The case for online dating as being the best way to meet women.

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

A while ago I asked a question saying which nets you the hottest girls or has you punching above your weight class, the consensus was that it goes like this:

1. Social circle
2. Daygame
3. Nightgame
4. Online dating

But I want to challenge this whole notion of online game being a bad way to meet women.

I think of all of the options, online game is the most convenient. I think of all the options, people were harsh on online game. I've had the most success with meeting women online and I feel that the reason most men fail is because they lack good photos and awareness of what makes a nice photo and profile. Here is the other reason I think online dating is better than it gets credit for.

I've had success and got with hot girls through all methods but I felt that some were way harder than others, way too hard.

1. Social circle game is tough if you did not grow up with it. People tend to be a little more defensive and reserved with guys going after their women and unless you do some high-status shit or are linked to nightlife, it is tough to get social circle going to where you can meet hot girls from it. I have had some luck through alumni events and photography hobby but it took over a year for it to get to that point. Most guys do not have that kind of time and dedication to invest to social circle game.

2. Night game I feel like is a total crapshoot, from my experience, most people these days go out in large groups and girls are very defensive from random guys approaching them. Then to that, you add deafening loud music and everyone is deep into their cliques, it is a crapshoot. Chances you find two girls or a girl by herself who is hot? Zero. Most of the time you deal with large social circles of cockblockers and plus there is the hazard of fighting and drama with alcohol involved.

3. Daygame is suggested as a godsend, I am up in the air about it. The problem here is that it just seems awkward to go direct on a busy street and very awkward to do it these days. You read stories of PUAs in Scotland being arrested for that kind of shit and then the culture we are in, you are playing a push pull game of direct and indirect with it. I am going to plead the fifth on this one due to the fact that I never tried it hard or gave it my all. I have actually had success with it but at the start, it was way tougher than online.

But I leave it to the forum and this time I post a poll as well.

 

[Pitcher]

Online dating is like believing Hi-C is juice and drinking it to get your daily 100% of Vitamin C. Yeah it’s probably better than dying of scurvy, but it’s not like peeling an actual orange and eating it all.

Social circle, day game, and night game are all equal in my mind. Depends on your lifestyle and who you are for what is best for you.

I’ve been bouncing around living in new countries every 6 months, chasing summer, pursuing a career in my sport. Social circle isn’t ideal for me.

On the other hand, I reckon I see way more beauties on the streets, public transportation, shops, etc. than most of the other guys here. It’s uncanny how they pop up out of nowhere when I am on my grind/hero’s journey. The law of attraction.

 

[Henrik]

I've used online game extensively and I got good with girls from online game, but I've now stopped using it.

If you've got good photos and a good profile, online game can be a very low effort way to meet lots of women. If you get good, you can set up dates/sex multiple times a day every day, without spending much time. The quality of the girls is lower than what you can get from the other kinds of game because it's a dating market that heavily favors women.

I stopped using online game because it leaves you with an incomplete girl getting skill set and I've changed to focus on quality instead of quantity. Online game is good to get a lot of experience really fast and even though the girls are lower quality, there's still a lot of fairly good looking girls you can get with.

 

[Space]

A while ago I asked a question saying which nets you the hottest girls or has you punching above your weight class, the consensus was that it goes like this:

1. Social circle
2. Daygame
3. Nightgame
4. Online dating

I just watched this the other day: How To Get A Girlfriend - The Ultimate Guide For Landing A Hot Girlfriend. Though the title says girlfriend, girlfriend or friend with benefits is practically the same as far as the avenues go. The 4 main avenues, according to the video:

1. Social circle
2. Online dating
3. Cold approach
4. Public visibility

This is the basic logical breakdown. That these are the main avenues? Why he distinguishes these 4 while not distinguishing day game and night game you ask? I get that. Because when you go to a bar during happy hours time is it day game or night game? Approaching a party girl in the evening on the street even if it's not in front of the club, is it day game or night game? You see, the lines get blurry.

I agree the conclusion of the video cold approach being the best. Day and night.

But I want to challenge this whole notion of online game being a bad way to meet women.

I think of all of the options, online game is the most convenient.

Be my guest to challenge me (I'm open to new ideas) but I need a little more convincing.

I need more convincing #1

I need more convincing #2

As far as I understand it takes much more effort and financial investment to nail your photos and be your fashion on top first before you can do anything while with cold approach (day and night) I can get girls interested even in my a bit better than average looking older clothes.

The demonstration

2. Night game I feel like is a total crapshoot, from my experience, most people these days go out in large groups and girls are very defensive from random guys approaching them. Then to that, you add deafening loud music and everyone is deep into their cliques, it is a crapshoot. Chances you find two girls or a girl by herself who is hot?

Wait a minute! I bet you are talking about only about your city, your venues and your days of the week for going out, right? I had the impression that you wanted to travel and broaden your mind to realize that your reality and circumstances do not necessarily apply to how people live in other parts of the world, right?

OK, your chances for finding a solo girl is somewhat less likely here as they aren't so Americanized to feel like going out alone. But two girlfriends? Definitely. My favorite setup. Is when one likes you and her girlfriend is facilitating the two of you to hook up.

I've been wanting to share the top nightlife spots in NYC (and it sure as fuck are not the ones that everyone says they are) but I feel like if I put them up to the public, it will become easily visible to everyone and you'll get a bunch of creeps and chodes there not doing the vibe any justice.

You wrote this not so long ago. Is this idea of your cancelled as well then? Officially night life in New Your sucks from now on?

3. Daygame is suggested as a godsend, I am up in the air about it. The problem here is that it just seems awkward to go direct on a busy street and very awkward to do it these days.

New York is definitely one of the biggest busiest cities in the world so it must be crowded I imagine. My city with a million people in Europe is definitely less crowded but again, you wanted to travel to broaden your mind and find that most cities around the world aren't New York level crowded, didn't you?

Coincidentally I've recently been introduced to the seduction scene in New York (online). I'd love to meet these guys as their teaching style seems to be what mostly resonates with me out of all the coaches out there.

I just moved to NYC about 3 months ago, found some pretty cool spots, and met some pretty cool girls. This is a great city to go out and meet women, but after a while it is kind of draining to go out by yourself. I'm attending NYU for my masters here, and am looking for anyone that's up to go out, meet some women, or just shoot the shit. I'm moving to the lower east side/ east village in a month. People have a really hectic life here, and while it is not much of a challenge to meet women (they are so many cute/single NYU girls it's not even funny), it is always more fun with a buddy to trade notes and pointers. So shoot me back a message if anyone is up for it!

New forum member have a totally different experience in New York compared to yours.

You read stories of PUAs in Scotland being arrested for that kind of shit

Now regarding this individual in your subject line, Adnan Ahmed. Maybe you haven't done your homework about him (or at least it didn't turn out from your text if you did), but according to my secondary sources (sources of our liking if you will, obviously I wasn't able to check out his YouTube as a primary source), he in particular is far from being an impeccable role model of seducers. Very far from it.

Some more context and a polite hint that this guy probably wasn't 100% innocent. At least from the information I was able to gather. Have the Street Attraction guys been arrested whom the BBC exposed in their "documentary"? No, as they didn't do anything against the law. That's the difference here.

 

[naturalmikey]

The hottest chicks I’ve got were mostly from nightgame. Online dating is a close second. Daygame is a distant third. I do have a promoter friend and have pulled from clubs he promotes for which makes it kind of social circle.

It depends on what you’ve got. If you’ve got a lot of status social circle is where it’s at. If you’ve got good game cold approach. If you’ve got looks online. I’ve got a combination of looks and game. So I do well online and at cold approach. Cold approach is the best considering you can really leverage your status through game. Looks obviously help with all three. I’m talking more about the most important factor. I’ve seen really good looking guys who do far better online than at cold approach. That is relying 100% on looks and an indicator that your game is sub par.

The problem with being good looking and having bad game is it’s terribly incongruent and you just seem weird.

 

[Tony D]

Online game depends a lot on your perceived value, rather than actual talents, or charms. For example, being 5'7" and 41 years old, I don't do so well in Canada with online game. Now drop me in a poor country and I'm a rich white foreigner... boom I'm being flooded with matches.

Social circle relies on having a social circle with a lot of attractive women already in it, or on the periphery. If your scene is college this can be great. But if you're an engineer and all your circle are other single dudes... not so good.

Night is all about your tenacity and willingness to stay out very late, and surround yourself with party people. I've not seen any guys get good at this unless they really enjoy partying. I used to when I was younger but not so much now.

Daygame is only awkward if you tell yourself it is. For myself, there's nothing at all awkward about it, and it's my preferred method of meeting women.

 

[Carousel]

Online game is good if you are good-looking or very photogenic. Then it may actually be better than any other kind of game in terms of quality: I have such a friend who is almost only laying 8+ through Tinder. So yeah, this depends on your advantages.

 

[Grand Pooba]

Online game is fantastic for volume, conveniently. However, it leaves you devoid of one of the most important skillsets for game as a whole - and that skillset is approaching, opening, and hooking women. Simply put, the apps do this for you without any facetime - and this is easily the biggest reason that guys whom are good at online game find it really hard when they try day game cold approach.

I've used online game extensively and I got good with girls from online game, but I've now stopped using it.

If you've got good photos and a good profile, online game can be a very low effort way to meet lots of women. If you get good, you can set up dates/sex multiple times a day every day, without spending much time. The quality of the girls is lower than what you can get from the other kinds of game because it's a dating market that heavily favors women.

I stopped using online game because it leaves you with an incomplete girl getting skill set and I've changed to focus on quality instead of quantity. Online game is good to get a lot of experience really fast and even though the girls are lower quality, there's still a lot of fairly good looking girls you can get with.

I agree with everything here above.

 

[Carousel]

2. Night game I feel like is a total crapshoot, from my experience, most people these days go out in large groups and girls are very defensive from random guys approaching them. Then to that, you add deafening loud music and everyone is deep into their cliques, it is a crapshoot. Chances you find two girls or a girl by herself who is hot? Zero. Most of the time you deal with large social circles of cockblockers and plus there is the hazard of fighting and drama with alcohol involved.

You can't just pop into a random venue and expect it to be optimal. I have discussed this with Alek and mid-size cities (500 K - 1 M people) tend to have only 2-3 GOOD venues for nightgame where the design of the club is so that you will have quieter areas, groups won't just stick together and there are at least some hot chics etc. You have to just be on the lookout for such places. I personally don't get cockblocked much and I usually find some good sets during the night. Also I am a tall guy lifting weights and have done Judo classes for some years. This will cause most guys to "moderate" themselves unless you go to some real gangster place.

3. Daygame is suggested as a godsend, I am up in the air about it. The problem here is that it just seems awkward to go direct on a busy street and very awkward to do it these days. You read stories of PUAs in Scotland being arrested for that kind of shit and then the culture we are in, you are playing a push pull game of direct and indirect with it. I am going to plead the fifth on this one due to the fact that I never tried it hard or gave it my all. I have actually had success with it but at the start, it was way tougher than online.

Well look at WHO got arrested. To me that guy seemed to be rather uncalibrated and it would not surprise me if he actually had been acting in a way that could be perceived as threatening. I don't know this for sure as I haven't seen the court documents but there are plenty of cases with rape accusations etc in nightgame where the PUA actually did something highly risky or even obviously illegal. So I would not worry about this if you have a modicum of social intelligence, which I guess you have

 

[Space]

Night is all about your tenacity and willingness to stay out very late, and surround yourself with party people.

I just watched this the other day: How To Get A Girlfriend - The Ultimate Guide For Landing A Hot Girlfriend. Though the title says girlfriend, girlfriend or friend with benefits is practically the same as far as the avenues go. The 4 main avenues, according to the video:

1. Social circle
2. Online dating
3. Cold approach
4. Public visibility

This is the basic logical breakdown. That these are the main avenues? Why he distinguishes these 4 while not distinguishing day game and night game you ask? I get that. Because when you go to a bar during happy hours time is it day game or night game? Approaching a party girl in the evening on the street even if it's not in front of the club, is it day game or night game? You see, the lines get blurry.

The club is full of "right" girls. Pretty much every healthy, well-adjusted girl goes to bars and clubs. She's not necessarily a regular patron, but she'll go at least a couple times a year for birthdays, parties, vacations, bachelorettes, etc. The idea that only whores or low quality girls are found in clubs is a myth.

Leo's (the speaker in the video) answer to a question someone asked in the comments under the video. This is my experience too.

I've not seen any guys get good at this unless they really enjoy partying.

Though I haven't personally tried it, I find it entirely possible. Hell, why not? You just have to find the right girl who resonates with your vibe. Check out this hilariously funny interview of Chris/Social Prime by JMULV where they are discussing exactly this topic!

I wrote in the Can you get girls while kind of hating your life? topic.

I tell you my experience. My nightlife background. I was at this club with the shittiest kind of music from my description but it was an open air place in the summer with the younger, mixed crowd. The place was fully packed. Girls go to clubs to be seen and feel beautiful, right? If it's fully packed that you can't move there's not much place left to be seen, right? Unwanted guys hitting on you all the time can be a negative experience, right? You don't find your friends you wanted to have a fun night with because they are everywhere can be frustrating, right?

This really nice girl was sitting on the site. I'm not the fan of the 10 scale or any scale, I guess the only use of a 10 scale is to gauge girls who are supposed to be "high value", "out of your league", or other guys' type, not yours. Anyway, she was that girl. I introduced myself and asked how she was feeling herself in this place. She resonated with me as she said this place sucks and the music sucks.

So if you are in a place and you feel yourself good and the girl has the same vibe it's a match. But if you don't feel yourself good in a place you can similarly match with a girl who doesn't feel herself good there either similarly to you, why not? I suspect there are plenty of people in clubs who don't feel themselves well in that particular night for any of the reasons I mentioned. We are humans. Sometimes feel good, sometimes we feel bad.

The hottest chicks I’ve got were mostly from nightgame.

It's interesting. Though I don't call girls hot, only nice, cute, very nice, very cute, sweet, things like that, I haven't found any difference in the level of attraction to the girls I meet during the day or during night.

Plus u gotta think Sluts go shopping too ; )

You got to think!

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The issue I have with nightgame is that I cannot handle bars anymore as well as I used to. Go to some to find sinks have vomit in them, DEAR GOD! DX

 

[naturalmikey]

The issue I have with nightgame is that I cannot handle bars anymore as well as I used to. Go to some to find sinks have vomit in them, DEAR GOD! DX

If your only intention is hooking up there’s no point in going out until an hour before closing. When I was going out 4-5 times per week I would often sleep between 8-midnight. Then have a few drinks at home then hit the bar from 12:30-2. That way even if I was up fucking until 4 or so I still got sleep earlier. The only nights I usually pull early are sundays and Mondays. Sunday early evening pulls are not uncommon at least here in la where brunch is Better than any week night. Monday’s people just usually party early.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

If your only intention is hooking up there’s no point in going out until an hour before closing. When I was going out 4-5 times per week I would often sleep between 8-midnight. Then have a few drinks at home then hit the bar from 12:30-2. That way even if I was up fucking until 4 or so I still got sleep earlier. The only nights I usually pull early are sundays and Mondays. Sunday early evening pulls are not uncommon at least here in la where brunch is Better than any week night. Monday’s people just usually party early.

So right! I have had way more luck pulling on weekdays than weekends but the issue is I have to be up earlier until at least March 2020 due to work, have to be at the office by 8 AM.