Success without game!

[Garrett]

Hey guys, Garrett here.

I was curious if anyone can relate to this... You know when your buddy or someone you know starts dating a girl and you ask them, "So how'd you land that one?"
Then the guy tells you something like, "Man, I didn't do anything!. Just be yourself and take things at your own pace, I don't know why you insist on moving fast! It doesn't work!"

Firstly, to comment on this, I know the guy is wrong and clearly has no idea what he's doing. For any of you guys who are unsure of what Chase teaches, I'm telling you from my own experience and all of my 'girl friends', this stuff is true! I was talking to my sister and she felt threatened and she's the most conservative girl I know. Reason being? Knowledge is power as Chase advocates, so it's a scary tool that works and girls start getting defensive, but with persistence, I got her to admit that it's scary how true and accurate the blog is.

Anyways, in relation to the guy situation, what I want to know is, how do guys with no game sometimes end up with beautiful, 'intelligent', well educated, and essentially those dream girls that are hard to find and even harder to get with, provided you don't know what you're doing with women.

In my opinion, it comes down to lack of other options, because why would a girl friendzone a guy if he's the only guy who's in her life? Then again, if you have so many desirable traits, then wouldn't you almost always have options; attractive guys, friend guys, guys on the backburners, providers, etc.?

If you have any logical explanation as to why a woman will settle for an 'average guy' with nothing overall sexy about him, his image, and average lifestyle with no desire to self improve, I'd be interested to know, because although it's much better to move fast and do what Chase says, something that has puzzled me is how sometimes the guy will get with a girl, despite his lack of game, experience, looks, and qualities. Could it be down to luck, lack of options, desperation?

Cheers,
Garrett

 

[Ross]

Firstly, to comment on this, I know the guy is wrong and clearly has no idea what he's doing.

He got laid didn't he? Pay attention to action over words.

how do guys with no game sometimes end up with beautiful, 'intelligent', well educated, and essentially those dream girls that are hard to find and even harder to get with, provided you don't know what you're doing with women.

Game is really a relative term.. Every guy uses some sort of game; it's basically the course of action you take to get laid. A lot of things are also due to chance; she just happened to be single, this guy appealed to her. Be it by right of personality or looks, he appealed to her and didn't need to do any gaming. She made it all happen.

In my opinion, it comes down to lack of other options, because why would a girl friendzone a guy if he's the only guy who's in her life?

Most girls don't just have one guy in their life. I'm sure if I put an ugly woman chasing after you that you wouldn't be too keen on sleeping with her, even if she was the only girl you had a chance with.

If you have any logical explanation as to why a woman will settle for an 'average guy' with nothing overall sexy about him, his image, and average lifestyle with no desire to self improve, I'd be interested to know, because although it's much better to move fast and do what Chase says, something that has puzzled me is how sometimes the guy will get with a girl, despite his lack of game, experience, looks, and qualities. Could it be down to luck, lack of options, desperation?

This is harsh and judgmental.. I'm sure you are basing this off experiences where average guys seem to get beautiful women, but the fact is that you don't know everything about them. Even if you met them and have seen them, maybe they know a thing or two about women. It could be luck or chance, but it could also be skill and course of action. It isn't always down to something crazy, it could have just happened. Maybe she wanted to settle down, I don't know; I'm not a mind-reader. You shouldn't try to be either. It's good to look at other people that have had success and try to find reasons why, but you really can't know without being the person and experiencing what they have.

 

[Garrett]

Hey RTB!

I didn't mean to come across as harsh and judgemental. I've experienced this personally, I've witnessed it from guys I've known well too. The thing is, when I had no 'game' a few years back, I still managed to get girls, even by sending long text conversations, talking to them everyday, and basically doing everything the typical nice guy does, which according to Chase is wrong, and I agree with him.

I guess I was looking at things too black and white, as if to say "if you follow Chase's advice, that's the ONLY way you will get girls. If you don't follow his advice, you WILL NOT get girls attracted" Like for example, I remember in one of Chase's posts he talked about what NOT to do, and some of those things I ended up doing and I see other guys doing it, but we were still getting women.

I'm not trying to insult other people, I'm trying to examine/track their behavior, as well as my own, in order to find any patterns, and wanted to see what others had to say. More specifically was looking to determine what it is about these guys that makes some girls like them, despite the fact that they mistakenly do everything society tells them to, and I was like this too until I came across Girls Chase, which completely changed my life for the better, as I'm sure it has for others who have taken the time to improve their success with women!

Thanks for the comment RTB, I've now come to the realization that you don't have to do everything right. Chase's advice can be used to optimize one's chances with women, but as he has admitted, it's not 100% efficient, nor is anything perfectly black and white in this world.

Much appreciated,
Garrett

 

[Garrett]

P.S. None of them have gotten laid, and about settling for an ugly girl... can't argue with the logic there, good point

 

[Ross]

I guess I was looking at things too black and white, as if to say "if you follow Chase's advice, that's the ONLY way you will get girls. If you don't follow his advice, you WILL NOT get girls attracted" Like for example, I remember in one of Chase's posts he talked about what NOT to do, and some of those things I ended up doing and I see other guys doing it, but we were still getting women.

Yeah. Goes to show how easy getting with women really is, especially when they want to get together with you.

 

[The Tool]

From my perspective I honestly dont know how guys do it by just being average, ordinary, needy, texting her everyday not majorly attractive. it boggles my mind.
Before girlschase I HAD NO SUCCESS WITH WOMEN!! NONE WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!! girlschase is all I know. Its like my bible and it has given me nothing but success in every aspect of my life. I guess alot of guys are just naturally born with this stuff. because Girlschase although it is great is not the only way to get girls.

 

[Garrett]

From my perspective I honestly dont know how guys do it by just being average, ordinary, needy, texting her everyday not majorly attractive. it boggles my mind.
Before girlschase I HAD NO SUCCESS WITH WOMEN!! NONE WHAT SO EVER!!!!!!!!! girlschase is all I know. Its like my bible and it has given me nothing but success in every aspect of my life. I guess alot of guys are just naturally born with this stuff. because Girlschase although it is great is not the only way to get girls.

Hey Tool! Man, I feel the exact same way! Chase's work among others, including you and RTB (I read your post about Liz, which was nice btw , has honestly changed my entire outlook on things for the better! The thing is though, I think it's important not to take EVERYTHING as truth, because nothing is 100% accurate. I'll tell you this, I've done my fair share of research and Chase is as accurate as it gets and girls feel threatened whenever I explain to them what he teaches!

Also, I'll give you some input. All girls are different as you know, and all girls have different preferences in guys. For most girls, if you just do SOME of what Chase says, like just walking more slowly and nothing more, that may be all it takes to get more girls. Even being yourself has worked for me, granted I am a naturally goodlooking guy with a lot of value to offer so I unintentionally would slot myself into "boyfriend territory" every time, without having to do much. Not these days though!

I used to do most things wrong, like text the girl all day everyday, buy them gifts (not often but on occasion), take them out for dinner and a movie, all of which was overkill and are attraction killers for most girls! It's frustrating too when you talk to your friend who happened to get lucky and he insists that all you have to do is be yourself. I'll be honest, my success rate (I actually calculated this) was about 10% so, I'd get 1/10 girls talked to before Girls Chase; none of which I approached (it was mostly social circle). Haven't had time to test Chase's teachings all that much, but girls like me a lot more now and I'm brushing them off because I'm busy with school and tell them I don't want a relationship. Preselection has helped, added a chinstrap, new hairstyle, more tighter clothing, peacocking (in various forms) better walk/voice etc, mainly just fundamental stuff right now due to my unfortunate lack of logistics (living at home).

For the guys like us, who are trying to improve and get better in any way possible, simply walking slowly and doing nothing else just isn't enough! I'll tell you this though, from looking at all the guys in high school and even in university who got the girls and had girls all over them, most if not, ALL had similar traits. This one guy I knew, he was very socially awkward, and as Chase would say an "unknown" who was clueless about getting girls, but he naturally walked slowly, talked slowly, had a deep voice, and worked out, and girls found him mysterious, manly, and therefore, attractive. Just look around at the guys you know (besides yourself) who are clueless about Girls Chase, yet still naturally get all the girls unintentionally and easily. Next time you are with friends who attract a lot of women without knowing about Girls Chase, examine their behavior. It's truly astonishing what patterns you may discover!

Cheers,
Garrett

 

[The Tool]

Thanks Garrett. Very well done and excellent input my man.

I used to do most things wrong, like text the girl all day everyday, buy them gifts (not often but on occasion), take them out for dinner and a movie, all of which was overkill and are attraction killers for most girls! It's frustrating too when you talk to your friend who happened to get lucky and he insists that all you have to do is be yourself. I'll be honest, my success rate (I actually calculated this) was about 10% so, I'd get 1/10 girls talked to before Girls Chase; none of which I approached (it was mostly social circle). Haven't had time to test Chase's teachings all that much, but girls like me a lot more now and I'm brushing them off because I'm busy with school and tell them I don't want a relationship. Preselection has helped, added a chinstrap, new hairstyle, more tighter clothing, peacocking (in various forms) better walk/voice etc, mainly just fundamental stuff right now due to my unfortunate lack of logistics (living at home).

indeed my man. Indeed

Excellent input.

The Tool

 

[Flames]

On the slow and fast thing.

It's depends on what your looking for, how much time you have and your overall value.

Personally I'm way too slow but it seems to be ok as I also seem to be able to switch 'roles' quite easily too.

Fast is still better if you want quick and easy lays, no doubt about it.