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(Writing this LR quick while it's fresh in my mind - might be a bit of a verbal spaghetti)
Today's my last day in China, and I'm leaving with one heck of a reference point. This might very well be some of the most intense LMR I've ever faced. I had to really trust the process with this one.
Met this girl two days ago outside a large shopping mall in the early evening. Very standard daygame cold approach - a simple non-looks-based compliment on her style/fashion. Our interaction was very brief - only about two minutes. I suggested milk tea another day to get to know each other, she agreed, then I added her WeChat.
Texting was minimal. Didn't sense any particularly strong interest on her part, but when I suggested that milk tea, she complied, and so we met up at 2pm today.
I almost didn't recognize her when I saw her again. Dressed in a tight low-cut top and baggy pants, her style was definitely very Chinese, but her face was not. As it turned out, she is a Kazakh ethnic minority from Xinjiang province in the far north west of China. A 23-year-old graduate student who recently moved to Wuhan.
We grabbed some bubble tea, then sat at Starbucks.
In contrast to the 19-year-old Shanghai girl I had seduced a few days prior who barely asked me anything, this girl was much more active in asking me questions. In fact, it made the deep diving a bit of a challenge because I had to turn the questions around on her.
I've been borrowing bits and pieces from the game style of Elon, this YouTuber/daygame coach, who I think has a very efficient method for seducing Chinese girls. He doesn't show very overt interest in the girls he's with. In fact, he hardly even uses physical touch. But he gets them chasing—it's essentially chase framing through the use of social frame and showing mild disinterest. I find it's very effective (although it probably did contribute to the LMR I faced with this girl, as you'll see later).
She was turned towards me and asking me questions, while I kept my body language pointed forward. And while I was listening to everything, I would sometimes make my responses quite brief and just nod, then take a sip of my drink and look at something nearby, as if she’d said something that wasn’t particularly interesting. I didn't even do this intentionally, but I've found it a very comfortable way to game girls - basically just dialling the enthusiasm down. It's low-effort and it sets a good chase frame.
At one point, she asked me about my dating history. I gave her a curt answer—that I'd been single for over a year—and then asked her the same. As it turned out, she had just broken up with her one and only boyfriend, who was from Tajikistan.
After our drinks, I suggested we go for a walk. We decided to explore a temple across the road that neither of us had been to before. Not normally a place I would take a girl on a date, but I genuinely wanted to check it out. To be honest, I wasn’t actually expecting to pull this girl—it was two o’clock in the afternoon, and I had another date lined up later. But at this point, my seduction sense was tingling—I could sense the pull was there with this girl. Thankfully, my other date canceled, so I could pursue this one with peace of mind.
The temple was quite enjoyable. It was a sunny day and there was a gentle breeze, and we continued our conversations and banter as we walked up the steps. I didn’t use much physical touch other than occasionally touching her back when crossing a road or something.
I deep dived her a lot on her life back home in Xinjiang—her childhood, Kazakh culture. I was genuinely interested, and I think that showed. @Teevster mentioned just today, in another thread discussing Spanish women, that one can gain great rapport with a girl simply by being curious and asking about her culture and social norms—even if you know nothing about it. I had this in mind.
After strolling the temple—by now we were around two hours into the date—I could sense that the conversation threads were drying up and we were both getting a bit tired. So it was time to pull the trigger. She mentioned she was a bit hungry, so I suggested we go get some noodles at a place nearby, which was also very close to where I was staying.
On the way to the noodle shop, we didn’t talk much. I think all the conversation was pretty much exhausted. This is a dangerous point—if you don’t pull when things get boring, you risk losing the seduction completely.
After the noodles, I suggested yogurt. We went to the convenience store. Then I did the same pull routine as last time: "I need to send a document on my computer. Let's go upstairs for a minute, then we can keep walking." Obviously, I knew she was tired and didn’t want to walk anymore, so we weren’t going to go anywhere.
We got into my room, and I let her settle in while I busied myself on the computer to "send my document" (i.e. read Skilled Seducer forum).
After 10 minutes or so, I brought my laptop over to the couch where she was sitting to show her some photos from back home, which I’d mentioned to her earlier. As music played and I showed her the photos, and we talked about my home country, I put my arm around her. And I got my first stage of resistance. It was very stiff.
Her: No, please don’t do that. I’m not comfortable.
Me: Why?
Her: We only just met. This is too awkward, so please don’t touch me.
Me: Well... it’s not about the amount of time you spend together. It’s about the feeling.
Her: No, no, no. That's NOT how it is in Chinese culture.
I dropped it, shuffled over, and gave her some space. I showed a little bit of disinterest, which prompted her—of her own accord—to advance things forward to the next stage of her LMR.
Her: Do you do this with lots of girls?
Me: Only when I feel chemistry. If the feeling isn’t there, why would I want to?
After a couple more minutes of comfort building, I did a move that almost never fails—I scooped her up and put her on my lap. Girls really love this for some reason. No matter what resistance you’re facing, you can always pick her up and put her on your lap.
From there, it was much easier. We were closer. Our skin was touching naturally. But I still didn’t escalate too quickly.
But after some time, I picked her up again and moved to a chair by the window, setting her down on my lap again. We looked out the window, and I gave her a very gentle kiss on the lips, which she didn’t resist.
A minute or so later, I kissed her again, but she was still resistant. She stopped.
Her: That’s enough.
Me: You don’t like it?
Her: It’s okay, it’s just... I don’t have that feeling with you. I’m sorry. I really don’t feel anything towards you. I didn’t even know that you liked me when we were drinking tea. You didn’t really show any interest in me, so I thought you weren't interested in me. Most guys would be really enthusiastic and showing lots of affection.
Me: Well, that’s just how I am. Sometimes I don’t show my affection.
I'm actually a very affectionate guy, but I'd been exercising self-control intentionally, knowing that most Chinese guys (from what I've observed) cannot control themselves around a girl. Had I shown any affection at the café, she would have put me in the same basket as them, and there's no way I would have even gotten her to my place. That’s the crux of Elon’s game and why it works—keeping things ambiguous to pave the way to the bedroom, smoothing things for plausible deniability, at the expense of facing potentially more LMR in the bedroom.
Anyway, at this point, I picked her up and took her over to the bed. She protested again.
Her: We are definitely not having sex. I am not having sex with you.
Me: That’s fine. I wouldn’t do anything you’re not comfortable with.
We made out again. Then she pulled away.
Her: I’m not having sex with you on the first date. We only just... you know. I’ve only had one boyfriend. I’ve only been with one guy.
Me: That’s fine. I don’t want to do anything you’re uncomfortable with. We don’t have to have sex. I’m just enjoying this time with you.
Anyway, the back-and-forth went on like this until eventually, I had her top off and was sucking her beautiful Kazakh breasts.
As I took off her bra, she said:
Her: I really don’t want to have sex. I don’t. I’m not an easy girl. I’m sorry.
Me: What do you mean, easy girl?
Her: I don’t want to be judged by society for sleeping with guys easily.
Then I spun a somewhat improvised version of the sex is unfair gambit—explained how the idea of an "easy" girl is a bullshit concept, because women are judged for things men aren’t judged for.
But the verbal resistance I got from her continued. It was like she really wanted to debate me on this stuff. Which was extra tough for me, because it was in Chinese—obviously not my native tongue.
We switched around a few positions. I had my hand down the back of her pants, my long fingers reaching her vagina—the one advantage to being super tall. I was definitely turning her on. Slowly, bit by bit, I was getting somewhere. I tried to take off her pants. Again, resistance.
“No, don’t take them off. That’s enough.”
I stopped, went back to kissing her neck.
Then I said, “I just want to take them off so I can feel your skin.” And she willingly took them off.
Then we were grinding in our underwear. I reached around and rubbed her pussy, which was very wet.
I got her panties off. Then I grabbed a condom.
Her: No, we’re not having sex. You can just use your fingers.
Me: I’d much rather use my dick. That will make you feel way better. And I want to make you feel good.
Then I got to the final phase of her LMR—one of the strangest requests I've ever had. She wanted to know that I had no sexual diseases. I laughed and told her no girl had ever asked me that.
I guess it was a token request—a way for her to allow herself to have sex. She needed some kind of qualification for me to meet in her mind.
Anyway, I dug through my inbox for an old STI test certificate from like 3 years ago and showed it to her, holding my thumb over the date. She accepted it.
Then FINALLY we had sex, and thereafter she turned into a sweet, affectionate pussy cat (I swear, seducing girls feels like taming Pokemon sometimes).
This girl was incredibly strong-willed, very fiery, domineering. And honestly, it really threw me off because, firstly, living in Asia, most Asian girls are soft and submissive. And soft and submissive is really my type. But this girl had a very sharp tongue and really tested the hell out of me. Maybe it’s the Kazakh blood?
She was the most difficult—but also the hottest—girl I’ve fucked in China so far.
Some Reflections
It’s been a pretty wild two weeks in China. I’ve gone from having no idea what I was doing to, honestly, some of my best seductions I’ve performed in recent memory.
Part of it is I think I've finally figured out a system that works for me. The advantage of a country like China, where social conditioning is very strong and the thought patterns very uniform, is that I believe a single game formula applies for most Chinese girls. Once you figure that out, seduction becomes much more straightforward.
Improvements to Make
- The way I approach girls, the balance between showing interest and disinterest, the texting (which I alternate with voice messages now) the pull technique, the escalation—it's all working very smoothly here, like a well-oiled machine. However there are definitely weaknesses in my game that are contributing to the LMR and flaking. I probably need to inject a little bit more sexual prizing and comfort building. I should go back and revise the key Sex Talk Gambits so that they're fresh in my mind (if I don't do that, I just can't recall them or improvise them when I need them).
- There are still some girls here who just straight up reject me because I believe I don't fit their social frame (I don't seem enough like the kind of guy she could fuck). This is something I want to overcome. I'll need to experiment more with different fashion styles, indirect vs direct approach, and eastern vs western style game.
Today's my last day in China, and I'm leaving with one heck of a reference point. This might very well be some of the most intense LMR I've ever faced. I had to really trust the process with this one.
Met this girl two days ago outside a large shopping mall in the early evening. Very standard daygame cold approach - a simple non-looks-based compliment on her style/fashion. Our interaction was very brief - only about two minutes. I suggested milk tea another day to get to know each other, she agreed, then I added her WeChat.
Texting was minimal. Didn't sense any particularly strong interest on her part, but when I suggested that milk tea, she complied, and so we met up at 2pm today.
I almost didn't recognize her when I saw her again. Dressed in a tight low-cut top and baggy pants, her style was definitely very Chinese, but her face was not. As it turned out, she is a Kazakh ethnic minority from Xinjiang province in the far north west of China. A 23-year-old graduate student who recently moved to Wuhan.
We grabbed some bubble tea, then sat at Starbucks.
In contrast to the 19-year-old Shanghai girl I had seduced a few days prior who barely asked me anything, this girl was much more active in asking me questions. In fact, it made the deep diving a bit of a challenge because I had to turn the questions around on her.
I've been borrowing bits and pieces from the game style of Elon, this YouTuber/daygame coach, who I think has a very efficient method for seducing Chinese girls. He doesn't show very overt interest in the girls he's with. In fact, he hardly even uses physical touch. But he gets them chasing—it's essentially chase framing through the use of social frame and showing mild disinterest. I find it's very effective (although it probably did contribute to the LMR I faced with this girl, as you'll see later).
She was turned towards me and asking me questions, while I kept my body language pointed forward. And while I was listening to everything, I would sometimes make my responses quite brief and just nod, then take a sip of my drink and look at something nearby, as if she’d said something that wasn’t particularly interesting. I didn't even do this intentionally, but I've found it a very comfortable way to game girls - basically just dialling the enthusiasm down. It's low-effort and it sets a good chase frame.
At one point, she asked me about my dating history. I gave her a curt answer—that I'd been single for over a year—and then asked her the same. As it turned out, she had just broken up with her one and only boyfriend, who was from Tajikistan.
After our drinks, I suggested we go for a walk. We decided to explore a temple across the road that neither of us had been to before. Not normally a place I would take a girl on a date, but I genuinely wanted to check it out. To be honest, I wasn’t actually expecting to pull this girl—it was two o’clock in the afternoon, and I had another date lined up later. But at this point, my seduction sense was tingling—I could sense the pull was there with this girl. Thankfully, my other date canceled, so I could pursue this one with peace of mind.
The temple was quite enjoyable. It was a sunny day and there was a gentle breeze, and we continued our conversations and banter as we walked up the steps. I didn’t use much physical touch other than occasionally touching her back when crossing a road or something.
I deep dived her a lot on her life back home in Xinjiang—her childhood, Kazakh culture. I was genuinely interested, and I think that showed. @Teevster mentioned just today, in another thread discussing Spanish women, that one can gain great rapport with a girl simply by being curious and asking about her culture and social norms—even if you know nothing about it. I had this in mind.
After strolling the temple—by now we were around two hours into the date—I could sense that the conversation threads were drying up and we were both getting a bit tired. So it was time to pull the trigger. She mentioned she was a bit hungry, so I suggested we go get some noodles at a place nearby, which was also very close to where I was staying.
On the way to the noodle shop, we didn’t talk much. I think all the conversation was pretty much exhausted. This is a dangerous point—if you don’t pull when things get boring, you risk losing the seduction completely.
After the noodles, I suggested yogurt. We went to the convenience store. Then I did the same pull routine as last time: "I need to send a document on my computer. Let's go upstairs for a minute, then we can keep walking." Obviously, I knew she was tired and didn’t want to walk anymore, so we weren’t going to go anywhere.
We got into my room, and I let her settle in while I busied myself on the computer to "send my document" (i.e. read Skilled Seducer forum).
After 10 minutes or so, I brought my laptop over to the couch where she was sitting to show her some photos from back home, which I’d mentioned to her earlier. As music played and I showed her the photos, and we talked about my home country, I put my arm around her. And I got my first stage of resistance. It was very stiff.
Her: No, please don’t do that. I’m not comfortable.
Me: Why?
Her: We only just met. This is too awkward, so please don’t touch me.
Me: Well... it’s not about the amount of time you spend together. It’s about the feeling.
Her: No, no, no. That's NOT how it is in Chinese culture.
I dropped it, shuffled over, and gave her some space. I showed a little bit of disinterest, which prompted her—of her own accord—to advance things forward to the next stage of her LMR.
Her: Do you do this with lots of girls?
Me: Only when I feel chemistry. If the feeling isn’t there, why would I want to?
After a couple more minutes of comfort building, I did a move that almost never fails—I scooped her up and put her on my lap. Girls really love this for some reason. No matter what resistance you’re facing, you can always pick her up and put her on your lap.
From there, it was much easier. We were closer. Our skin was touching naturally. But I still didn’t escalate too quickly.
But after some time, I picked her up again and moved to a chair by the window, setting her down on my lap again. We looked out the window, and I gave her a very gentle kiss on the lips, which she didn’t resist.
A minute or so later, I kissed her again, but she was still resistant. She stopped.
Her: That’s enough.
Me: You don’t like it?
Her: It’s okay, it’s just... I don’t have that feeling with you. I’m sorry. I really don’t feel anything towards you. I didn’t even know that you liked me when we were drinking tea. You didn’t really show any interest in me, so I thought you weren't interested in me. Most guys would be really enthusiastic and showing lots of affection.
Me: Well, that’s just how I am. Sometimes I don’t show my affection.
I'm actually a very affectionate guy, but I'd been exercising self-control intentionally, knowing that most Chinese guys (from what I've observed) cannot control themselves around a girl. Had I shown any affection at the café, she would have put me in the same basket as them, and there's no way I would have even gotten her to my place. That’s the crux of Elon’s game and why it works—keeping things ambiguous to pave the way to the bedroom, smoothing things for plausible deniability, at the expense of facing potentially more LMR in the bedroom.
Anyway, at this point, I picked her up and took her over to the bed. She protested again.
Her: We are definitely not having sex. I am not having sex with you.
Me: That’s fine. I wouldn’t do anything you’re not comfortable with.
We made out again. Then she pulled away.
Her: I’m not having sex with you on the first date. We only just... you know. I’ve only had one boyfriend. I’ve only been with one guy.
Me: That’s fine. I don’t want to do anything you’re uncomfortable with. We don’t have to have sex. I’m just enjoying this time with you.
Anyway, the back-and-forth went on like this until eventually, I had her top off and was sucking her beautiful Kazakh breasts.
As I took off her bra, she said:
Her: I really don’t want to have sex. I don’t. I’m not an easy girl. I’m sorry.
Me: What do you mean, easy girl?
Her: I don’t want to be judged by society for sleeping with guys easily.
Then I spun a somewhat improvised version of the sex is unfair gambit—explained how the idea of an "easy" girl is a bullshit concept, because women are judged for things men aren’t judged for.
But the verbal resistance I got from her continued. It was like she really wanted to debate me on this stuff. Which was extra tough for me, because it was in Chinese—obviously not my native tongue.
We switched around a few positions. I had my hand down the back of her pants, my long fingers reaching her vagina—the one advantage to being super tall. I was definitely turning her on. Slowly, bit by bit, I was getting somewhere. I tried to take off her pants. Again, resistance.
“No, don’t take them off. That’s enough.”
I stopped, went back to kissing her neck.
Then I said, “I just want to take them off so I can feel your skin.” And she willingly took them off.
Then we were grinding in our underwear. I reached around and rubbed her pussy, which was very wet.
I got her panties off. Then I grabbed a condom.
Her: No, we’re not having sex. You can just use your fingers.
Me: I’d much rather use my dick. That will make you feel way better. And I want to make you feel good.
Then I got to the final phase of her LMR—one of the strangest requests I've ever had. She wanted to know that I had no sexual diseases. I laughed and told her no girl had ever asked me that.
I guess it was a token request—a way for her to allow herself to have sex. She needed some kind of qualification for me to meet in her mind.
Anyway, I dug through my inbox for an old STI test certificate from like 3 years ago and showed it to her, holding my thumb over the date. She accepted it.
Then FINALLY we had sex, and thereafter she turned into a sweet, affectionate pussy cat (I swear, seducing girls feels like taming Pokemon sometimes).
This girl was incredibly strong-willed, very fiery, domineering. And honestly, it really threw me off because, firstly, living in Asia, most Asian girls are soft and submissive. And soft and submissive is really my type. But this girl had a very sharp tongue and really tested the hell out of me. Maybe it’s the Kazakh blood?
She was the most difficult—but also the hottest—girl I’ve fucked in China so far.
Some Reflections
It’s been a pretty wild two weeks in China. I’ve gone from having no idea what I was doing to, honestly, some of my best seductions I’ve performed in recent memory.
Part of it is I think I've finally figured out a system that works for me. The advantage of a country like China, where social conditioning is very strong and the thought patterns very uniform, is that I believe a single game formula applies for most Chinese girls. Once you figure that out, seduction becomes much more straightforward.
Improvements to Make
- The way I approach girls, the balance between showing interest and disinterest, the texting (which I alternate with voice messages now) the pull technique, the escalation—it's all working very smoothly here, like a well-oiled machine. However there are definitely weaknesses in my game that are contributing to the LMR and flaking. I probably need to inject a little bit more sexual prizing and comfort building. I should go back and revise the key Sex Talk Gambits so that they're fresh in my mind (if I don't do that, I just can't recall them or improvise them when I need them).
- There are still some girls here who just straight up reject me because I believe I don't fit their social frame (I don't seem enough like the kind of guy she could fuck). This is something I want to overcome. I'll need to experiment more with different fashion styles, indirect vs direct approach, and eastern vs western style game.
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