Transitions Transitioning from Opening to Seduction-help?

[Humay]

Yesterday i went to London (for the first time in about 10 years). The truth is, my town is just full of old people and unattractive mothers, and i realised that if i was serious about this, i got to go to a proper city and find out what's going on with my interactions with pretty women.
The great thing about London is that it's like visiting a foreign country. About 75% of the people i saw were foreign tourists and while they were probably less keen on starting a conversation in English, i met so many nationalities i would never normally get the chance to, like a Persian girl, a Japanese woman and many others.

I mainly used or partly used Chase's 'Slow opening' for this. Unfortunately, i haven't yet found the courage to just go up to a woman and say she's cute. Not only do i find direct openings quite scary, but i get the feeling i'm supplicating by complimenting a girl i haven't spoken a word to previously.

My interactions went like this:

Girl 1: (Chinese girl in a cafe)

Me: Busy in here, isn't it? (Situational statement to open)
Her: A little smile, look and nod
Me: [pause] (the essential pause. Was about 4 seconds)
Her: [goes back to reading her magazine]
Me: So, i was wondering if you were familiar of that park there...(i trailed off mid sentence when i realised she didn't register my existence).
Her: [totally ignoring me]

First girl was a bit of a disaster with the slow opening really. But i just assumed her shy and moved onto a different cafe.

Girl 2: (Persian girl on bench. I knew she was persian just by looking at her features).

Me: It's so hot, no? (I was going to open with a statement like Slow opening suggests, but it just sounded like i was talking to myself).
Her: yes (smiling)
Me: [pause]
Me: to parsi harf mizani? (persian for 'do you speak persian?')
Her: Baleh! (Yes!) How did you know?!
Me: You were just so cute, i knew you were
Her: Oh.
Me: .... Um... (Feeling a bit embarrassed and panicked as i couldn't think of anything to say)
Her: ...
Me: [given up]

It got a bit awkward after that. I made it look like i had a phone call to answer, and i walked away from that fast.

Girl 3: (mid-twenties English girl walking on the street)

Me: Excuse me, do you know where the ____ shop is? (I know not to open with an apology. I'm not sure if that included 'excuse me' but it seemed to work fine).
Her: Yes, let me just have a look (opens her flashy phone).
Me: [pause]
Me: where are you going now?
Her: I work at that department store.
Me: A pretty girl like you working in an ugly building like that? (Disqualification)
Her: hmm. (Didn't seem to like what i said)
Her: okay, this is the address! (Said almost too enthusiastically)
Me: oh, cool. Thank you very much
Her: Bye!

Didn't seem to be going to well. For all the girls i spoke to, they seemed hooked on the opening to at least be interested in a conversation, but my 'post-opening' and flirting seems to ruin everything.

If anyone can tell me where i'm going wrong and tell me how to transition from the opening to the seduction stage, i'll be very grateful! I think i may be complimenting too early (as i said before, supplicating doesn't feel natural to me, but i have to get across my interest in some way).

I feel once i got the transition stage (between opening and seduction stage), my success with women will begin to show fruit

Thank you

 

[Richard]

Great to see that you're opening women, the transitions from opening onward aren't at all that hard when you know what to do. In my opinion, what you're lacking is what I call "singular flow" and instead using a jumpy flow. By singular flow, I mean following up your initial opening with a question or statement that directly ties in with your opening, or the womens response/action. For example, the 3rd woman, after pulling out her phone obviously for GPS, I would have teased her a little because it became blatantly obvious that she wasn't familiar with the area, I would've said something like, "Pshhh, and here I was thinking I was asking a local for directions?" with a playful, teasing smile and light touching. By following up with a singular question or statement you're talking to her with genuine interest, because you're following up in a direct way which is the natural thing to do in a conversation, inquire about what was previously said. However, when you jump around like you did with the 2nd woman , you jumped from the hot day to her speaking persian. Reread your dialogue and it should feel like you're forcing conversation by jumping, and when you jump, women feel like you're after something, like there is some reason you are talking to them with negative intentions, and it leads to auto-rejection. That being said, you have to follow up on your opening with light conversation to put the both of you at ease, from there, you can transition into a deep dive, and continue building rapport. For you, I recommend a book which helped me realize my own ability, and it should help you develop yours called "How to Win Friends and Influence People." by Dale Carnegie.
Enjoy, and if you have any questions reply or feel free to pm me, =)
Richard

 

[johnydones]

Sorry if i am reviving this topic , but that book you mentioned is great, i just realized so many things i did wrong , not only with women but my friends too.