The different types of Alphas

[Skills]

I will make a long post more practical on something not discuss on fluidity of alphas which i believe is something i have not read or seen discussed before.... I brought this up cause i think that was the main disagreement of seeing things in this post....

Ok guys so the different types of alphas i discover from 2 dudes when i joined nextast once was blackdragon and the other one was teevester/tva_oslo back in the day...

Here is the blackdragon definition:

"Alpha – Generic term for Alpha Male. There are two kinds, 1.0 and 2.0. Both types are the opposite of an AFC or a beta. (In my writings I capitalize Alpha, I do not capitalize beta. I do this on purpose.)

Alpha Male 1.0 – The usual type of Alpha Male most people are familiar with. A man with all the characteristics of an Alpha Male 2.0, but who is not outcome independent. The Alpha 1.0 is a strong, usually successful, confident man who can get women, but who also often and quickly gets upset and offended when a woman* he wants rejects him or doesn’t act in accordance with his desires.

Alpha Male 2.0 – An extremely confident, non-needy, outcome independent man who can quickly and easily get sex and love from women* whenever he wants without having to promise anything to anyone. A man who does what he wants, whenever we wants, regardless of what other people want for him or tell him."

After women i put an asteric * cause is not only women but PEOPLE....


^ if i remember correctly (it has been so many years, he used to called alpha male 1.0 territorial alpha.- Now I found that blackdragon don't know if well meaning or not, i am not going to speculate, but it kind of personally rub me the wrong way in his definition and i saw a bit of projecting and posturing.... But putting that aside I found a lot of value in what i teach and learned from teevester which is the definition i like better when it comes to alpha for seduction goal:

"Women are seeking two types of mates – call it different providers. Consider sex being a trade, what you are trading for the sex defines what kind of provider you are. The men women are seeking who are confident, independent, attractive having a lot of women chasing them are called “sex providers” – this is the man women finds sexually attractive – the man who women would like to have sex just for the sake of having sex. These men are often behaving sexually toward women, making themselves being perceived as sexual beings – sex providers. This type of men is usually called “alpha males” or “lovers” in community lingo. Important to point out, these men are trading sex for sex. However, these are a minority – whereas the majority of men are providers of anything else of women’s needs such as social value, material goods, emotional support and so on. These men will trade something else than sex in for having sex with a woman. As a matter of fact this type of providers tend to get sex from being in relationships with women."


Ok now all of this is just for learning purposes from both teachers, though again i find a bit of undercover posturing in the bd definition and projections... But ignoring that this is what i have been during my seduction journey from the different types and what i recommend you guys is don't get caught in being pragmatic with definition, use knowladge to use for your own benefit and power...

Now there is a 3rd type is similar to alpha 2.0 is called the sigma male

"sigma male
The outsider who doesn't play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. I've found that sigmas and Alphas usually work out to be excellent friends because the Alpha never feels that his social dominance is threatened by the sigma. The Sigmais an alpha-like character that the Alpha can connect with, but never fear his own status being undone. Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, (but will not be slave to any agenda the may have such as betatization or marriage and the likes, my own edit of the quote). They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules. Sample are james bond, Braun(game of thrones), jason Borne (borne identity)... From forums in this one maybe wm, topcat, dww, tominho, cody lyons, ijjji, pob."


^ skills get to the point please.... I started as a macho latin dude what bd calls alpha 1.0 after living as alpha 1.0 due meanly to societal programming little by little i became a sigma (this was naturally not reading books or anything it was just a gradual process)... I will quote my article from nextasf at the end so i don't want to make this too long if you want to read it...

But a big but when it comes to seduction and relationships with women and people my big OH SHIT MOMENT, is that there is FLUIDITY in going back and forth depending on the situation and scenario vs being DOGMATIC.... analogy time, people used to have wars on relationship styles and i found it silly.... For example i found being poly on fucking around sargin stages is better than mono for obvious reasons.... I found that celibacy can be good post long term break up in some cases, i found going mono could be beneficial in (project focus faces or family rearing).... I found cheating model works for certain guys in certain situations etc....

^ my point is being back and forth in the fluidity of alpha types is actually beneficial let me explain:

I found beneficial to be alpha 1.0 in certain situations for example: - teaching martial arts - when i have new unproven employees (you need a bit of micro management till proven and minimal mistakes in my experience)... When you are in a mono(gf/wife) or poly living in main relationship this could work when (after multiple times addressing and issue the girl does not get it, my rule is 3 times).... In the forum for example dealing with lower rank students kj etc.. Usually also in some leadership roles you have no choice.... In other word the controlling, dominating aspect, the boundary setting etc... Talking about boundaries when is CLEAR BREAKING OF BOUNDARIES... Example is tate.... A forum sample of this is actually i behave alpha 1.0 when in forums dealing with most, BUT i behave sigma when dealing with mods or dealing with tribal elders.... Chase is always behaving for example sigma in forums, but chase is alpha 1.0 in relationships, chase can go alpha 1.0 when someone gets banned or out of control... Cosy/cody lyons for example was always sigma...


I found being sigma/alpha 2.0 works better in this situations for example:

- during vetting periods and dating multiple women.-
- when you are employees/students are proven already and you can give them longer leash or no leash
- when you have a main (Cause in the vetting periods she was able to open up to you due MAINLY OF NO JUDGMENTAL SIGMA ATTITUDE and you found out no history of cheating
- dealing with higher ranks such as police and bosses (as long as no boundary crossing)

I am personally most of my life sigma unless i am in position of power in charge of people i don't know, in forums when no dealing with mods or tribal elders, with my mains, in clubs i am totally sigma...

when i am alpha 1.0.- When my boundaries have been crossed after trying not to get there, in leadership positions, in chat i run, in forums with lower levels, newer unproven employees, when main has crossed boundaries (rarely ever but sometimes i do have to bring hammer down, in my case once every 3 to 6 months)...


Now i will show you illustrations of 2 scenarios on how the sigma and the alpha 1.0 solve issues, i believe both can work... Though again i heavily favor more of a sigma lifestyle and just using the % of alpha 1.0 when is absolutely require such as a break on boundaries, here is the main problem that i also this cover due to this comment by karea:

"Again - if you wouldn't let another guy work your target, a girl you just met, why would you sit back and just watch as he works your own GF? Makes no sense."

^ actually i will make a separate post on this, off topic on why i have field tested and i believe lofty did it too in his journal, how there is a way to make this work in your advantage eventually i will make a post on that technique)... though i have talk about this to nausea:

Now here is something that may happened here, she may act like she is not into you and kind of dance away like if she was not with you, and try to get OTHER MALE ATTENTION TO GET OPEN. Yes, women do this 50% of the time, it is what in the community we call “shit test” she is testing to see if you are man, congruent and to see if you give a fuck. When she does this, act normal, dance by yourself or open other girls (make sure those are girls that will not reject you). She will usually come back, make sure she does not see that you are being reactive to her dancing with other dudes, get jealous or giving a fuck. Another thing you can do is to act really exited that she is with the other dude, even push the dude to dance closer to her and more sexual. Usually what happens here, is that the other dude is going to get really exited,invested in her, try to seduce her and fuck it all up. At this point they always comes back.

^ for a sigma guy this is not a break in boundaries, sigma does not mind.... So there may be a difference in the boundaries breaking believes sigma vs alpha (this is also what i believe is much harder for a boundary to be cross for a sigma)

Now i will give a video sample of sigma (is a bit ridiculous but in the video Al does not give a shit the wife is with another dude, and she knows it, i swear to god that is me in most of my relationships and that is how women act, they know too)

now acting alpha in certain situations like cross boundaries also works, here is a good sample:

Alright guys, this is a post i made back in 2018 related from nextasf:

My greatest 2018 epiphanies the sigma male​

First, what is an Epiphany:


Today "epiphany" carries a range of meanings, including "an intuitive grasp of reality," "an illuminating discovery, realization, disclosure, or insight," or simply "a revealing scene or moment." My definition of an epiphany is "a moment of sudden or great revelation that usually changes you in some way."
I like to do at the end of the year a post about my year epiphanies(we never stop learning), so let me get them out of the way:

-No matter how old you are as long as you remain attractive you will always be able to game
- I don't think i can ever go mono and monogamy is truly a waste of time now a days...
- if you are not doing online dating and social media as a way to get laid you are a fool in 2018.(though sigmas don't usually participate in social media)
- Maca POWDER is an amazing supplement.
-trt(testosterone replacement therapy) could be an option for older guys (I am still undecided but may do it, still researching)
- Whatever workout you are doing should have this compound movements to maximize results: squads, chin ups, dead lift, bench press, standing press(shoulders).
- The 3 bounce method is a game changer to get laid if you master it.
- Edit.- for acne/pimples L-lysine 1000 mg once a day (may affect dick performance read logic and reason comments)
-me too movement has had 0 impact on my life.
- understanding second generation verbal concept is extremely important and will sky rocket any game style or form that you use.(independent of style)
- based on this calculation i have 0 competition in my age group: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/m...verage_or.html

my result:
"You've done the deed with more people than basically all of your peers."

And now my greatest epiphany of 2018 is the sigma male (learn about it for the first time from Steve Jabba)


sigma male
The outsider who doesnt play the social game and manage to win at it anyhow. Ive found that sigmas and Alphas usually work out to be excellent friends because the Alpha never feels that his social dominance is threatened by the sigma. The Sigmais an alpha-like character that the Alpha can connect with, but never fear his own status being undone. Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, (but will not be slave to any agenda the may have such as betatization or marriage and the likes, my own edit of the quote). They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules.

• Basically a sigma male is what I have always been deep inside specially as I got older.. In other words I was never a beta, but more of a normal guy (it is extremely difficult from guys from Latin countries to be total beta, though they are tons that become after, specially from my generation)

Then I transition to alpha in mid 20s early 30s, so I own and run my business with employees. I was a territorial alpha in my relationships, etc. But though I am always a very happy guys something was completely off, and since I am HAPPY as a default based line I felt very uncomfortable and uneasy. Something was off.

Little by little through a combination of different events in my life I transition to sigma.

• I never wanted to go out with wings to clubs.
• In seductions forums I did not want to be part of any click or group or crew(including facebook groups and the likes)
• In relationships I did not like the path of being mono and losing freedom, from my cheating relationship model then I evolve to a poly relationship model.
• I did now want to be a capoeira instructor I rather go to someones class and participate.
• I did not want to have employees and in my job subject myself to any type of boss (thought I work for an employer and have my side businesses, my employer ran into dilemma on what to do with a pain in the ass like me, that could not conform or follow orders but was always the top producing guy, this is without working I spent my work ours in the forums just lol). They resolved that by giving me my OWN DEPARTAMENT were I am the manager, technical supervisor and only employee (just lol)
• If you see me at a club I am always alone when I want to, can seduce if I want to, or can choose just to be there and not engage anybody not because I cant like betas but cause I shrug and choose not to.

So basically the sigma has the characteristic and game of the alpha but he is basically an introverted loner, than can adapt and take over any social situation if he chooses too(they move in out social environments,)
Think of Tyler durden, wolverine, the equalizer dude, Jason Bourne etc.
I would also put sexual positive mgtow with game as sigma(but this is my opinion)
So a sigma is basically a dude that does what he wants, when he wants, outsider, LONER/INTROVER, that again has that the ability to influence, outgame and take advantage of social situations an environments.
Sigma as sometimes seen as troublemakers cause they are not willing to be use, but they can exploit circumstances This is a cognitive vs emotional decision like the omega
From the community good example is Steve Jabba, Revlifestyle design
From the forums: ijjji , cobi, cosy (cost of success)

I think most guys will take this path (this is speculation): start at normal baseline, already alpha or beta base line ,then will become alpha (some will remain and become alpha providers), then some will go mgtow, mra, or sigma:

Totally forgot if you want to take a look at a sigma the best sample i found is from the book Fountainhaid by Ayn Rand character Howard Roark

 

[topcat]

Good post

 

[Teevster]

I stopped reading when you cited Blackdragon's bullshit.

There are pretty clear definition of alpha, omega, sigma, beta etc in evolutionary biology. The only one you got right is the sigma male. Rest is BlackDragon's own mental constructions.

-Teevster

 

[Skills]

I stopped reading when you cited Blackdragon's bullshit.

There are pretty clear definition of alpha, omega, sigma, beta etc in evolutionary biology. The only one you got right is the sigma male. Rest is BlackDragon's own mental constructions.

-Teevster

I made that point re read

 

[DoWhatWorks]

Top post - most useful thing I took from this is that different situations need different approaches. I fall into the trap of being 2.0 for almost everything but I'm learning some situations needs 1.0 behavior. Then again though, the fact I'm willing to adjust is sigma within itself lol.

P.S That soprano edit made me want to be a mobster 1.0 for a day lol

 

[POB]

My biggest problem with the 1.0 and 2.0 model is oversimplification.
Yes, it's good for the masses when you want to sell stuff, but it does not define a seducer's journey.

there is FLUIDITY in going back and forth depending on the situation and scenario vs being DOGMATIC.... analogy time, people used to have wars on relationship styles and i found it silly.... For example i found being poly on fucking around sargin stages is better than mono for obvious reasons.... I found that celibacy can be good post long term break up in some cases, i found going mono could be beneficial in (project focus faces or family rearing).... I found cheating model works for certain guys in certain situations etc....

This!!! ^^^

 

[Skills]

My biggest problem with the 1.0 and 2.0 model is oversimplification.
Yes, it's good for the masses when you want to sell stuff, but it does not define a seducer's journey.

This!!! ^^^

the only reason i brought that up is cause most of the guys in the original op argument (kareas post).... That were actually disagreeing with karea are some guys that are or were influence by bd at some point.... (this post is a follow up to the waiter post) for me to illustrate were the disagreements in the points of views come from... and that there are not necessarily right or wrong.... Just seeing things through different lenses...

P.s. I know some posters have bd ptsd, trust me i have some too....but PLEASE CONTEXT....