Talk sex or not to talk sex?

[Drck]

Unclear about this one (Talk sex or not to talk sex?).

1. According to Brodsky and David X, "the man" just talks about what he wants to talk. Basically, talking sex, telling her to wait because he is just doing it with her in his mind, starring at her boobs and so on. Such man doesn't care at all what the woman thinks about it, but apparently they get laid quite often.

2. Personally, I am not sure, this style could appear quite sleazy to many women. I could talk sex with someone who I know for longer time, but I can't imagine doing it on the first date. I think it is generally better just to wait till the woman starts talking about it herself.

Any insight? Thanks!

 

[wh1rlpool]

The way I see it talking sex on average is going increase probability of closing with them, because it puts them in a sex-related mindset.

However, you don't always want your girl in a sex-related mindset. For some girls, as soon as the idea of sex enters into their mind, their defenses are irreversibly up. I wouldn't do it if you think your girl is this type.

 

[Garrett]

The way I see it talking sex on average is going increase probability of closing with them, because it puts them in a sex-related mindset.

However, you don't always want your girl in a sex-related mindset. For some girls, as soon as the idea of sex enters into their mind, their defenses are irreversibly up. I wouldn't do it if you think your girl is this type.

I know you meant well wh1rlpool, but this is actually incorrect. You want to use sexual frames, but don't talk about sex, especially if it involves talking about you and her. It kills tension, it's a turn off, and the girl's interest will sink tremendously. I've experimented with this personally, and Chase has said the same thing.

Wh1rlpool, I think you may have been referring to sexual frames when you were discussing the idea of sex entering the girl's mind. It's perfectly fine to bring up sexually-related topics. In fact, I remember a funny one Chase mentioned that you could use. Ex: Girl says, 'I'm craving hotdogs!' Guy 'Yeah, probably MY hotdog .' A lot of it has to do with inferring that the girl wants to have sex with you, without directly saying 'you so want me to stick my penis in your vagina'; <- that's taking it TOO far. You want to be discrete, natural, and infer your intentions, without being overly direct. If you do this well, the result will be that the girl subconsciously registers the idea and will actually WANT to have sex with you.

You also want to make sure you are using sexual frames sparingly throughout your interaction. If the girl doesn't respond well, hopefully you have enough social intuition to register that and direct the conversation elsewhere. Don't push it, just throw one out there once in a while, and whether she bites or not, there's a good chance it'll register with her subconscious. I tend to use chase framing a lot more than sexual framing because chase framing is so easy to use and can be used in almost any situation, whereas with sexual frames, you have to use your wit to identify something the girl says, twist it into her having sexual thoughts for you, and let it hang in her subconscious . It's not manipulation, it's all a part of the game, and girls play it as well, so all is fair in love and war .

Cheers,
Garrett