regardless

There are also the "lifetime masters", who are focused on only one thing their entire lives. These are guys like Mozart and symphonies, or Tiger Woods and golf, or Donald Trump and real estate. These guys have typically done the thing they master since early childhood, and simply never have much interest in extending their mastery focus to other fields. They've go their niche, they love being the best at it, and are consumed with becoming ever-greater within it. This is a different variation from the more normal "rage to master" personality type, and these folks have often been bred / raised to focus on a certain thing by their parents as well.

Each personality type will tend to "look down" on the others and think those others are misguided or doing things wrong:

Normal person:

  • "Those rage-to-master folks are just obsessive loonies."
  • "Those lifetime masters are awe-inspiring, but also tragic, as they were raised from birth for this and never had the chance to be full human beings."

Rage-to-master person:

  • "Those normal people sure live boring lives! I don't know why they don't quit wishing they could live a life like this and don't just go learn the skills necessary to."
  • "Those lifetime masters need to take a break from that key skill and branch out. Life's about doing more than just one thing again and again!"

Lifetime master:

  • "Normal people are uninteresting, and uninspiring."
  • "Rage-to-master people are scattered and unfocused; they will never be as good at anything as I am at one thing."

I think the important thing here is to be aware of which camp you fall into and not get too caught up in thinking that other folks "should" do it your way. I don't think there's much we can do to compel others to live their lives the way we think they ought to; people will be drawn to the lifestyle that fits them best, where that's living a normal life, or living an obsessively-improvement-oriented one, or living on consumed with a passion at being the best at one singular enterprise, and only that one.

Chase
 

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Yes. That is definitely illuminating. Before I read Chase's post I was gonna say this:

I most definitely do have other passions (computer science... electronics... becoming a researcher in mathematical optimization... language learning and meeting ppl from other cultures... my children of course) and hobbies (cooking/entertaining... gardening... dance music/mixing... lately interior decorating... camping... to name a few) however all are pretty much on hold at the moment as I obsessively focus on approaching whereever and whenever, and when I can't approach I'm obsessively on forums testing my knowledge by answering n00b questions and debating shit with the guys and exchanging critique of our journals...

This has some good points (gym, dieting, fashion, conversation, voice, confidence and poise all improved, bought an apartment, dead wood cut out of my life) and some bad points (supervisor often disappointed with research progress, poor cash flow management, some impact on quality of time spent with kids when I am checking my phone all the time)... so I am still looking for balance, matters improved when I took a 6wk break from approaching (and I got laid immediately after) but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons, still striving to find a genuine balance...

After reading Chase's post...

Yes, that describes my life exactly... I'm at year 5 in software, probably year 3 in electronics and research... year 2 in Japanese... year 1 in pickup and OMG it's frustrating having those results tantalizingly in reach but unavailable till I get the kinks out of my game... I also notice another thing which is I'm often hopeless at shit which comes naturally to others e.g. video games, but with perseverance I get a stronger process down than those who do it unconsciously (Street Fighter 2) and months or years later begin to kick the arses of those naturals who tend to hit a ceiling sooner or later.

Could it be that some people's brains are just naturally slower moving, literal and process oriented, is this part of rage-to-mastery or am I just autistic? hahaha some think I am.

cheers, Ray
 

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Ha I'm so glad you guys brought this up!

I've started visiting the forums again after just going on an adventure. I still find myself all over the place. Learning my degree and wanting to take a second degree in medicine. Learning languages with the girls I come in contact with - Trying to stick with Mandarin, but got wrapped up in Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese. A lot of similar or smae sounding words... need to stick with one. Learning Muay Thai, stepping up the game with cooking, picking up my guitar and violin again. Getting into dance - hip hop, tango, salsa.

I read what Chase posted. I actually do feel slightly lost when I'm just relaxing with the friends. I'm happy that I get to enjoy their company but my mind also wanders over to what thing should I be cracking at next.

I'm only recently turned 20 but it feels like I should at least begin to master at least one of the new skills I pick up or just enjoy the journey. Thoughts?
 

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So Chase, what do you feel the time frame for a normal person's growth rate in terms of learning seduction and social arts, or even any skill?
How skillful have you seen normal people get?

When I think of my friends who are really good at what they do, they were pretty immersed in the thing, starting from the bottom of skill, then gradually got very good to the point they are better than a lot of people who have been doing it longer. This drive or obsession seems key.

I can't tell if I am a normal person or a rage-to-master, as you put it, though my success seems to fit in with your time scale for a rage-to-master type.

Its been around 2 and half years since I stumbled on GirlsChase (and started working on myself) and have had a lot of realizations of how much different I have become and progress I've made, yet with enough to sort out that most of the benefits will come with around a year or two more good effort.

I think if my environment was a little more suited for practicing pick up, I might feel much more like a rage-to-master. I think constantly of how can I travel to or move to a place better suited for my goals, pick up included. Perhaps, I can't just sink my teeth into my obsession, instead only getting bites when opportunity comes, preventing me from immersion. Thinking about it even gets me fired up.

Good thing I've revamped my plans and going back to school (no shortage of girls there ;) )
 

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Chase said:
  • Year 3: At some point during this year (for me it's generally early- to mid-Year 3 in whatever I'm doing), you suddenly hit a mark where you look around and say, "I've made it." Most of your lingering doubts are cleared away and you have achieved the thing you initially set out to achieve. For me in music, that was the ability to wow a crowd. For me in pickup, it was the ability to go out and pull girls home consistently any time I was really willing to pull out all the stops and game HARD. For me in business, it was reaching the point where I had enough money coming in that I knew I'd never need to work for a company again, and I could replicate it fairly quickly and easily if for whatever reason an existing business was totally obliterated because now I knew business.
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Chase

You can actually get good at "business" in the sense of building successful companies?
In like that no matter the field, you will make money with the newly founded company.. ?
 

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I feel as if I am at the rage-master level in seduction. It is all based on your own mindset and perspective on how you see those around you. I started pick up after reading an interesting article on seduction on GC after watching "Simple Pick up" on YouTube. That influenced me and inspired me to go out there..from then on I push myself constantly.

I totally agree with obsession to mastery, look at all the fighting greats..did they become champions through recreational based training? NO. As I wake up every morning, I feel a slight sense of nervousness and anxiety as I realize I'm going to face the world, thus meet women. Odd huh. Despite this, once my social momentum has been kick started, I am motivated and willing to expose myself and train my skills.

However, during this time, I find my mindset causes hindrances in my performance. I would make goals to work on I.e. Touch, and feel myself become burdened of "need, need to meet this goal" honestly it drove me crazy. Now a days, I focus on my own happiness and spreading love to the world, that when I am in an interaction my skills come into play. "Touch, eye contact, fundamentals" it is interesting on how this inner sense may play a large impact..

Anyone else feel this way?
 

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ThrowDown said:
However, during this time, I find my mindset causes hindrances in my performance. I would make goals to work on I.e. Touch, and feel myself become burdened of "need, need to meet this goal" honestly it drove me crazy. Now a days, I focus on my own happiness and spreading love to the world, that when I am in an interaction my skills come into play.

Anyone else feel this way?

I feel in a similar way in the sense that sometimes your goals might cause stress and don't align with your happiness.

It can be OK if the pain is on a short term basis, but if spreading to medium or long term then your goals and plans and attitude towards life should be re-analyzed, also because you never have guarantee that going through the pain will then make you happier (not even assured when you actually reach those goals).
 

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One thing I notice with guys who obsess about pickup but make little progress though is that they make it their entire world.
They can rattle off every tip and theory out there but you know what they're not good at? Actully holding an interesting conversation or just well... being able to chill the heck out.

Something I learned over time was that if you're focusing SO much on this, then that's pretty much all you do and know.
When you meet a really cool girl... maybe she has some cool interest or hobby or job which makes her interesting how she talks about it with a passion. When you talk... what do you talk about? Pickup is all you do! When someone asks you what you did last weekend... sure, you can tell them about some mega awesome things you did... but did you REALLY? Or is it a carefully crafted "DHV Story"? See, it's all well and good to tell a cool story but when you're actually LIVING these cool eperiences you can bring them to life and talk about them at no end. Which makes you.... attractive!
 

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@ J Wick-

J Wick said:
So Chase, what do you feel the time frame for a normal person's growth rate in terms of learning seduction and social arts, or even any skill?
How skillful have you seen normal people get?

Well, the categories are convenient breakdowns, but the truth is we're all on a spectrum, and we fall different places on that spectrum for different things.

e.g., if you think of focus as an x-y chart, with the x-axis being "how long do you focus on this for" and the y-axis being "how intensely do you focus on this", maybe you're high on the y-axis and moderately far on the x-axis for pickup (rage to master, essentially), and much closer to the middle for something else important to you, like tennis, which you play twice a week but aren't THAT excited for.

Most "normal" people seem to cap out at a level where they're occasionally getting just under what they'd really like to get consistently in a perfect world.

So, to make a brief exception and use the ratings scale, which I normally detest, let's say you're a normal guy and your ideal girl is an 8 looks, 7 intellect, 8 personality, and 9 sweetness. Maybe what you usually get is a 6 looks, 5 intellect, 6 personality, and 7 sweetness. You keep dating and gradually improving until one day you land a girl who's a 7 looks, 6 intellect, 7 personality, and 8 sweetness. You're a little torn, but it's not SO hard a decision, so you decide this one's a keeper and settle into a relationship. She's almost what you want. That's about where most normal people cap out at.

The mastery-focused guys will typically actually hit their targets - and then raise them. So the girl who used to be his dream girl is now "just okay", and he needs more. It's part of what keeps him focused on improvement... he keeps raising the bar for himself.

It seems like normal people also have a four- or five-year learning curve for most things, only they have much slower progress and make significantly less advancement. After that they sort of stall out and stop progressing, and after that no matter how much they use their skill they're in stasis. The only people who violate the 4/5-year curve are the lifetime masters, who just continue to grind it out once the initial period of high returns is past and they're committed to piling up ever-more micro returns to really just be the absolute best.

"Normal" people skill levels I'd say can reach up to around "above average" or "upper middle class" or however you like to term these things. Beyond that, they've got to have at least a touch of mastery fever in them to clear the subsequent hurdles into higher levels of skill.


@ Lux-

lux7 said:
You can actually get good at "business" in the sense of building successful companies?
In like that no matter the field, you will make money with the newly founded company.. ?

You can get good at anything.

Running a business is in large part about the development and use of a variety of different skill sets:

  • Niche selection
  • Product development
  • Marketing & advertising
  • Customer service
  • Hiring
  • Management
  • Sales & conversion
  • Promotion, PR, & branding
  • Money management, investing, & financials
  • Negotiation & deal-making / alliance-building
  • Law, taxes, corporate structure, & contracts

etc. The better you become at these skills, the more successful you are.

e.g., who's going to have an easier time setting up a new company - the guy who only knows, "Well, if I want customers, I think advertising might help, maybe?" or the guy who knows how to write ads that get clicked on like crazy, what sites and networks have the best returns for what niches, how to negotiate with the ad reps, how to set up a click server that'll give him actionable data, how to properly monetize a sales funnel so he can afford higher dollar buys on more competitive sites, etc. These two guys are not starting from remotely the same position, and there's a million skills like this you learn running business.

That said, nothing guarantees success. Just as you may become the greatest playboy in the world and you'll still never come close to being able to get every girl you go for, same deal with starting businesses, and you'll still not make every entity you stick your fingers into a success.

However, the skills translate. Every business I've worked on for more than a year I've gotten profitable, and the ones I worked on once I had success running businesses under my belt already were much, much easier to get there, since I already knew exactly what to do and what not to to get them making money.

Just ask Steve Jobs (Apple, Pixar, NEXT) or Elon Musk (PayPal, SpaceX, Tesla) if those skills translate.

There's an element of luck involved, of course. Jobs took a couple of failing, flailing companies (Apple, Pixar) and made them into giants, yet when he started his own company completely from the ground up (NEXT) it was only moderately successful. Musk is facing extremely fierce competition from other car manufacturers entering the electric car market and Tesla's shot at becoming a titan in the industry is rather in doubt (and his frustration's been visible). Nothing's guaranteed... just made more likely, is all.

Ultimately, everything's trainable. Life is a dojo, and anything can be learned. It merely takes time, dedication, and loads of (frequently taxing) practice, focused on the thing you'd like to be able to do.

Just like a dojo, most people stop going after a couple of sessions, or only check in now and again, and never get very good. That just makes it easier for you if you're one of the few who's actually serious about getting his skill handled in a significant way.

Chase
 

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Chase said:
@ J Wick-

J Wick said:
So Chase, what do you feel the time frame for a normal person's growth rate in terms of learning seduction and social arts, or even any skill?
How skillful have you seen normal people get?

Well, the categories are convenient breakdowns, but the truth is we're all on a spectrum, and we fall different places on that spectrum for different things.

e.g., if you think of focus as an x-y chart, with the x-axis being "how long do you focus on this for" and the y-axis being "how intensely do you focus on this", maybe you're high on the y-axis and moderately far on the x-axis for pickup (rage to master, essentially), and much closer to the middle for something else important to you, like tennis, which you play twice a week but aren't THAT excited for.

Most "normal" people seem to cap out at a level where they're occasionally getting just under what they'd really like to get consistently in a perfect world.

So, to make a brief exception and use the ratings scale, which I normally detest, let's say you're a normal guy and your ideal girl is an 8 looks, 7 intellect, 8 personality, and 9 sweetness. Maybe what you usually get is a 6 looks, 5 intellect, 6 personality, and 7 sweetness. You keep dating and gradually improving until one day you land a girl who's a 7 looks, 6 intellect, 7 personality, and 8 sweetness. You're a little torn, but it's not SO hard a decision, so you decide this one's a keeper and settle into a relationship. She's almost what you want. That's about where most normal people cap out at.

The mastery-focused guys will typically actually hit their targets - and then raise them. So the girl who used to be his dream girl is now "just okay", and he needs more. It's part of what keeps him focused on improvement... he keeps raising the bar for himself.

It seems like normal people also have a four- or five-year learning curve for most things, only they have much slower progress and make significantly less advancement. After that they sort of stall out and stop progressing, and after that no matter how much they use their skill they're in stasis. The only people who violate the 4/5-year curve are the lifetime masters, who just continue to grind it out once the initial period of high returns is past and they're committed to piling up ever-more micro returns to really just be the absolute best.

"Normal" people skill levels I'd say can reach up to around "above average" or "upper middle class" or however you like to term these things. Beyond that, they've got to have at least a touch of mastery fever in them to clear the subsequent hurdles into higher levels of skill.


@ Lux-

lux7 said:
You can actually get good at "business" in the sense of building successful companies?
In like that no matter the field, you will make money with the newly founded company.. ?

You can get good at anything.

Running a business is in large part about the development and use of a variety of different skill sets:

  • Niche selection
  • Product development
  • Marketing & advertising
  • Customer service
  • Hiring
  • Management
  • Sales & conversion
  • Promotion, PR, & branding
  • Money management, investing, & financials
  • Negotiation & deal-making / alliance-building
  • Law, taxes, corporate structure, & contracts

etc. The better you become at these skills, the more successful you are.

e.g., who's going to have an easier time setting up a new company - the guy who only knows, "Well, if I want customers, I think advertising might help, maybe?" or the guy who knows how to write ads that get clicked on like crazy, what sites and networks have the best returns for what niches, how to negotiate with the ad reps, how to set up a click server that'll give him actionable data, how to properly monetize a sales funnel so he can afford higher dollar buys on more competitive sites, etc. These two guys are not starting from remotely the same position, and there's a million skills like this you learn running business.

That said, nothing guarantees success. Just as you may become the greatest playboy in the world and you'll still never come close to being able to get every girl you go for, same deal with starting businesses, and you'll still not make every entity you stick your fingers into a success.

However, the skills translate. Every business I've worked on for more than a year I've gotten profitable, and the ones I worked on once I had success running businesses under my belt already were much, much easier to get there, since I already knew exactly what to do and what not to to get them making money.

Just ask Steve Jobs (Apple, Pixar, NEXT) or Elon Musk (PayPal, SpaceX, Tesla) if those skills translate.

There's an element of luck involved, of course. Jobs took a couple of failing, flailing companies (Apple, Pixar) and made them into giants, yet when he started his own company completely from the ground up (NEXT) it was only moderately successful. Musk is facing extremely fierce competition from other car manufacturers entering the electric car market and Tesla's shot at becoming a titan in the industry is rather in doubt (and his frustration's been visible). Nothing's guaranteed... just made more likely, is all.

Ultimately, everything's trainable. Life is a dojo, and anything can be learned. It merely takes time, dedication, and loads of (frequently taxing) practice, focused on the thing you'd like to be able to do.

Just like a dojo, most people stop going after a couple of sessions, or only check in now and again, and never get very good. That just makes it easier for you if you're one of the few who's actually serious about getting his skill handled in a significant way.

Chase

These days, I'm what Chase might call a rage-to-mastery: fitness and fashion being my latest kick. I believe my results have helped attract a lot of women in night venues, especially given the scantily clad attire I'm now capable of donning in this warmer weather. Although I haven't been posting field reports, and I somewhat regret having written that dire-sounding post over in the "Manipulated Man" thread, I am nonetheless still putting myself out there (primarily though night game)—pushing myself through the motions to interact with beautiful women to the best of my ability. So far, I'm still getting numbers and having some very stimulating conversations now and then—on the whole, good stuff for my level. I do, however, end up putting the breaks on if/when I feel an interaction starts moving toward "success," and I'll try to explain why.

The tough thing with seduction, unlike fitness, fashion, or music, (and most pursuits) is that another human being is always involved. If/when you fail or screw up an interaction or worse, a budding relationship (perhaps one you unwittingly created…), the consequences affect a woman's life as much as your own. This raises the responsibility level of practicing seduction to a higher level, in my opinion, than solitary pursuits. It makes practicing the social arts a very tricky business, indeed.

In the beginning, I was like, "OK, I know I'm socially retarded, but what's the worse that can happen? Make a fool of myself, learn, and move on. All righty then—I'm ready to jump into the jungle and see what happens…"

Then, "Wait, wait, what? I have the power to hurt people with my behavior…? Fuck, that isn't cool, and now I feel like a piece of shit…"

The irony is that as I play hard-to-get out of genuine, new found caution, female attraction only spikes even harder. Oh, the absurdity of life…

-M
 

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I think my writing tends to come off in extremes of emotion, and my last post above came off more negative than I really wanted.

Earlier yesterday, I ended up spilling my guts on seduction to an older gentlemen (big mistake, I now realize) with whom I have been friends for many years. His reaction was something along the lines of, "you're better than that…" as he shook his head in disbelief. Along the last few years, he has repeatedly suggested that it's about that time I think about settling down (with one woman). This is a man who has been through more than one failed marriage, having admitted that the last 15 years of his last marriage consisted of no sex at all… This is a person who wants to advise me on finding the right woman…

Why are people so hung up on building prisons around others?

Chase mentioned this before: the world is full of people trying to sell (or give) advice about topics within which they have never succeeded.

I honestly get the feeling people get downright jealous or even pissed when they run into someone who is relatively happy with his life—happy doing exactly what he wants, no less.

Some men out there are so far off the mark when it comes to understanding women, I feel as though I'm talking to a wall. I don't mean to be arrogant or even suggest I really get it all that well myself, and that brings me to my point: there is literally no one I can think of in my real life I can talk to about the true workings of seduction or this secret society stuff. I surely have my issues, but GC is the only place I can turn to to hash out my thoughts and develop a better understanding of women.

Thank for reading, gents—doing my best to contribute, if only by sharing a little of what's on my mind each day. This is a great community we have here.

Best always,

-M
 
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