Toronto nortorious for being bad at pickup?

[WittyJester]

Why is Toronto bad for pickup? What would you suggest doing if you live there?

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

I stayed in Toronto and as an American who had interacted with a lot of people from Toronto before (more on that later), the city’s awful culture still took me by surprise.

We have this perception of Canadians as nice, open, and cool; boy did that stereotype get proven wrong in a heartbeat. What I found is that Toronto is even worse culturally than most major US cities, not only are the people significantly more rude and constantly stirring the pot but there isn’t really much of an identity to the city.

In many ways, I felt like Toronto was a plastic culture of a city where it constantly imitates what other cities do. How “cool” you are has a bigger say than just about anything. Among Toronto women, I noticed a vast majority of them are the social media, validation hungry, narcissistic, and empathy lacking types. If you do not have the connections in the nicest clubs and parties, I won’t even bother. Toronto women rank as some of the worst in my eyes when it comes to entitlement, fakeness, narcissism, and overall toxic behaviors.

The other thing that makes it terrible is that PUA started there, that means women are more than used to men “cold approaching” them and constantly have their guards up. So unlike a girl in a Miami or Austin who might blush at this sort of thing, you have malls in Ontario banning PUAs. As you can see, it is a game negative type of culture where you better have a thick skin.

Now to that, add that Toronto’s people have a massive inferiority complex because quite frankly, no one really gives a fuck about Canada. In most cases, this would be okay but when you take an inferiority complex and couple it with the need for validation which is exclusive only to Toronto as a city, you get a culture that overcompensates by being extra narcissistic, rude, shitty, and displaying the worst personality traits. The need to be “cool” in Toronto is worse than any other North American city I have been to, only Atlanta and LA might be able to rival it.

When I met people from Toronto, especially the women, I noticed this. The fake niceness was something else but so was the virtue signaling, moral self-righteousness, and passive aggressive behavior. In my view, the worst part about Toronto is the fact that its people travel out of the city so much and many of them even move out. Get enough of them in a given city and you just ruin that city’s vibe.

My friends in Montreal are fed up with the Toronto expats, usually horny losers who flood good cities and spam approach women while also bringing their try-hard persona with them.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

There is no doubt that no matter where you are, even if the Middle East, men are getting laid there.

After a while though, as a man when you grow, you decide where you want to spend your energy, have some grit and stick it out. Maybe LA, NYC, Miami, even Atlanta, Austin, Montreal, and Vancouver spoiled me but I did not see that many good looking women in Toronto. I saw a lot of women who tried desperately to look good but were packing a few extra pounds, had weird looking faces, and half-assed their appearance. I think they knew no matter how they looked, someone was going to approach them. The city is clearly not a Miami by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to talent.

Even then, almost every girl you meet in the city will be an Instagram wannabe type. My thoughts are, I'd rather go to LA or Miami for the hot version of that or even Vancouver or Montreal if I want the Maple Syrup pussy so bad.

With the "male competition", that was laughable. Compared to men I have known in places like LA who had tight game and in Miami who had that swagger, Toronto men were largely try-hards who'd do shit like get ignored by the girl you are with and then try to chat and buddy buddy with you. Even looking around, the men dressed like slobs and you could barely find men you would want to brag hanging around.

All in all, Toronto is that one city that tries desperately to be cool but fails at it. Toronto is a city that wishes it was Miami or LA but in the end is just some largely irrelevant dump in Canada with no real culture, constantly trying to imitate the culture of other cities. The people suck and everyone is just trying to get something out of you, more scammers than I ran into anywhere in Canada.

Would I try to stick it out in a hard as fuck place like San Diego where my competition is a Tom Brady lookalike? Yeah, that would validate the fuck outta me.

Would I try to tough it out in a place like LA which is the true city of stars? You bet, it's loaded with sexy women and it is LA.

Would I try to stick it out in NYC and its cut-throat area? Yup.

Toronto? No smart man works on his grit and ahis best for what is, if we are being very generous, a bronze trophy.

The question is not can you get hot girls in Toronto, it's why would you want to? Save that energy for LA, Miami, or if a Canadian then Vancouver or Montreal. Better cultures, better people, and better things to do.

 

[WittyJester]

There is no doubt that no matter where you are, even if the Middle East, men are getting laid there.

After a while though, as a man when you grow, you decide where you want to spend your energy, have some grit and stick it out. Maybe LA, NYC, Miami, even Atlanta, Austin, Montreal, and Vancouver spoiled me but I did not see that many good looking women in Toronto. I saw a lot of women who tried desperately to look good but were packing a few extra pounds, had weird looking faces, and half-assed their appearance. I think they knew no matter how they looked, someone was going to approach them. The city is clearly not a Miami by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to talent.

Even then, almost every girl you meet in the city will be an Instagram wannabe type. My thoughts are, I'd rather go to LA or Miami for the hot version of that or even Vancouver or Montreal if I want the Maple Syrup pussy so bad.

With the "male competition", that was laughable. Compared to men I have known in places like LA who had tight game and in Miami who had that swagger, Toronto men were largely try-hards who'd do shit like get ignored by the girl you are with and then try to chat and buddy buddy with you. Even looking around, the men dressed like slobs and you could barely find men you would want to brag hanging around.

All in all, Toronto is that one city that tries desperately to be cool but fails at it. Toronto is a city that wishes it was Miami or LA but in the end is just some largely irrelevant dump in Canada with no real culture, constantly trying to imitate the culture of other cities. The people suck and everyone is just trying to get something out of you, more scammers than I ran into anywhere in Canada.

Would I try to stick it out in a hard as fuck place like San Diego where my competition is a Tom Brady lookalike? Yeah, that would validate the fuck outta me.

Would I try to tough it out in a place like LA which is the true city of stars? You bet, it's loaded with sexy women and it is LA.

Would I try to stick it out in NYC and its cut-throat area? Yup.

Toronto? No smart man works on his grit and ahis best for what is, if we are being very generous, a bronze trophy.

The question is not can you get hot girls in Toronto, it's why would you want to? Save that energy for LA, Miami, or if a Canadian then Vancouver or Montreal. Better cultures, better people, and better things to do.

Very thought out answer. I believe most of the men here are extremely low value. The women I’d regard as 5s are getting treated with the same attention and respect as a 10. It is over saturated with low value men. I find it hard to find and meet high value guys myself. However, I do feel I get noticed by women a lot in the street. The sexual market in Toronto is determined by Instagram and Snapchat.

 

[MuST0BtA1NSkR1Lla]

Canadian culture I’ve been noticing people from Ontario popping into B.C more and more and I do not really enjoy it. Sort of wish Ontario would stay out of here

It’s the personalities and the accents. Go around wearing a Raptors snap back or Blue Jays jersey and tell me if you get laid.

Aloha

 

[Protean]

Plus what could be a more pragmatic form of preparation for a seducer. . . who wants hedonistic adventures in Miami, New York, Los Angeles or wherever. Than conquering the most challenging city within reach?

I feel the and way @Bacchus. I’m closing in on the time in a man’s life where he must leave the nest and strike out on his own. When considering cities to relocate to the choice between an easier market and a harder one is something I’ve gone back and forth on.

While at first I was totally against moving to a city infamous for its dating difficulties, I know wouldn’t mind and even may prefer such a locale. Like you said what better training ground for really leveling up your game than a city that doesn’t make things easy for you? Climb to the top of the mountain in Toronto and almost everywhere else will be a breeze.

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

The thing is not conquering a tough city which I am against, it is knowing which tough city is worth conquering. It is senseless to spend your best game trying to please a 6 that is not easily impressed, it is another to try and please a 9 that is playing hard to get. Now I actually did better in Toronto in terms of results than any other Canadian city. Was it by typical spam approach PUA game or even advanced levels of games the same dudes here ranting against online dating and such do? No.

I had friends in the area, only reason I went, and some of them had nightlife connections. Throughout the nights, I barely approached that much but had some IOIs from cute enough women. The two hottest girls I got with were both social circle lays due to the people I already knew there and being socially proofed. I also noticed that due to this social circle and some nightlife VIP type connections along with the social proof, my hit rate was higher in Toronto than other Canadian cities.

My point? It wasn't worth it. Toronto girls just suck. There is no personality to most of them that are good looking and it is very much a plastic culture obsessed with nightlife in a city with no self-identity where even the nightlife is overrated. If I was to describe the women of Toronto, they are a poor man's Los Angeles girl. What would I recommend doing in Toronto if you are stuck and cannot move?

1. Perfect social proof the most of any of your game. You will face instant rejections in Toronto from hot girls or get led along if you do not come off as that kind of guy who has "access". If you have no job or anything, I'd even recommend working in nightlife there.

2. Match the vibe of the city. Toronto is the most bro city in all of Canada, try to match the kind of vibe of the guys who do well there. One impression I got is that you need to very grungy, gritty, and kind of a tough dominant type who is almost pushy or not afraid of confrontation in Toronto while in Vancouver and Montreal this vibe will not work.

3. Learn to game Party Girls and suit your game to them, most girls in Toronto fit that vibe. Party girl, hungry for validation, drama heavy, and shallow as they come. Chase has an article on gaming blonde bombshells, READ IT, most Toronto women have that vibe.

4. Go to areas of the city that are full of more transplants and outsiders, you might find Canadian and foreign women who are just as fed up and lost in that city as you. More applicable for the daygamers.

5. Like seriously, consider moving. Even conquering Toronto is not as fulfilling as conquering a tough city like a Los Angeles (which is loaded with dimes), NYC, Dallas (where the alpha male competition is intense), San Diego or Miami.

 

[Chrance]

I live in a supposedly shitty city to game. After living here for about 3 years the things that make it difficult are not really noticeable or ive learned to accept or overcome. I once thought of moving out but now have grown to love my area and prefer it over other cities I’ve visited. All of this to say, it may be wise to visit Toronto and put in some real work in a variety of its venues/locations before making a judgement about the pickup there. I would’ve shrugged off where I live now if I based my assessment off only my first year here (a really shitty year lol). There were a lot of well known PUAs from Toronto as well. I’m of the “if they can do it so can you” attitude. But then again, if you really don’t like the city then no need to torture yourself and live there imo. Different people are suited to different environments