Calls & Texts Stop calling it texting when in reality it's messaging. An important distinction.

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And it's a bit more complicated than texting. Let's talk apps!

I've recently learned that if you are in the US and you have an android phone you are a nobody. Women refuse to date men who don't have iPhones. In the rest of the world we use various chat apps which looks the same on both iPhone and Android but technically it's not texting. Texting cost much in most places. In the US if it's an iPhone to iPhone communication it's iMessage. You only text to your Android nobody friends. I mean this is the American perspective, not my personal view.

Messaging is a little more complicated than texting (unless you are an American iPhone/iMessage user) because first there is this dance to find out who uses which messaging app and for what purpose? Are you using messaging app A or B? OK, but do you use it for your family and closest friends or is it your app of choice to check up on your frenemies? This back and forth dance takes time and it doesn't help when you have say 2 to 3 minutes in a typical day game situation. That's quite a typical day game situation for me.

I live in a place with incoming tourists from everywhere. and they use every app. But even local people use the few apps they use in personally different ways (family and close friends or checking up on frenemies). I most appreciate the kind of girls who could be the Instagram queens but refuse to be on the platform because they find it too shallow. Luckily these girls though are a rare breed, they aren't fiction. The reality is that you can't have life in every platform including the ones you use once in a blue moon. Especially if you intend to maintain a second life. I think it's reasonable to assume that this is what most guys wanted to do if they seriously considered Instagram at all. Snapchat anyone? It has much less users than Instagram in the States, even much less elsewhere. Still some girls give me their Snapchats, girls otherwise I would have been interested in.

So I don't get why pickup instructors are so sloppy to still call it texting in 2019. I just don't understand it. I see no other explanation than they are just really sloppy to care to dissect the nuances between all the platforms people in reality use. Even pickup instructors who are not American. Sure most of these guys aren't social media experts, even though they could be. Heck, they should be. Chase's 2nd edition of texting book which just came out silently 2 weeks ago stills calls it texting. No, Chase. It's messaging.

I wonder if you have dedicated at least one chapter to the current messaging situation in the new edition of your book. Looking at the table of contents on Amazon: no, you didn't. It looks like your book describe the current situation exactly as if we went back in time 10 years (by the table of contents). Like texting was 10 years ago in the US as texting back and forth at length was never a thing most elsewhere before the arrival of the various chat apps.

What I've found you'll just have to skip a certain percentage of girls simply because there is no platform the two of you can agree as the best way to communicate compared to an ideal world where everyone would yeah, really texted. Is it your friendly or frenemies platform?

Even if a girl is receptive to you and she has more than 500 Instagram followers and you are a nobody on Instagram (and that's what most guys are compared to the average Instagram girl, it's just the basic dynamic of the platform) how warm is she going to be to text, pardon, message you there? OK, at least you had the guts to approach her in person compared to her other 500 hungry followers.

What's your overall strategy for all these platforms?

I've lost her from sight, the mall is just so busy and chaotic. But luckily I've stumbled upon her by accident in this big and bustling mall, now she was on her phone. In this part of the world when girls are out and about during the day they actually talk to people on the phone, too. Even the younger generation. I've heard it's different in the US, when even older people are mostly only texting.

Do you actually call girls on the phone? If so in which part of the world you are?

Advanced: voice messages.

 

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Even pickup instructors who are not American. Sure most of these guys aren't social media experts, even though they could be. Heck, they should be.

This is important, I forgot to add. There is a term for the younger generation who were born into ubiquitous technology and interconnectedness called digital native. While members of the older generation are the digital immigrants. The two view and use technology differently.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Space dude! There is a difference between texting and messaging, and different people do use different apps differently but I feel that this isn’t as much of an issue. I’m from the UK so maybe it’s different for you but I’ve never been refused a phone number once I’ve set up a date with them. 9 times out of 10 if I exchange social media or another messaging app it’s because the girl has asked me for mine. If I don’t have the one that she has asked me for I will offer an alternative that I do use.

I don’t use social media much and don’t have a lot of apps for messaging, but if I ever end up in a “dance” to see what app we’re going to communicate on I will accept the first one they suggest that’s convenient for me, and I will offer an alternative if I don’t have what they’ve asked for. It helps if they’ve got their phone out cause sometimes you can see an app that she has that you use. I have never had an issue agreeing on a contact method its usually done in 30 seconds and within 3 suggestions total.

I find people that prefer using these different apps or social media will have a good data plan, the phone is usually on contract and most the time these contracts offer a lot of texts inclusive of the phone contract. I have unlimited texting and a good chunk of data so it’s mostly my preference. I used to exclusively text girls but I have opened up more to messaging, but I still prefer to text and any girl I see routinely will be converted to a phone number. I got on well with a girl from social circle, we had each other’s social medias but as soon as I made a move I got her number. Despite we had lots of ways available to talk (and she prefers social media) she gave me her number when I asked. (I say asked, I told her I would get her number and a few minutes later she was asking me to take her number to make sure I didn’t forget to take it).

The bulk of texting and messaging is the same, you still primarily text/message to arrange dates. You’d still ice break, schedule, and be fun regardless. All of the guides will transfer, the difference is you can be more creative through messaging. I find GIFs and pictures are a lot easier to use through various apps and if you have a good GIF, picture/meme that fits what you’re talking about use it. This is being fun and can help you be playful and tease. Just don’t go overboard and be to entertaining, you’re not a jester!

 

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@Flux

Originally I wanted to ask about non US people's experiences with these crazy times in texting and messaging we live in but I'm glad you chimed in with your perspective from the one non US country which most wants to be like the US and in many ways it's a little like the US viewing from the European Continent.

But first we have to clearly admit that we are in crazy time's when it comes to texting and messaging:

RCS: What it is and why you might want it - It's Google's answer to iMessage

The moral case for iMessage on Android

It looks like your book describe the current situation exactly as if we went back in time 10 years (by the table of contents). Like texting was 10 years ago in the US as texting back and forth at length was never a thing most elsewhere before the arrival of the various chat apps.

Important clarification. To the best of my knowledge texting back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth was never a thing before the arrival of smartphones and then through apps anywhere outside the United States maybe except for the United Kingdom but certainly not in most countries in Continental Europe. Here texting (for most people with the average carrier plan they are in) never made sense as sending a single text costs almost as much as calling the other person. So before smartphones people don't texted by and large (besides the occasional text), rather simply called each other. Okay?

Now let's compere the US, the UK, and other places such as Continental Europe!

• The US. Messaging back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth through carrier SMS has been always a thing since flip phones and is still a thing, though a significant amount of the conversation moved to iMessage (for better or worse) which is backward compatible with SMS. Backward compatibility is an important factor. Roughly half of the population have iPhones.
• Continental Europe. Messaging back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth through carrier SMS has never been a thing, nor was it in the flip phone era nor it is now. Today if you want to have cheap unlimited texting you subscribe to the cheapest data plan, download WhatsApp and you can have almost unlimited chats even in the cheapest plans as online messaging and a few GIFs and memes don's consume much data. So my experience is kind of at odds with what you suggest that messaging thorough apps is for rich people only on the biggest data plans. I can certainly see a similar strategy (basic data and unlimited WhatsApp messages) could very well work for someone in the UK as I understand WhatsApp has replaced quite the texting there, but I don't want to get ahead of myself, I talk about the UK in the next section. I want to add here that WhatsApp is just an example as every country and every person have their own preferences. Some countries and people prefer Facebook for messaging and Facebook is social media platform and WhatsApp is more like a texting-messaging platform. Facebook (the platform) is also the much more atrocious wing of Facebook (the company) while WhatsApp being the somewhat less atrocious product. And even WhatsApp even isn't the solution, see the articles I linked to in the beginning (RCS: What it is and why you might want it and The moral case for iMessage on Android). iPhones penetration here is also lower as compared to roughly half the population in the US or the UK having iPhones. I guess it's because we just like to mimic our US friends a little less on the Continent than you in Britain. Even most regular iPhone users hardly ever use iMessage in Europe except for Apple geeks.
• The UK. As I understand it (but feel free to clarify) the UK situation is somewhere between the middle of what's going on the US and on the Continent. Was messaging back and forth, back and forth, and back and forth through carrier SMS ever a thing before smartphones? Yes, it seems to be. Is it still a thing? I thought WhatsApp totally replaced SMS messages in your country but you proved me wrong. SMS is still going strong according to you. But as much as I understand the situation in the UK WhatsApp has replaced part of your SMS messaging traffic. Which is cheaper for you? Unlimited (or at least unlimited for your needs) SMS messaging through your carrier or the cheapest data plan and using WhatsApp? Which is the better option? WhatsApp has GIFs and emojis and is also encrypted and some people appreciated that. More and more people appreciate that. WhatsApp is also owned by the atrocious Facebook company, so there is a drawback, too. Also if you want to have SMS messaging with someone she has to be in the unlimited (or unlimited for her purposes) SMS plan. Seeing from the Continent I assume more people would choose the data plan rather than the SMS plan if they had to choose, so that's again one point in the direction of WhatsApp. About half the population owns iPhones. As with everything, Brits like to appease their US overlords.

I don’t use social media much and don’t have a lot of apps for messaging, but if I ever end up in a “dance” to see what app we’re going to communicate on I will accept the first one they suggest that’s convenient for me, and I will offer an alternative if I don’t have what they’ve asked for. It helps if they’ve got their phone out cause sometimes you can see an app that she has that you use. I have never had an issue agreeing on a contact method its usually done in 30 seconds and within 3 suggestions total.

It's 3 suggestions for you in small town UK. As I remember you are from small town UK. But how about moving to cosmopolitan London or small town continental Europe and the 3 suggestions become 4? How about moving to a cosmopolitan city on the continent and the 4 suggestions become 5? In my case it's 5 suggestions. 2 of the 5 are more traditional chat apps which you described and 3 of them are social media on which you are supposed to "have a life" as I've talked about. And for digital immigrants it takes a little more effort to fake one. To fake a second one to be precise. These 5 platforms are the ones most people use, most girls use not including niche apps which certain subcultures use but could be potentially more interesting in the long run. As more and more people start to care about their online privacy and that sort of things.

I most appreciate the kind of girls who could be the Instagram queens but refuse to be on the platform because they find it too shallow. Luckily these girls though are a rare breed, they aren't fiction.

Teens Who Say No to Social Media

In this part of the world when girls are out and about during the day they actually talk to people on the phone, too. Even the younger generation. I've heard it's different in the US, when even older people are mostly only texting. So you have that, too. What should you do when the girl you want to talk to is on the phone? RSD Max had some advanced video how he interrupted a girl on the phone, but since then he took down all his footage. Maybe he changed his mind about it and doesn't recommend such tactics to guys in today's climate.

Out of curiosity, do you actually call girls on the phone? Do you often see attractive girls during the day talking on their phones or at all?

As for your texting via traditional SMS in the UK. As half of the population owns iPhones and regular texts redirect to iMessage, do you have a similar green bubble - blue bubble divide to the US as I've mentioned in the beginning (Women refuse to date men who don't have iPhones)?

Messaging is a mess now.

 

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7. iPhone Penetration.

In foreign countries, not all smartphones are created equal. Girls who own iPhones show more negative behavior than girls who own a utilitarian Android phone that costs less than half as much (only in America are iPhones cheap). The presence of iPhones are the canary in the coal mine for how much flaking, attitude, and general difficulty you’ll face with foreign women who are obsessed with seeking status. While smartphones will eventually blanket the world, you should pay close attention to the ratio of iPhones to Android models in your determination of whether a city will be good to you or not.

While my experience does not 100% coincide with that of Roosh's, he has a point. I've certainly meet some sweet iPhone girls (and yes, iPhones are expensive here) as well as Android girls, on the other hand if she is someone obnoxious she is much more likely to be an iPhone girl than an Android girl. So Roosh's observation at least works the other way around for me.

 

[Fluxcapacitor]

Space dude! The UK is a European take on the US in many ways you're right on that! And we are in crazy times for messaging. Messaging back and forth started to become a thing with flip phones here in the UK same as the US and continues to be a thing but you are right that most messaging has moved away from SMS and into WhatsApp, Facebook (messenger) and SnapChat is becoming increasingly popular for messaging. Instagram is very popular but used less for messaging but I do find it very useful. The UK is definitely somewhere inbetween US and Europe for the messaging.

The big factor which keeps SMS readily available is you don't have to choose between SMS and data, phone plans now whether its a full contract or sim only offer good SMS with Data. My current plan offers both and I pay very little monthly. Everyone I have set up a date with I ask for the number and have never been declined (once they have agreed to go out, I have been rejected asking for a number). I have even had girls (18yo - 22yo) ask me for my number recently.

Usually I find more and more people do ask for a social media usually facebook, followed secondly by SnapChat and then Instagram. I used to avoid social media but found using facebook Messenger just as convenient so do use it. A few of my friends have noted when they meet girls through night game that social media contact seems to be the kiss of death for them. Girls are collecting friends on social media and its another like and extra validation for them. I have seen this happen.

An interesting thing to take note is you can make facebook messenger your SMS app, the same way WhatsApp can. So despite the fact that I am texting they may use facebook or whatsapp and it makes no difference to either of us. You also noted privacy, text messaging would prevent Google and Facebook from storing all of your messages potentially giving greater privacy, although this is another issue altogether.

I live just outside of a small town although ironically statistically its one of the biggest towns in the UK, though still a lot smaller than any city. I have been to bigger cities and even London and have still managed to agree on a messaging platform within 3 suggestions but yes I can see more and more alterative messaging being offered in bigger cities, I still think you could get around it fairly easily. Again if they agree a date chances are they won't decline a number - unless you prefer messaging yourself? Then lead and ask for the one that you want.

I very rarely see girls using their phones for calls a lot of the time they have phones in hand and are messaging/snapchatting etc and you will see this a lot. Calls happen but usually you'll see one calling while 9 are messaging. Personally I don't phone girls unless they've called me. I find theres a bit of a divide for calls, some people like them and others don't. I'm usually very busy so prefer messaging. Theres sometimes a phone call is just easier but girls usually phone me.

I haven't noticed a green and blue divide, ironically most of the girls I have met the past 2 years have usually had iPhones and they've always been happy to text me. No one has hated my android use enough to refuse messaging or dating me :')

There is some correlation that the iPhone users are usually more obnoxious and a little stuck up, it comes with the price tag I guess? That said the girls that I've met have all been cool :') the issue is is that apple don't sell phones. They sell a lifestyle and the iPhone users have bought into the lifestyle. If you don't have the product you're not part of that life and they've made it a cool little world to be in. Its not a necesity but thats where the usual obnoxious behaviour comes from. Not everyone with apple products are like that though.

I tried replying to this on my phone and had no chance dude! For any moderator reading can the reply message stay locked on the screen while you type and able to scroll to read the message while doing so? Would make replying to big threads much easier!

 

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Snapchat anyone?

So I don't get why pickup instructors are so sloppy to still call it texting in 2019. I just don't understand it. I see no other explanation than they are just really sloppy to care to dissect the nuances between all the platforms people in reality use. Even pickup instructors who are not American. Sure most of these guys aren't social media experts, even though they could be. Heck, they should be.

Frankly I didn't expect the solution to this ever coming from your side.

However I've recently discovered YouTuber Based Zeus (with 1.3 million subscribers, so much so about seduction being such an underground enterprise LOL). The face behind the animation is a relatively younger guy compared to what I assume the average age of Girls Chase writers or high ranking forum members is. So it's reasonable that Zeus may "get it" better how younger girls use social media and messaging today. OK, he is American, I allow him to call it texting. But he covers Instagram and Snapchat just as well. I was asking about Snapchat here before. And frankly I never expected the solution to come from your side, but now it's OK.

Zeus' texting - messaging - social media playlist. It's not all his videos related to texting - messaging - social media though, for a full list you have to go through his channel, but it's probably his "best of" selection. Seriously though, his videos answer to me at least most of the texting - messaging questions you guys regularly come up with here. The 20-minute sales video for his product (which I'm not about to promote) is good information in itself about her Great Filter you are supposed to pass. Many horny guys text - message the average girl these days and first she has to be sure you are worthy.

 

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Probably I should mention it in this thread as well as I somehow managed to write it in another thread that @Fluxcapacitor's above post which I already liked lit a lightbulb in my head regarding my messaging. But it's still messaging through some app outside of the US (and in 50% of the cases in Britain as it turned out), not texting and it's an important distinction.