Socializing To pursue or not to pursue that is the question...

[Skills]

So old school pick up back in the day was "make the hoe say no" to the point was to be as persitant as possible cause a lot of guys have premature ejectulation and leave sets prematururely, Then brent smith came out with the "no persue at all" to the point of not even getting phone numbers at all and giving your number instead....

Most of you do both things wrong since both approaches are right and wrong, there is an element of calibration, experience and finess were you need the right balance....

I personally hate with a passion being persisistant and i cringe when i watch youtubers guys "peddling" for me is cringe, for me that is no seduction... Like a used car says man, they go as far as having rebuttles answer to all the objection girls give... Girls give and objection they give and answer to the objection then they keep pushing...Like a used car salesmen...

For me obviously the right aproach is to have the girl so attracted, aroused and invested were all you get is mild token of resistance here and there and they need a silly pausible deniability to help her save face when she has already in her mind agree to sex.

Now I recommed guys to watch old school brent smith not for his advise(i don't even follow any of it, but to get a bit of the no persue attitude in your mentality as a balance)...

With that being said i will teach you what has worked for me consistently:

- in texting for example i get the girl so invested that they start hinting meets, if that is no the case i give what i call soft closes (credit to pwf for the term), my goal is to gauge where she is at, if during soft closes she give me shit answers, i pretty much go radio silence, and they usually ping or initiate, or i may ping some other time (very unusual they usually ping me)...I really believe women have some type of 6th sense were they can feel neediness in a micro level and then when they sense you are gone they ping (this has been my experience over and over even in person)....An excellent universal example is the advise post break up to totally go radio silence a million % everyone has experience that any time if you do this between a month to 6 women tend to reach out, is kind of the same concept... Now if you can not follow and get the SUPER URGE, to have contact ping at least minimum 48 hours post last message prior to double texting...

- in person i totally only persist if the girl has tons and tons of compliance and high degree of investment aka she is into me and from yellow to green or green, if that does not happened i am totally ok with no pursuing or persisting i have many lay reports examples on this:

Persistance Without neediness (tales from the club) - The Skills Method

As always a bit long, but I will make it interesting and enjoyable. In this tales from the club, I am trying to show some calibrated persistence without showing neediness. … Continue Reading →

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- usually in person women leave and i let them leave to go to talk to other guys (recently happened to lofty), bathroom, get a drink etc... I will read body language and gauge none verbally but i let them leave some times they are testing to see if you are going to lose your shit! and get needy, i just let them go to their friend or dance with other guys etc... cause they are testing to see your reaction and looking for more cues on your value, at times when i do this i engage other dudes or women and let it be, the other dude does not understand the dynamics on what is going on specially for example in the dance floor cause she is giving more flirty, open, down to fuck signals that are fake to that dude or overly flirty, this also happens on dates, the other dude not knowing what she is doing and the why get overly exited needy and aggressive, this turn her off and she usually comes back to you:

"Yes, women do this 50% of the time, it is what in the community we call “shit test” she is testing to see if you are man, congruent and to see if you give a fuck. When she does this, act normal, dance by yourself or open other girls (make sure those are girls that will not reject you). She will usually come back, make sure she does not see that you are being reactive to her dancing with other dudes, get jealous or giving a fuck. Another thing you can do is to act really exited that she is with the other dude, even push the dude to dance closer to her and more sexual. Usually what happens here, is that the other dude is going to get really exited,invested in her, try to seduce her and fuck it all up. At this point they always comes back."

Proper Way To Club/Dance Floor Dating - The Skills Method

How to seduce women in a club/dance floor setting when dating.

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There is also something else that i want to touch on related to this subject, happened recently to cientifico... The more dates the lower your chances of getting laid, the sweet spot is 2 dates, 1 date may be to soon, 2 dates it is the sweet spot, after 2 dates in my experience chances totally go down almost 95%, as chase says attraction has an expiration period... Recently i had mild onitis for a girl, those of you know that i hate hate hate hate, period sex i rather not even get laid, but i had a second encounter with a mild onitis she was on her period, this was the second date, yep! i banged her, of course now she is the one with the onitis... In the first date i did everything in the fucking book of pulled out all the tactis to bang her and she would not comply, even though she confess to me she was super wet on her pants when she got home, after persisting and persisting i knew i did not have it (one of the problems with my game on the dance floor is that at times you are exhausted at the time of pull, let say 4 am, now i found out this girl wanted long marathon sex and she did not see how that would happened when i pulled)...


Alright guys sorry for the rambling hope it helps, as always understand context, calibrate, internalize things and of course field test....

 

[Starboy]

This is something I wonder too whether to persist or not when is it ok to. My social awareness is very high as well as empathy so if I open a girl on the street and give her a compliment I feel her body language and use it to gage if I should stay in set or not. This backfires cuz usually women don't invest much after saying hi or thank you even if they think you're cute. That's a man's job to fill in the blanks so that's where I eject early if I can't think on top of my feet and carry the convo. Instinctively I don't want woman to feel like i'm a creep or beggar,but in Vegas I didn't give a fuck if I was annoying or harassing women i'd say whatever to practice. I'm not sure if I should focus on being more aggressive with hooking or just keep approaching more women even if idk how to lead interaction.

 

[Chase]

Persistence can be hard to get exactly correct.

My first few years as a seducer I would never try to persist aggressively at all. I was traditionally of that same mindset as you, @Skills, of "I want this girl to be so into me she is putty in my hands."

But then I went around with a guy who would persist in this really cool, attractive way with girls, and I consistently watched him get all these really good-looking girls who were just about to shut him down or walk away from him and he'd bring them back in and end up laying them 30-60 minutes later. I started using that method and discovered I could also use it to turn things around with girls about to bail, get girls coming along with me to all kinds of things, bed women this way, etc.

Skillful persistence that doesn't seem salesman-y is a rather rare skill set. I've found even most mPUAs don't have this skill. It's thus an easy one to impress other skilled guys with when you meet up ... you talk to two girls, they're about to leave, but you pull them back in, turn things around, and suddenly they're into you again, and your new friend is thinking, "I've never seen that before!"

Cold approach naturals tend to have various ways they persist smoothly, but these types of guy can be difficult to find.

- usually in person women leave and i let them leave to go to talk to other guys (recently happened to lofty), bathroom, get a drink etc... I will read body language and gauge none verbally but i let them leave some times they are testing to see if you are going to lose your shit! and get needy, i just let them go to their friend or dance with other guys etc... cause they are testing to see your reaction and looking for more cues on your value, at times when i do this i engage other dudes or women and let it be, the other dude does not understand the dynamics on what is going on specially for example in the dance floor cause she is giving more flirty, open, down to fuck signals that are fake to that dude or overly flirty, this also happens on dates, the other dude not knowing what she is doing and the why get overly exited needy and aggressive, this turn her off and she usually comes back to you:

Yeah, I agree with this. If you're in a social venue where she can leave and then run into you later, a lot of the time it's best to stay chill, let her wander, then after she's talked to a bunch of other guys and found them wanting, you pop back onto her radar and she's thrilled to see you.

For street game, day game, etc., you are typically only going to get that one shot with the girl, so skillful persistence even before you've established any compliance can be a game changer. e.g., you open a girl, she blows you off, but she's really hot, so you tell her, "No, no, no, you misunderstood! No, no, come back! Yes, yes, back! Hi! I'm not scary, I just wanted to talk to you for a second."

A lot of guys don't like doing this because it feels chasey. But once you've started laying girls off it, your opinion on it tends to change...

Anyway, once you have a "skillful persistence" skill set, it is generally a thing you only use here and there, typically just once with any one girl.

But it does expand your range a bit.

Chase

 

[DarkKnight]

A lot of guys don't like doing this because it feels chasey.

Guilty... I have erred far too many times on the side of caution because I did not want to come across as "chasey", while persistence and warmth were actually the real answer. I am still trying to get the calibration right but your ACER (in the article how to be a challenge) helps quite well..