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Space Monkey
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love posting my Ls..

yesterday, girl (let's call her Astra Zeneca) with which we matched year ago on tinder, we both flaked on few dates, asked me on Whatsapp for picture of me after my compliment that she" looks good in blue, almost good as me " (reasonable, she saw my pics only on tinder year ago, then few months ago only one selfie of my face when I was making fun of her -> she liked it , we even scheduled date but I think I couldn't make it..), I sent her one me wearing blue (normal photo of me which I use on tinder now, plus 2 girls independently told me it is best pic of me, it is taken by my friend, to be honest only one thing is different on this photo from rest-> buzz cut)

She replied in a minute something what could be translated as: "nice, nice :p "fire emoji", then I asked her for a date availability and... 4 days no answer from her :)

I would say I am just ugly/not her type/buzz cut is a problem (it's normal picture of me in bar, not drunk, little bit cocky..that's it) but ...in this case it is not making sense to me plus...what should I did differently? She was ok and agreed going on date with me with worse pictures of me but after my best ...block? And ..I am definitely not "too high value" and "too beautiful that she is nervous" ahaha:)

I read threat about solution for online.. and...yeah, I shouldn't have dating aps. BUT:

Frequently have issues when girl is asking for Instagram...they either do not believe me I dont have one (even in person!...on dates), or ghost me when I offer other (and not always are these girls looking for followers, judging by their insta/communication).
I frequently offer that I have pensioner facebook and number.(i do this when I am trying to take them off the dating app)

Very few, I do not recall one to be honest (but there is reserve), would meet with me after THEY asked for social..
Most of my pics on dating apps are from facebook, there is very little public about me, and if, it is only some songs or me being tagged on party..not many tho.



And I do not believe I am fucked without good insta.

What are you workarounds except being rich and having cool active instagram? I know you are slaying without instagram, tell me how YOU handle: ..
1) scenario on app, where she is asking for ig
2) after date when she is asking..( I am not saying they ghosted me solely on social media..)
3) on date, (this one i usually handle ok, even if they ask on date, I can gently skip it, tell my non schizo reasoning...very sporadic topic )


Sometimes, I reply also with some understanding statements with some friendly teasing (i understand even if I am THIS pretty, I am still stranger...wow, what a reasonable girl you are! ..etc) , I believe they are mostly asking because they are undecided about me, not enough attraction and ...like you old heads already said, ODL sucks and it's hard to bring attraction differently than through Instagram.


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1) Nothing she says or does counts for a damn thing until you meet in person.
2) Don't give up Social media access until you have had sex with a woman and plan to have it again.
3) Remain a mystery that can only be solved by an in person meet.
4) If she can go through 5 years of IG or FB posts she already knows most of your details and the mystery will be gone.
 

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Space Monkey
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What are you workarounds except being rich and having cool active instagram? I know you are slaying without instagram, tell me how YOU handle: ..
1) scenario on app, where she is asking for ig
2) after date when she is asking..( I am not saying they ghosted me solely on social media..)
3) on date, (this one i usually handle ok, even if they ask on date, I can gently skip it, tell my non schizo reasoning...very sporadic topic )
"I don't do social media."

If she prods for why, "I don't know, just not my thing."

If she keeps prodding "its addictive and seems to do more harm than good. I'd rather live my life without all that."

That's as much as you need to give. Change the topic from there, unless a discussion of how social media affects the individual and society is a topic that'll forward the seduction at the moment.

I've got good socials now, but that worked for me for years.
 

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@throw,

A lead from a year ago is almost always going to be a cold lead. There's not a lot of hope there no matter what you do, unless you met her in person and left her with great emotions and you're now reconnecting with her at an ideal time for her.

It is generally not worth trying to breakdown why you couldn't get a cold lead from a year ago you haven't met in person. Instead, go out and get a few new girls' numbers today and text them.

Anyway, sounds like it went like this:

  • You reconnected
  • She didn't remember you & asked for a pic
  • You sent her one. She was polite but didn't see anything super appealing to her
  • So she blocked

That's online for you. It's 100% looks-based. You didn't pass the test (which, for online, generally requires you to be better looking than she is). Read this post from @Karea Ricardus D.:


What are you workarounds except being rich and having cool active instagram? I know you are slaying without instagram, tell me how YOU handle: ..
1) scenario on app, where she is asking for ig
2) after date when she is asking..( I am not saying they ghosted me solely on social media..)
3) on date, (this one i usually handle ok, even if they ask on date, I can gently skip it, tell my non schizo reasoning...very sporadic topic )


Sometimes, I reply also with some understanding statements with some friendly teasing (i understand even if I am THIS pretty, I am still stranger...wow, what a reasonable girl you are! ..etc) , I believe they are mostly asking because they are undecided about me, not enough attraction and ...like you old heads already said, ODL sucks and it's hard to bring attraction differently than through Instagram.

Are you exclusively doing dating apps? Not clear from the post but it sounds like it.

If so... then yes, you've already got the advice there: these girls are undecided and want to use Instagram to make the decision.

IF THEY WERE INTO YOU... you not having Instagram would only serve to make you more mysterious in a good way.

IF THEY ARE NOT INTO YOU OR HAVE DOUBTS... you not having Instagram makes you seem suspicious/weird.

Your problem is not that you don't have Instagram.

Your problem is that the women you meet are not that into you.

Solve that problem, and the Instagram problem takes care of itself.

Chase
 

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What are you workarounds except being rich and having cool active instagram? I know you are slaying without instagram, tell me how YOU handle: ..
1) scenario on app, where she is asking for ig
2) after date when she is asking..( I am not saying they ghosted me solely on social media..)
3) on date, (this one i usually handle ok, even if they ask on date, I can gently skip it, tell my non schizo reasoning...very sporadic topic )

1) If a girl from an app is asking to see your IG before meeting, it is actually a very good sign. It usually means that your pictures appear a little too good to be true. There are tonnes of guys online that will straight up catfish girls using model pictures of men that they found online. If a girl is asking to see your IG, she is usually doing it to get confirmation that you are a real person.

She doesn't want to show up to a date or your house, and you "Surprise!" her by looking completely different from your pics. Guys do do this.

With that said, what do you do to give her confirmation that you are a real person without IG?

Here is what I do. After she asks for IG, I say, "Don't have IG, but I can send more pics if you want."

They usually say, "Yes please".

I then ask them, "How many fingers should I hold up?"

They will say a number or a unique hand signal to prove that I am not ripping photos off internet.

I take the picture in front of a mirror. Make sure that you look good. This picture will make or break you, so pull out all the stops and make sure you look your best.

I send the picture with the caption "your turn". They usually send one back and then it's game on, crisis averted.


2) and 3) It's usually irrelevant if she is asking for your IG on a date or after a date. In most instances, this is not a screening question, and more likely just filler conversation. Just tell her that you don't use IG and that if you need to get a hold of people you just text them. She might think it's a little weird, but it's mysterious at the same time, so it balances out.
 

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Space Monkey
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@throw,

A lead from a year ago is almost always going to be a cold lead. There's not a lot of hope there no matter what you do, unless you met her in person and left her with great emotions and you're now reconnecting with her at an ideal time for her.

It is generally not worth trying to breakdown why you couldn't get a cold lead from a year ago you haven't met in person. Instead, go out and get a few new girls' numbers today and text them.

Anyway, sounds like it went like this:

  • You reconnected
  • She didn't remember you & asked for a pic
  • You sent her one. She was polite but didn't see anything super appealing to her
  • So she blocked

That's online for you. It's 100% looks-based. You didn't pass the test (which, for online, generally requires you to be better looking than she is).
I believe you are right, was just confused that she already saw my photos and the one I sent last was probably best one and...nothing new about me was there. I am used to girls deleting me/asking me about buzz cut (have few pics with hat) but this was just... weird
Read this post from @Karea Ricardus D.:




Are you exclusively doing dating apps? Not clear from the post but it sounds like it.
More or less yes. Not proud of it.
Recently got few times lucky in gym(indirect,..direct approach went terrible..later I read your article about gym approach, noted)
If so... then yes, you've already got the advice there: these girls are undecided and want to use Instagram to make the decision.

I would agree, however! Recently, even from talking with girls on dates or from my experiences from apps, it can be also because they are afraid I have already girlfriend/wife (open to get it refuted). Or..once I've got deleted (already scheduled date) after answer "i don't have ig" (of course I wrote more nuanced answer with..not most beautiful girl, definitely "uglier than me"..she could have inflated ego..etc.)

The point is: the answer to online dating from what I found here is : make it as a secondary...sure, no problem with that.
But I like you here because you are trying here to perfect every possible situation, too details..and I don't think we/you are troubleshooting here, i think we are brushing it off with "go for a next girl"(working on it ;), I believe you are maybe, after number of doomers posts here in recent time, assuming, that I somehow holding on this girl and slowly black pilling myself -> no ;)

If we matched, I believe, I should keep trying till blocked.(uff, this will be controversial)
IF THEY WERE INTO YOU... you not having Instagram would only serve to make you more mysterious in a good way.

IF THEY ARE NOT INTO YOU OR HAVE DOUBTS... you not having Instagram makes you seem suspicious/weird.

Your problem is not that you don't have Instagram.

Your problem is that the women you meet are not that into you.
Can be. Actually, sounds right.. unfortunately.
I believe maybe some examples could be useful to move it further:
Matched with girl, open with compliments on her freckles and how good we are in matching...bla bla, she was on vacation in Brazil, now on night shift, "i will exchange my weekend without night shift for your vacation in Brazil,(compliments on pics from Brazil)..bla bla bla she was flattered ->
->when you will get your sleep deficit under control, I know about charismatic gentleman with beautiful face features and even more beautiful collection of Hawaii shirts, who would like to go out for a wine with you (me)
>>she liked(hearted) that msg and she wrote "i like that idea!"
>me too +my logistics msg
>>3 days no answer from her
>I double texted (i did mistake her, but i was/am leaving town for a longer time in 2days from this msg so I took a risk)
"Wednesday would be fine, nice break with girl like you in the middle of the week going to be nice. I am also catch;)(sounds fucking even more corny in English)

>>3 hours later "I can't on Wednesday, I have again night shift, sorry i am not on tinder often, please, text me in my ig "her_ig_name"(she doesn't have her ig in profile)

>I replied "sorry i am too old for Instagram (now when i read it... sounds aggressive, I tried to soften it with "sorry" ..but something about that sentence suck dick) , but i have pensioners Facebook my_name or WhatsApp 555 333 111.

And listen freckled girl, I understand that you have some doubts.. even if I am pretty..I am still stranger..even if funny and nice... still little bit dirty (reference to our previous compliments exchange), plus you have night shift. I know Tinder is not normal but...i think we will make it work (not relationship talk, in our language is understandable that i mean date)
>>no answer from her since this Monday

Goal was, to make her comfortable (however, I looked probably too cocky here and there...but also to pushy)


I will give more examples later, now I am on phone (sorry if it is unreadable)





Solve that problem, and the Instagram problem takes care of itself.

Chase
Already ordered Lamborghini (keys). Everything else is maxxed to infinity.
 

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Space Monkey
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She might think it's a little weird, but it's mysterious at the same time, so it balances out.
If you're projecting confidence and high value and otherwise have your shit together, it can actually make the girl self conscious and start talking about how she thinks of deleting her socials too. There can be something of an "I'm wiser than you" feel to it, as most are aware of the detrimental effects of social media.

This is when the "discussion of how social media affects the individual and society" can actually forward the seduction. It puts you in a spiritual guru type position of talking about how to best set your life up for personal fulfillment and positivity, without a care for what everyone else is doing or going along with the pack. Cue the doe eyes.

I'm older with a dominant sort of demeanor, not sure if it'll go that way for everyone.
 

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Just an update:
The girl which blocked me after photo (actually, she didn't blocked me, I thought that she did that gentle block where you still see her photo and are able to write her, but I didn't see her online status and my msg which I sent cca 3 days ago "you are savage baby, i love it" was sent but not received... apparently, she really went offline after my date proposition msg which she seen) just texted me yesterday evening (so after 6 days) that:
Hi, I had to finish my learning and project for work(can be true, she mentioned this deadline last month when we chit chat), so I am not going to be here much.


Ignored date invite.
Not sure what to do. Voice msg, chill attitude, wish her good luck? Don't see anything else possible with her, call would be too much, asking her out after she didn't reply to my invite would be redundant and pushy, trying to make more connection between us ..we already chatted for long and she was very proactive and easy to chat to, but now when she is busy, even that wouldn't be possible..or she just replied to keep me around for attention? I don't know.

Babe number 2
And 3 days ago I also sent "sun" emoji(gif..) on tinder to that second girl which asked to continue over Instagram , she replied in hour with fucking crying/suffering emoji (oh my God, this is just embarrassing to write), nothing else, completely ignored my FB/number or invation from msg before sun emoji.

I replied later that what is hurting her? Or she is also irritated by one..girl?

She replied that she is also irritated by girl (not sure if she get my reference to her) but I realized that this is wrong curse of action.

Now I am trying to make some rapport between us and just chatting about fav drink/party sports and how hangovers are getting worse and worse (she looks she likes to party)

Both of them are probably dead ends going nowhere, just hungry for attention and like Chase said, not into me (at least to the meet up extent).

But we will figure it out, let's play. Still not blocked:)
I few times resurrected bad situations.
 
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Your time and energy is being wasted.
 

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Your time and energy is being wasted.
not fan of this attitude. I am not dwelling over them,just trying to make my texting, online game better. If I wouldn't have matches, I would understand "move on". Or if I would be depressed etc.
But e.g. all of the updates from me ITT are while I was travelling by train, doing nothing...

next update: 1st girl, which ghosted for a 6 days just a one msg after my picture
today, 3 hours ago I sent her voice msg with mix of yellow and red situation where I addressed objections from Skills article :
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/simple-basic-texting-guide.23663/

basically: hey baby, dont worry, i am not mad at you,...now i have tons of work to and also have problem to get relaxed...however if you want to get a better grade and pass the class, going out for a wine with a handsome, funny super sexy guy like me, is actually recommended by 10 out of 10 professors, can't believe you did not know this...it's in prerequisites...(and now red addressing objection after 2-3 seconds)
Look, I know tinder is stupid, it's unnatural..I dont like it either...but I would say we matched it really good, we are both almost equaly handsome, both funny...you are funny too..and obviously we are smart..I believe we would have good time and it would help us to get relaxed in this crazy times for us...think about it..good luck baby.


in one hour she replied:
I never heard about that prerequisites (multiple laughing emotikons, cmon woman)
yeah, you are more funny (bitch, she really thinks she is prettier than me?!)
what about Wednesday night?

So, I replied with logistics, she agreed. I am still skeptical and she will either ghost/flake or she will have extremely high ASD/FSC and like is usually with me, LMR stronger than..I do not know, something strong.
Week ago I thought she ghosted/blocked me because I was not attractive enough.
I believe it was worthy or even useful to go through this and try.


Guess who, 10mins ago, during tuning logistics asked me about IG:) not to be passive aggressive but I still do not know what to reply ;) from this treat I get that it's not good sign but..thats it.
ProblemSolving's comment sounds appealing to my ego but I do not think that looking too good is my problem. :)
Will try to brush it of with "no" and continue with chat about date/bar where we are going..

The thing which irritate me is, that I do not live dweeb/neet life, which would look embarrassing on social media, I am not somebody who is overselling himself on tinder. Of course, I am not traveler or rich or party animal so I wouldn't have interesting ig, that's it. I am not hiding anything.
 
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not fan of this attitude. I am not dwelling over them,just trying to make my texting, online game better. If I wouldn't have matches, I would understand "move on". Or if I would be depressed etc.
But e.g. all of the updates from me ITT are while I was travelling by train, doing nothing...
If it works for you great. For me, I only have so much cognitive and psychological energy to spend, and threading the needle with a low-interest woman is not a good use of my mind.

Sometimes if I know I've blown it with a woman (or realize I never had a chance anyway) I'll convert her into an experiment. See how she responds to jealousy/pre-selection, or a novel form of negging I've been thinking about etc. But I'm like a scientist taking data at that point. Just see if they respond the way I think they will. I wouldn't put down a good book I'm reading to interact with her.

The way I see it I like women, but I also have a lot of books I haven't read, a job I love, relatives I'm thinking about, bands I want to go see, and I skipped leg day....again!

Women will eat up all your energy if you let them and give nothing in return. When that happens its always been my fault.
 

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so, some news :)

regarding the first girl, Astra Zeneca, we scheduled date for Wednesday, she asked me before on my instagram, I told her i do not have one but she can give me hers, I would love to see more of her pics :)
She gave me her ig, but it was private, then little chit chat about what I would love to see her wear -> then check msg night before date, and of course few hours before date.

You can skip to Important part -> in the middle of this word goulash I would appreciate some next steps suggestion



DATE
We met near to metro, she was on time, she knew we will go for a drink but she was dressed very causal and the bar where we went was more classy (she is model..looked stunning,she is beautiful and sympathetic..she did not know where we are going).
We hugged, kissed on cheeks, I told her she looks adorable, I like what I see. She was laughing, and very openly said she is also very happy what she sees. She is funny, I like her.
From start she was very ...airy, direct (also..she multiple times mentioned work and school, she did fuck up few things..she looked in stress from it, explained me later in detail). But nice confident vibes, not bitchy.

Little shit test here and there, about paying on our way to date. She was willing to.(hmm..heh, no idea if really). Talked about ex..exes..I was just listening through it, she already mentioned she had guy of my nationality and we are very..interesting. Few jokes about that. She laughed and all night she was saying how funny I am, but in million different ways, really impressive and generous compliments,("i wouldn't be able to think of it, wow you have really creative mind..you read a lot and then you can connect all of these different topics.....etc.) she is big fan of..being fan. Pleasant girl. Needed to say, I was not very funny , objectively, nor attempting many jokes. She has innocent humor, i have piece of shit cancer humor.

Bar where we end up has advantage that we can sit opposite but I will always sit girls into sofas and I can sit next to them. Usually going for sitting next to each other straight away, but some times, girls are really shy (once we had meetup with girl IN the bar, I walked to her, greet and tried set next to her but she very aggressively was against it...makes sense, it's about calibration, it was tinder..)

So we were coming to the table and on the way she straight up asked me If we are going to sit next to each other, before I had a chance to ask. So we set next to each other, ordering alko cocktails.
We talked about nothing, smoking, big noses, faces...that I am good at texting and how she was impressed. I told her with her it is going natural, I dont have to think. Not immediately, but we had deepest intense eye contact, she smiled. We had these multiple...she asked what I see there(in her eyes)..I told her goodness (i mean it), she said I was first person who ever answered that question.
We smoked together from her iqos (I am drink smoker), she offered me multiple times. The issue... she talked lot about her exes (not specific one...like that her love life sucked..she sometimes replied something negative as a answer to some hint of compliment towards her, or just randomly mentioned them without me asking, which was causing trouble)

I could write more about that part but ...it is already too long.
Somewhere during this sad deep anti-sexy anti-date topic she put her hair into ponytail, after few minutes she let her hair down, I told her that I liked her so much better in pony tail and she happily put it to pony tail and I complimented her neck. She told it's sorrow -> touch how hard it its.
Normally I would go for more touching and kiss but...i suggested massage (but my delivery sucked..and it was tooo obvious). Can't remember her reaction, it was positive but not ...nothing extra. We talked more about how we look. (hah..unbelievable)

She was trying to get some info from me (what I do...I said I have two jobs, quickly described my boring real one and the second one is "tinder consultant", tinder is paying me to go on dates with girls -> she laughed at it generously and said how the fuck can I come with shit like this, that she would never be able to make joke like this..., sometimes I get laughing reaction but never like this..it's mediocre joke at best) relationships, friendships infos..

So, I was trying some gambits, tried perverse one, she liked it (it was probably too late, she talked about relationships, we had deep eyes contact...I felt like in boyfriend territory even if was only few minutes in) she said she is little perverse...but she was shy to go further, she was smiling and saying "not on first date"...we joked how I am perverse, I mentioned g spot, to go for g spot or orgasm gambit but ...here we are...she straight up said she had problem to orgasm with guys(also, she never said I love you..), I tried to bring some light into that with "right guy will make you happy and relaxed in your head, in head is the real g spot" she agreed but she herself told how she went to sexology doctor and then boom, I did not have time to answer and she transitioned that -> she never seen her father and mother to show lover and affection towards each other, mentioned how exes cheated on her (fuck, she said she would be ok if only once or twice..). I semi seriously semi funny hugged her and kissed on cheek (we were touching lightly each other). with her reciprocity.

I stayed in sex talk, I told her she know a lot about sex. Blushed plus some interesting eyebrows skills. She read lots of books about it, I asked her about kamasutra, what she liked from there, and then how she was describing it with laughter, i was trying to make impression of it.
Unfortunately, lot of deep and serious talks, about family values (she was playing conservative cart on me).Sister infidelity..MARRIAGE.
I was from start able to be playful (I did mostly things from TDOWNPLAY PROVIDER FRAMES suggested by TomInHo (mostly, except dressing good and good bar...she is younger then me and that bar is close to my place and very convenient, so I didn't go all in) I mentioned I am from poor family when she was admiring some of my expensive things (really thoughtful and nice compliments from her..). Relationships I mentioned I have commitment issues (but..i believe i ruined this perception when we talked about MARRIAGE)
I really did my best to not go to deep topics, I even played dumb..but it looked like she was sabotaging herself (btw, she told me she was one who ended all relationships..but..when somebody is cheating on you, who is actually ending it...)

I replied to her compliments with question what she likes about her appearance most..she know she is beautiful. (she had acne on her back and I told her I like it a lot..she blushed & laughed her ass of and we made it internal joke through the night in next conversations). Then she asked me, i told her i have soft skin on face, try it..she tried, I mentioned ma crispy ass-> again, crying laughing..she said she really like my face, voice, shoulders..) She mentioned my face when we talked about her favorite movies, she like my type..(i am 7/10 at best)
Then talking about cooking, making plans for restaurants, she will make me a burger or some korean,we talked a lot about cooking and plans.

So I went again with sex stuff, again, she looked excited but had very strong frame/was too shy.
Important fuck up note -> we are 2 hours in...

Recently I read article from chase about indirect invitation, asked, we went for walk in park (i live close) and i proposed on way to park to continue at my place and she said no way on first date.
Walking through park, vibe was friendly..so another fuck up. (no vibe change after her refusal to go to my place, she looked like she expected, the deep eye contact was really frequent, touching)

I told her I will walk her to her place, she was happy with it . We walked a lot, another fucking 40-50 minutes, I was tired. We went for McDonalds, waiting for uber. She was still asking me about me being sleepy.(I was fucking tired, long days in work...family stuff..)
But finally was able to open her up about dreams...she gladly spoke about it for 20 mins,...in car we flirted, she always gave me compliment! for some of my playerish talk I used, then showed me some pics of her on her phone (she told me she will wear what I asked for next time.."but I have also this" ...no sexy style but then...she mentioned one commercial she made..she was not able to play the video but there was her ass in bikini)

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Important part:

On way from car to her apartment house she asked me if I want cigarette, I told her let's no smoke, she smiled and asked why not? I told her your head will be spinning, she smiled, changed topic about flat. Some small talk in front of the door, how great was tonight, SHE WENT FOR HUG, i told her with smile "you will not have it so easy" she smiled, I went for kissed, she smiled dodged and kissed me(fucking quickly, just really like grandma kiss) on mouth. We were smiling, I told her bye, after few meters she said again she enjoyed it.

After cca 15 minutes, I am sitting in car and she sent me the commercial with bikini which I mentioned before (I told her she doesn't have to send it...i stopped her and told her multiple times during date she don't have to talk about something etc... honestly, she was very talkative and honest about some really intimate shit..but it didn't felt like typically self absorbed person who is sharing life story after one beer)
I replied "go sleep! ;) "
She "I am going I promise!"
I just sent wink.


Situation after date
Next day, in the afternoon she asked me "how did I woke up".

I replied: yesterday I i had great date with model...i had good sleep. And you? (
She sent hearts and replied: not good, I wake up very late...I am usually early bird
I asked: how so ?;)


I was not sure what to do,...I decided I will just nonchalantly reply one time and call her after work.

But she was texting back quickly, i did not want her to reject, but I did not want her to ask her out over text, I wanted to call her.(also, I did not have plan what to do and shit ton of work). So on her next msg I did not reply.
Then, before call I just replied (nonsense convo about sleep)
I called her in the evening, she answered and told me she can't speak she is on team building(true, she mentioned it before..). I told her "sending good energy"(our joke about esoteric).She laughed and I politely hanged up.

10 mins later she replied on my msg (question about slight flirting sleeping topic)

I gave her seen, answered next day on lunch with decision to call her after work immediately. She did not pick up but sent me msg she cant right now. I went to metro later, she called me...I did not hear it. Then I called back, nothing. So I went to gym, replied to her msg that I am going to gym, i do not have good signal there, I will call you later.(again evening..friday..)

She answered she can't speak later (it was already half past seven)., if I need something specific from her?
I called her...it failed, not sure if my phone or signal ..did not look like she hanged up on me..I did not called again,didn't want to look needy and let her with multiple missed calls
So I replied : yes ;)
No answer...so I was thinking...I will wait another day to call her? I felt like I have it, so I sent her msg:
If you can't speak, no worry,.. this weekend.if you would like to take a break from all stress you have, I would like to see you (I did not want her to auto reject but..)

She replied in minute -> I was procrastinated last days,I really need to work on my xyz (project and shit) little bit :(
but thank you for asking


I replied : good luck, i will contact you later

she replied right away : thanks
seen from me, no reply.


I plan to call her on Monday. No idea what type of date I should propose...we talked about cooking, I am thinking asking her to let's make pancakes at my place and then act accordingly , if she will refuse, go for bar again. She likes panoramas..
She mentioned no bf was taking her to restaurant(I was mentioning i had fight with one girl in restaurant.. in a funny way, she was laughing, and actually complimenting me that I went with girl to that specific restaurant)
But yeah..restaurant probably no. I don't mind to be in bf territory, I like her ..but it will lead to...friend at best. If I am not already there...

I honestly can believe she is going through shitty times(mentioned multiple deadlines in september) and doesn't feel like going out over weekend, maybe she wants time..., however, now when she is failing so many important projects and I failed to fuck her yesterday ...it's probably over
Date was long fucking 4 hours and going from bar she was very careful with her body language. She talked about next dates, or that she has some issues what I dont see now but..


What do you suggest cowboys?


regarding the second IG girl, will report later,looks like date next week (but I am fucking in love with Astra so maybe not :) )
 
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yeah, its a long :)

regarding the second girl, (the one which offered me to contact her over insta and after I shared with her my number and FB, she ghosted me)

I double texted her, then we get again into conversation about party life etc...and after 4-5 msg I asked her that I need help.
She enthusiastically asked how can she help.
I told her there is a girl(described her but in third person) which I for some fricking reason can't get out with me. Can you help with it? I know tinder is bs but we matched greatly, we are both hot, funny, and I believe we would hit it out pretty great ( i have great reviews on me). give me a tip baby ;)


pretty similar to my voice msg to first girl. I bet that the problem is not lack of attraction (of course it is, but I did not figure it out how to change it since I dont have better pics , i am happy with one which I have and can't display higher value) their shyness and let's call it ASD(even if it's just online)
So I told them what I actually think, that tinder is weird and unnatural, not a best place to meet but, i like you, i believe you like me, so lets test it with something low pressure (mostly Skills ideas..i guess)

We are going out on Tuesday, let's see.
Playing with it, testing, seems like more gentle, not so playerish, understanding tactic is better...to make them go on date.

But I would happily fuck it and go with just Astra Zeneca (first girl). I know previous comment is long but I would appreciate if you would suggest next step with her..
 
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