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Garrett

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Hey guys, Garrett here.

So while casually browsing through some of the topics on the board, I came across something that I thought others could benefit from if brought to conscious attention. Like a lot of the posts on Girls Chase, I figured bringing something into awareness could perhaps allow guys to gain more control of their own lives.

Picture this, you're running through your phone and as you glance through the names, there's a few girls that spark your interest. Then you think to yourself, "Hmm... I'm not too thrilled about her, but I enjoy spending time with her every now and then." Okay, maybe you don't really think about it that much, but what I'd like to discuss today is the idea of prospects.

Not to single anyone out, but something that sparked my interest was that people seem to think it's better to date a girl than to be single... Interesting concept. Do you meet up with the girl you aren't crazy about and eventually date her, or find comfort in being on your own and advancing your own personal goals/dreams? Maybe that's a tad biased, but if you're one of these guys, let's break things down into a cost benefit analysis or in other words, a pros and cons list. Feel free to add any additional points if you have any!

Pros

- Someone to spend time with if you haven't got other prospects
- Kills off the needy vibe so when you approach other girls, you won't care as much if it flops
- She can act as a support system, especially if you have no one else around
- Gives you something to do/an escape
- You can collect valuable data points
- It potentially forces you to meet new women if things don't workout because once you're done with them, you have no choice but to restock ;)

Cons

- If you don't handle things appropriately you will lead her on and hurt her
- If you spend too much time with her while dating, you will automatically pass the commitment point
- It's an excuse to not go meet new women
- What's the point if you are't really feeling her?
- Takes away from time that you can be using to improve yourself with other women
- You're basically using her as a platform to boost your confidence

I'm sure there are many more points and this could even be made into a blog post. I just covered some of the more obvious points that I feel one would experience if they were to pursue a girl they weren't particularly keen on. The thing is guys, you have to remember that if you continue to do something day in and day out, it'll eventually become habitual. I understand that a lot of guys may have issues with logistics, me being one of them. I'm 19, live at home with my parents, live in a small town (90,000), all there is is a mall/theatre, and I know a lot of the girls already, I'm studying premed so I dont' have much time to go out, etc.. It's a bit unfortunate, especially if you're like me dying to start the newbie assignment. Once summer hits I'm going to go out, not make excuses, and find some decent spots in some nearby towns/cities. How does this relate? Well if you're like me, then your circumstances aren't optimal for meeting girls, and if you're new to pickup and don't have time for it at the moment due to other goals, you may want to fallback on prospects to improve your understanding with women. Also, society tends to make people feel that it's not okay to be single, and that there is something wrong with us. It's true, that if you've been single for a while, a girl is likely going to assume that something is wrong with you, and that you aren't a quality mate. Fair enough, but it's also important to grow comfortable with the idea of being single, especially if you don't want to be reaching any commitment points anytime soon... ;).

I don't know how to describe this, but lately I've just been feeling really great. Even if a girl has a rockin body and a half decent personality, it's just too much work to try anything with her, so I don't bother. It depends where you're at, because before I used to feel pretty needy. I brokeup with my girlfriend in September after realizing she wasn't doing anything to benefit me. Ever since then, I've been single, have had a makeout session here and there with girls, but nothing over the top. Whenever a half decent girl with a tolerable personality rolled around, I would take advantage of the opportunity. I did gain some great data points, but at the same time, I'd be losing girls due to my needy vibe and would put her on a pedestal *forehead smack*. Here's the thing, most of these prospects bored me because I'd be thinking, "Wow, I just wasted so much time I could be using to study or improve myself. Therefore, I'm going to drop this girl home, I don't have time for this." On the other hand, I really did benefit quite a bit from these opportunities. If I had not taken initiative to meet these girls and try things with them, I would still be engaged in text convos with girls, I'd be getting limited results, and I wouldn't be where I am today. Even though I was religiously reading Girls Chase, my skepticism oftentimes got the better of me, and the concepts from the blog didn't hit home until I made the same mistakes over and over and finally realized why they don't work. I'd talk to girls about sex via facebook chat, I used to text girls day and night, all of which was getting me some great reactions, but not results! Consequently, by spending some time on these girls, it's ultimately saved me a lot of time in the end and you may want to consider learning the hard way if you aren't implementing what Chase says due to skepticism.

***Note, that if you plan to pursue a prospect, make sure you are at least somewhat interested in her, because if you have no interest in a girl even if she's hot with a decent personality, dont' bother. Spend time on girls you're attracted to, there's no point trying on girls who you don't feel much interest in, so don't waste your valuable time with them!

I wouldn't count an Ex as a prospect. As Chase mentions, there's a reason why the 2 of you aren't together anymore, so why go back? If you have girls who you've screwed up with by say, texting too much, looked a bit too needy, I say have a go at them. If you eliminate all of your prospects, you'll eventually have to force yourself to go and meet new women, so keeping girls on the back burner is good as you'll feel you have options, but if you've only met these girls through friends and social circle, and not via cold approach or through a tactic you've been putting off implementing, then bring yourself to scarcity so you force yourself to go meet women the hard way!

Anyways, just some thoughts, if you'd like to comment, I'd enjoy hearing feedback! :)
Garrett
 

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Excellent post Garrett I agree with it all but want to bring up a key point that you mentioned as well.

If you are just dating a girl to date her or dating her in general without it being exclusive it does cause laziness to not go out and meet new woman, you become comfortable and think "yea this will become exlcusive so I dont have to try anymore" I too have this problem, when I am dating a girl I usually (key word) do not date others even when its not exclusive. Then something happens, your not dating anymore, you have to start from square one, and your skills are quite rusty. Its a part of my game where I know I lack I get comfortable and say eh screw it less work for me.

Although when you find that one special girl that you do like and she does like you, you hold on to her...you FRICKIN HOLD ONTO HER!!! (without being needy) and you wait for her to bring up exclusivity. Even if you are not dating other women you have to make her think in the back of her mind that you are or you could be, it will make her want you more as something she can tame ;)

Excellent post Garrett.

Cheers, The Tool
 

Garrett

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The Tool said:
Excellent post Garrett I agree with it all but want to bring up a key point that you mentioned as well.

If you are just dating a girl to date her or dating her in general without it being exclusive it does cause laziness to not go out and meet new woman, you become comfortable and think "yea this will become exlcusive so I dont have to try anymore" I too have this problem, when I am dating a girl I usually (key word) do not date others even when its not exclusive. Then something happens, your not dating anymore, you have to start from square one, and your skills are quite rusty. Its a part of my game where I know I lack I get comfortable and say eh screw it less work for me.

Although when you find that one special girl that you do like and she does like you, you hold on to her...you FRICKIN HOLD ONTO HER!!! (without being needy) and you wait for her to bring up exclusivity. Even if you are not dating other women you have to make her think in the back of her mind that you are or you could be, it will make her want you more as something she can tame ;)

Excellent post Garrett.

Cheers, The Tool

Tool,

Thanks for the reply man, I love to hear your responses because I feel like you have a solid grasp on what's being advocated by Chase and what actually works!

Anyways, yeah you raise a great point about exclusivity, and yes it can become an issue if you let your emotions steamroll over your logic. Good to have a nice balance of the two, and you'll notice that most people let their emotions run their lives, thus living unproductive, and unfulfilling lives. I mean, yeah sometimes we gotta kick back and enjoy what we have and indulge, but always with moderation!

In relation to exclusivity, you've got to be careful! That relates to another reason why I feel it may be beneficial to some guys to go after prospects. Why? Well when you come to this site, and you put the work in, you'll eventually come to a point of feeling abundant without even doing anything. From this site, I've gotten more attraction from girls, and even without doing much I feel as though with enough effort, I can pull any girl I want. I've improved my fundamentals (still working at them!), and even doing something like improving your posture or voice can get you off and flying with any girl you meet. Eventually, I came to a realization that my game just needed a few tweaks and I'd be set, but this differs for everyone. A lot of guys come into the game with different levels of experience, so for some of the more advanced guys, I'd suggest that you don't waste your time on prospects. If you're a beginner or even intermediate and looking for some data points, I say go for prospects if you want. If you just study the information on the site, yes you'll have more knowledge, but your applied game will be weak. For example, if you take a guy who just studies off Girls Chase and throw him on the street, he'll be anxious, nervous, but after the interaction, he'll immediately know where he screwed up and will make adjustments to his game. That's why it's good to go for prospects, because you'll likely mess up but over time, it'll do nothing but improve your game! You might get blown out, but it's better than doing nothing and sitting at home. Also, it's exciting to get out there, experiment, and have a little fun, just don't hurt the girl ;)! Keep in mind, that if you have the chance to pickup girls on the street or you have well-planned logistics, then prospects may be a waste of time, regardless of your experience on the field. For someone with a busy life and crappy logistics, it's better than nothing!

When you go for a prospect, I suggest moving fast in escalation, but move slowly in the relationship. See her casually for some late night fun and if you end up liking her, spend more time with her. The important thing though, is you have to go out and see other girls. Go get some numbers while you're seeing this girl, you don't have to sleep with them. Date other girls if you want to; do anything to prevent yourself from getting 'trapped' by your emotions. Feeling a lack of control by allowing yourself to become too vulnerable to emotional attachment is deadly, so be aware of this before trying anything!

Garrett
 

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Thanks Garrett.

When you go for a prospect, I suggest moving fast in escalation, but move slowly in the relationship. See her casually for some late night fun and if you end up liking her, spend more time with her. The important thing though, is you have to go out and see other girls. Go get some numbers while you're seeing this girl, you don't have to sleep with them. Date other girls if you want to; do anything to prevent yourself from getting 'trapped' by your emotions. Feeling a lack of control by allowing yourself to become too vulnerable to emotional attachment is deadly, so be aware of this before trying anything!
Excellent key point. Yes this is key!! do not close yourself off to other women, Flirt, be sexual, get numbers, do not let your game get rusty, as you said yes if you get too exmotionally attached it is bad news!! You dont have to date other girls forsay but maintaining your abundance mentality is a must!!
 

Garrett

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Tool,

I read in your other post that you're dating the girl, congrats bud!

In your opinion, would you say it's better to date a girl who's decent but you aren't crazy over or to stay single? Reason being, it ups your preselection, and as long as you don't hurt the girl, I'd imagine it's an easier platform to work off of, also because if you start doing pickup on the street, you won't care as much because you know that you always have someone (your girlfriend) around as an option, and as a result, you won't give off as needy of a vibe. Also, if you aren't absolutely crazy about the girl, you won't want to commit to her, so as long as you take care of her emotions, I could actually see this as a benefit...

What do you think Tool? Anyone else feel free to comment as well :)
Garrett
 
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Thanks Garrett, I myself personally feel That I must like a girl to date her especially if she is girlfriend material. On the otherhand, if you are going the friends with benefits route this is completely acceptable. I just feel that if you dont like the girl all too much and she likes you eventually that could cause some problems down the road. The girl I am with really likes me she even stated "I want you. I dont want to share you" so now we are exclusive :) and she is extremely attractive and her her personality is just amazing so to me she is that 10/10. She is what I have always been looking for :)

And no I wont get too emotionaly attached to the point of neediness or being pathetic, We are just two people who really enjoy being with oneanother :)
Cheers The Tool
 

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Ps. The preselection from dating the girl wont be too much of an advantage especially if shes just average, you gotta think if you end up dating someone who she introduced you too and you dump her or she finds out you were dating both of them. Both will dump you. you will hurt the girl, (well both) and you dont want that
 

Garrett

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Thanks for the responses, Tool.

You're lucky to have found someone who you'd rate a 10; I've yet to meet someone who I felt was a perfect 10 for me.

The girl I was referring to, although I don't like to rate girls, would be about a 7. She doesn't do friends with benefits, and is different from most girls. You could spend months just hanging out with her and she wouldn't lose interest; different from most girls out there. How I know this? She's my Ex, and although we've had our differences, we've both matured since we dated 4 years ago, so I'm thinking of trying again with her. I wouldn't settle for someone who I wasn't physically attracted to, I don't see why anyone would. I think you raise a solid point that if your girl isn't very attractive, then it wouldn't do a whole hell of a lot for your preselection. I live in a small town, I know most of the girls around here, and have plans to visit other towns come this summer and practice my pickup skills! I've also let go of a lot of friendships because I felt like people weren't offering me a comparable amount of value to what I was providing them with. So I figured, 'Some days I need something exciting to do around here, if I had a girl to hangout with, it would be different/fun, and would be a nice break from all the studying I'm doing.'

As a 19 year old guy who chooses not to smoke/drink/party, it's hard to find things that are fun because when you live in a small town, you've seen/done it all. So I thought dating a girl would spice things up a bit, but from experience, I realize that the 'exciting' honeymoon phase only lasts for a short period of time, and you really have to consider the girl's feelings. I personally will only date girls if there is long term interest, and if I do not see the potential I won't bother, mainly due to consideration of the girl's feelings. At the same time, you can't predict how long a relationship will last, and the experience you gain from it could be well worth it! I'm planning on making a concrete decision about what I'm going to do after I post this, and as Chase says, 'Hope for the best, and plan for the worst!'

Cheers,
Garrett
 

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As a 19 year old guy who chooses not to smoke/drink/party, it's hard to find things that are fun because when you live in a small town, you've seen/done it all. So I thought dating a girl would spice things up a bit, but from experience, I realize that the 'exciting' honeymoon phase only lasts for a short period of time, and you really have to consider the girl's feelings. I personally will only date girls if there is long term interest, and if I do not see the potential I won't bother, mainly due to consideration of the girl's feelings. At the same time, you can't predict how long a relationship will last, and the experience you gain from it could be well worth it! I'm planning on making a concrete decision about what I'm going to do after I post this, and as Chase says, 'Hope for the best, and plan for the worst!'
You bring up some valid points my friend. I almost forgot you live in a small town. I dont think it would be too bad if you got back togeather with her, especially because it is great practice. You just have to be careful not to hurt her. From my experience LOVE IS LIKE A SEED, TO PLANT IT IS TO GROW. for ive noticed for somereason the girls ive asked out in social circle said yes to me asking them out (sexual attraction) but later on told me they really didnt like me at first but once they got to know me everything changed. (This happened more than once). So all in all I say go for it. I'll say it again. To Plant it, is to Grow

And on a side note, yes this girl is something else, in a good way, I asked her how a woman so attractive only had 1 boyfriend before me (well she said it was more of a summer fling so it lasted 3 months) and she said because the right guy hadnt come along ;) (ps. she is really soft/inexperienced which is perfect) (25 years old). after getting intimate she even said, your so different, I said what do you mean? she said Im used to being the dominate one in everything, and here comes you. dont take this the wrong way its just something ive noticed. (I did a backflip in my head for that means i've really engrosed the teachings on here)
 

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Hi Garrett,

Garrett said:
As a 19 year old guy who chooses not to smoke/drink/party

I don't drink and smoke too, you know. I go to parties, clubs and i drink fruit punch. There's a lot of superstars that don't drink too. Shawn Michaels, Cristiano Ronaldo, Adam "Edge" Copeland, Donald Trump are just examples. :)

Zac
 
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