The future of dating and meeting women in the west.

[Headlines By Drake]

I've been reading up a lot on what's going on in the world and have become borderline conspiracy theorist a bit with things like The Great Reset. One book I read recently that I propose all of you read is The Sovereign Individual. Lately, it's got me thinking about what the future will be like for players, bachelors, and guys who are not tied down but just want to play the field. I was living in NYC during the Pandemic and saw how much the city fell apart in 2020 because of lockdowns. While I did get to meet women through dating apps, I noticed how much of an impact not being able to go out had on me.

I read in the Sovereign Individual how high tax areas and big cities that steal so much taxes away from the reach are going to face a very sharp decline as those rich flee. Even for myself, even though NYC is a great dating market, I cannot see myself going back given not only how tyrannical the government was but how New Yorkers as a whole welcomed mandates and cheered for them. What The Sovereign Individual talked about is how cities will become unsustainable as the rich start to flee due to work being more mobile (remote).

It had me thinking about my goals of continuing to meet new women and up my notch count. In a smaller town and even a smaller city where people get married by 30 to 35, you are the odd one out being a bachelor. In NYC, it never felt like this. I felt like you could be 35, 40, or even well past that and keep it casual.

I hear of many men talk about going to small town life solely to escape government tyranny in the US in the coming years. The rise of remote work has made it all possible too since people do not have to move to city for work anymore.

How will this change where a lot of the good looking women concentrate? How will this change some of the logistics of game? How will things like The Great Reset and all that is incoming impact dating and meeting women?

 

[Chase]

@Headlines By Drake,

Well, keep this in mind: young people aren't rich

New York City already has double the number of women ages 18-24 it does men. Women flood into that city seeking a successful man.

A young guy who's just making his way also isn't rich. So he has no reason to flee NYC for tax purposes.

Further, there is a lot of value to companies in geographical centralization. The top guys can flee the big city to save their pocketbooks, but the middle managers are going to live there if the company tells them they have to live there. If the taxes are too high, the company will just have to pay them more. Or else it will have to settle for whoever it can get desperate enough to live in the big city or climb the corporate ladder to take that job at that pay rate.

Long-term, NYC (and New York State, for that matter) will either need to bring its taxes down or it will face the same flight of companies and wealthy individuals California is undergoing. Short-term, it takes time for these things to change. Decades, at least.

So long as there is a lot of wealth in New York and the city has a reputation as a mega city where all the most successful people congregate, the prettiest girls will also flock there.

If at some point some other city becomes ascendant, you will know about it, because you'll be hearing about it everywhere. At that point, you can relocate there.

You're not going to see a collapse of cities and a broad move out to the countryside anytime soon. For one, the countryside doesn't have the infrastructure to support a mass exodus, and young people need to be in central locations to pursue their mating options. The countryside is for families that are already settled where they aren't searching for mates.

If they keep doing weird dystopian lockdowns in the cities, people will begin to leave in increasingly larger numbers, yes.

However, they seem to have gotten most people in cities fully compliant with masks, vaccines, distancing, etc., and that seems to be the real goal ("get people listening to / following the government again"), so so long as compliance stays high I doubt you'll see too much of the rolling lockdowns it looked like there'd be earlier on. The people deciding these rules want a compliant population, not a fractious / fleeing one.

I hear of many men talk about going to small town life solely to escape government tyranny in the US in the coming years. The rise of remote work has made it all possible too since people do not have to move to city for work anymore.

In the past, men as they aged used to talk about going to small town life to escape the hubbub and bustle of the big city.

Today, men as they age talk about going to small town life to escape government tyranny in the big city.

The age most of these guys talk about this has remained largely the same.

So, while the stated reasons have changed, I suspect the actual total outcomes are not going to be super different, at least not in the short-term.

Chase

 

[Headlines By Drake]

@Chase

I think those numbers you say might be a bit outdated. While NYC at one point had a ton of single women in it, lately, that has somewhat changed due to big tech moving en masse. Tons of guys from California, San Francisco in particular, heard that NYC was a bachelor's paradise and they moved in with their techie jobs. The good news is that these dudes are beyond uncalibrated but they do flood up your normal establishments in the city that used to be great years back. The ratio in the 18-30 range is definitely a lot more even than you may think.

After having lived in the city for quite a few years, I was seeing it happen year by year. Back in 2016 and such, NYC was great. Overtime, that changed, especially with the crowds you saw. You still see stylish Europeans but man, the techies took over in a big way and you saw a lot of guys dressed like they are straight out of Silicon Valley and a lot of women with that San Francisco just got out of bed look.

It was still fun but as soon as the pandemic hit, it changed. I stayed afterwards and saw that a lot of bars had closed after the city had reopened.

Maybe it is my bias too but the proof of vaccination was pushing it. Trying to be impartial though, there was a big enough segment of the young population which was all for the mandates because they thought it would get things back to normal. I was not a fan and hated how people gave in.

A few things have objectively gotten worse in NYC though @Chase

1. Crime is significantly higher
2. Homelessness is worse
3. Mandates have made a big enough chunk of firefighters and cops quit
4. Racial divisions have gotten worse as a result, such as when a black family attacked a waitress for asking for vaccination proof

It is sad to see because NYC gave me the best years of my life but as I think about it now, I almost spit sometimes at the idea of going back. To have to present a proof of vaccination but also to see other naive young people cheer for it while attacking the unvaccinated was too much. I saw the city fall apart during the pandemic, like it was not the NYC I had known. People were more hostile, nightlife even after reopening seemed more dead, and the vibe was not the same as much.

But I do accept my bias here, I didn't get vaccinated and hated having to show a vaccination card to eat indoors.

Now I am in a big city in a red state which has me thinking, could the real winners potentially be the Dallas, Miami, and big cities in red states that do not have totalitarian governments?

I have seen a ton of young New Yorkers flood down south.

 

[Rain]

Well, keep this in mind: young people aren't rich
Women flood into that city seeking a successful man.

Hey @Chase

Just on this, I made a thread here

Whats the difference between cash and wealthy?

In this article Chase writes: Neither are the men loaded with wads of cash and then However... these men have usually been either in very good shape, or were wealthy (or some mix of the two) - and across the board, all of them were intelligent, humorous, and very self-assured. So yeah...

www.skilledseducer.com

Wondered if you could take a quick look over there, to see if I'm conflating two different things or not(eg money/cash/dollars alone, with wealth/success). There are some girlschase article quotes in there to show what I mean.

 

[West_Indian_Archie]

I've been reading up a lot on what's going on in the world and have become borderline conspiracy theorist a bit with things like The Great Reset. One book I read recently that I propose all of you read is The Sovereign Individual. Lately, it's got me thinking about what the future will be like for players, bachelors, and guys who are not tied down but just want to play the field. I was living in NYC during the Pandemic and saw how much the city fell apart in 2020 because of lockdowns. While I did get to meet women through dating apps, I noticed how much of an impact not being able to go out had on me.

I read in the Sovereign Individual how high tax areas and big cities that steal so much taxes away from the reach are going to face a very sharp decline as those rich flee. Even for myself, even though NYC is a great dating market, I cannot see myself going back given not only how tyrannical the government was but how New Yorkers as a whole welcomed mandates and cheered for them. What The Sovereign Individual talked about is how cities will become unsustainable as the rich start to flee due to work being more mobile (remote).

It had me thinking about my goals of continuing to meet new women and up my notch count. In a smaller town and even a smaller city where people get married by 30 to 35, you are the odd one out being a bachelor. In NYC, it never felt like this. I felt like you could be 35, 40, or even well past that and keep it casual.

I hear of many men talk about going to small town life solely to escape government tyranny in the US in the coming years. The rise of remote work has made it all possible too since people do not have to move to city for work anymore.

How will this change where a lot of the good looking women concentrate? How will this change some of the logistics of game? How will things like The Great Reset and all that is incoming impact dating and meeting women?

Sovereign Individual and the rest of the doom and gloom rich guys don't have a handle on the sexual marketplace.

Next 2 years - a return to normalcy, like we went back to normal after 9/11. So this is the new normal.

Next 5 years - more and more girls are graduating with good degrees and getting good jobs in corporate America. But because more girls are going to school, and the crowding out effect in the workplace - there are less and less guys suitable for long term stuff.

Keep in mind, the prime market - 18-22/23-25 - has rarely been marriage minded - but they like to have fun now and get serious at 25/26, to be married at 28-29 and a mom at 30/31. This is already a messed up time table for society, because she needs to pop out at least 2 kids to keep the country growing.

But she is not thinking serious at 21, and by 26 - there's hardly any desirable men left in the aggregate.

Logically, she should recalibrate - BUT - social media, the media, online dating, has her CONVINCED that she'll meet the right guy to get that Instagram lifestyle.

As players and PUAs - that leaves us in a prime position to bang as much as we want - because we understand the new social dynamics of online and offline behavior. But we aren't any better off in terms of looking for a long term either.

For average dudes - since most don't make the money (and the ones that do aren't attractive) - they're going to have to become visually attractive to women. That's a combination of personal looks and online curation.

And that's just to get in the door.

And once he's in the door - he's probably lived 20 years of his life without significant understanding of people. Even less than my generation had....

The future of America, Canada, US, NZ, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, China is that of Korea and Japan. Casual sex galore, but enough resources to keep the society going - because they are no kids growing up to be workers.

WIA

 

[Headlines By Drake]

@West_Indian_Archie

I have a tough time seeing us getting back to normal as easily or even transitioning to the new normal. Compared to other events, the nature of work has changed during the pandemic where remote work has become almost normalized in most major corporations. I also see the younger generation reacting favorably to it.

Past tragic events gave us all a common enemy to unite against as a country and even as western society. The pandemic has made the government and each other the enemy instead. How the government has reacted to this pandemic and the massive drift this has caused in the US between various states is one I have never seen in my life time.

Again, I could be the only one feeling uncomfortable about this, but I'd hate to show my health records over and over again just to go to the gym or to eat inside/run game at a nightclub. Security at airports and extra checkpoints were not as vehemently opposed by the masses as vaccine passports and proof of vaccinations are. Plus, you know they are not just stopping there, we could easily go the way of Israel where you are one missed booster shot away from not being considered vaccinated.

Most all, I want to bring attention to how the nature of work has changed as a result of the pandemic.

People are moving more to mid-sized cities and more peaceful areas in their youth since they no longer see the need to be in San Francisco if you want to work in tech or NYC if you want to do finance (which is an industry failing to attract younger talent now compared to decades ago). It's hard to say that without needing to be in an NYC for job opportunities, that the same amount of talent would enter that city.

Our cities are also falling apart, at least the major ones that house the party scene.

San Francisco in the 90s was livable and a great place, same with the start of this millennium. Now? Needles all over the street, crime skyrocketing, bums chitting everywhere, and a terrible quality of life to where a UN official says it is a human rights violation to even have someone live in that city.

Same with NYC as well as of the past decade, while the city enjoyed a flourishing nightlife and safety, crime has skyrocketed during the pandemic as the wealthy fled in droves.

As for college degrees, we are transitioning to a skills-based economy where they will not be needed.

Many companies, especially in tech, will hire you based on a certification instead of a bachelors. Unless you want to go into banking, high finance, or med/law school, you do not need a bachelors. The value of the college degree is fading more and more as companies see the real value in skills as opposed to a bachelors. I think men will enter the workforce by earning certifications that take a couple of years than sitting in pointless classes for 4 years.

Maybe the winners at the end will be cities that cater to the remote work crowd as opposed to major cities.

In reality, you can have a great nightlife overtime in a lot of places. Throw up a handful of nightclubs and bars, put in people in their 20s and 30s, and loosen up the social atmosphere.

I could be wrong but in the years to come, given how much NYC has declined and how tyrannical the government has become with proof of vaccination, I do not see the city retaining its status for long unless the next mayor focuses on fixing crime than virtue signaling for COVID.