@ J Wick-
J Wick said:
So Chase, what do you feel the time frame for a normal person's growth rate in terms of learning seduction and social arts, or even any skill?
How skillful have you seen normal people get?
Well, the categories are convenient breakdowns, but the truth is we're all on a spectrum, and we fall different places on that spectrum for different things.
e.g., if you think of focus as an x-y chart, with the x-axis being "how long do you focus on this for" and the y-axis being "how intensely do you focus on this", maybe you're high on the y-axis and moderately far on the x-axis for pickup (rage to master, essentially), and much closer to the middle for something else important to you, like tennis, which you play twice a week but aren't THAT excited for.
Most "normal" people seem to cap out at a level where they're occasionally getting just under what they'd really like to get consistently in a perfect world.
So, to make a brief exception and use the ratings scale, which I normally detest, let's say you're a normal guy and your ideal girl is an 8 looks, 7 intellect, 8 personality, and 9 sweetness. Maybe what you usually get is a 6 looks, 5 intellect, 6 personality, and 7 sweetness. You keep dating and gradually improving until one day you land a girl who's a 7 looks, 6 intellect, 7 personality, and 8 sweetness. You're a little torn, but it's not SO hard a decision, so you decide this one's a keeper and settle into a relationship. She's almost what you want. That's about where most normal people cap out at.
The mastery-focused guys will typically actually hit their targets - and then raise them. So the girl who used to be his dream girl is now "just okay", and he needs more. It's part of what keeps him focused on improvement... he keeps raising the bar for himself.
It seems like normal people also have a four- or five-year learning curve for most things, only they have much slower progress and make significantly less advancement. After that they sort of stall out and stop progressing, and after that no matter how much they use their skill they're in stasis. The only people who violate the 4/5-year curve are the lifetime masters, who just continue to grind it out once the initial period of high returns is past and they're committed to piling up ever-more micro returns to really just be the absolute best.
"Normal" people skill levels I'd say can reach up to around "above average" or "upper middle class" or however you like to term these things. Beyond that, they've got to have at least a touch of mastery fever in them to clear the subsequent hurdles into higher levels of skill.
@ Lux-
lux7 said:
You can actually get good at "business" in the sense of building successful companies?
In like that no matter the field, you will make money with the newly founded company.. ?
You can get good at anything.
Running a business is in large part about the development and use of a variety of different skill sets:
- Niche selection
- Product development
- Marketing & advertising
- Customer service
- Hiring
- Management
- Sales & conversion
- Promotion, PR, & branding
- Money management, investing, & financials
- Negotiation & deal-making / alliance-building
- Law, taxes, corporate structure, & contracts
etc. The better you become at these skills, the more successful you are.
e.g., who's going to have an easier time setting up a new company - the guy who only knows, "Well, if I want customers, I think advertising might help, maybe?" or the guy who knows how to write ads that get clicked on like crazy, what sites and networks have the best returns for what niches, how to negotiate with the ad reps, how to set up a click server that'll give him actionable data, how to properly monetize a sales funnel so he can afford higher dollar buys on more competitive sites, etc. These two guys are not starting from remotely the same position, and there's a million skills like this you learn running business.
That said, nothing guarantees success. Just as you may become the greatest playboy in the world and you'll still never come close to being able to get every girl you go for, same deal with starting businesses, and you'll still not make every entity you stick your fingers into a success.
However, the skills translate. Every business I've worked on for more than a year I've gotten profitable, and the ones I worked on once I had success running businesses under my belt already were much, much easier to get there, since I already knew exactly what to do and what not to to get them making money.
Just ask Steve Jobs (Apple, Pixar, NEXT) or Elon Musk (PayPal, SpaceX, Tesla) if those skills translate.
There's an element of luck involved, of course. Jobs took a couple of failing, flailing companies (Apple, Pixar) and made them into giants, yet when he started his own company completely from the ground up (NEXT) it was only moderately successful. Musk is facing extremely fierce competition from other car manufacturers entering the electric car market and Tesla's shot at becoming a titan in the industry is rather in doubt (and his frustration's been visible). Nothing's guaranteed... just made more likely, is all.
Ultimately, everything's trainable. Life is a dojo, and anything can be learned. It merely takes time, dedication, and loads of (frequently taxing) practice, focused on the thing you'd like to be able to do.
Just like a dojo, most people stop going after a couple of sessions, or only check in now and again, and never get very good. That just makes it easier for you if you're one of the few who's actually serious about getting his skill handled in a significant way.
Chase