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A Night Game gig...
Before you read
Pretty sure I mainly need advisory on HB Hawaiian and general advice on the conversational lead which my bet is mostly SOT stuff/ moving forward from the Deep Dive (DD) into setting frames etc, I'm probs just a bit rusty due to other focuses but I'm back on the path a bit now.
this night was more series of approaches while I was occasionally socializing with friends, nothing real special happened tonight but this more about diagnosing weak points and just having fun as I was out celebrating a personal victory.
2 number closes one via the other chick so not too sure if I'll count it...
lots of approaches but I wore a half mask so should be pretty low key
(Also when introducing myself made Hector's Handclasp a staple to initiate touch/ compliance early, haven't listed it down there yet but like pretend it there whenever I introduce myself)
(And since music was loud at all venues besides with HB Americana, got them all leaning in to her me whisper into their ears so positive compliance points for most)
Also T= on the fence target, HB is an actual mark.
Key
Blue = Me
Red= HB/T
Green= Friend
HB Americana (fucked touch calibration/ My own ego) (Super short set)
2 set HB- Blonde 2.0 (Just a lack of dance floor game, need to get physical) (no introduction)
T Engineer (I was number closed/ on the fence)
HB Hawaiian (number close/ botched pull)
HB- sword (Just compliance stuff another super short one...) (needed to move and convo lead better)
Note on the night
There were more approaches throughout the night but these were the main ones or at least the ones I remember didn't do too many, I was the most a part approaching tactically or out of self amusement, this night was more a celebration of what I put in my journal and hanging out with friends i haven't seen in ages.
Also for future I should always have a goal or something in mind to hone for the night, pretty sure for most of this night i was just attempting to focus on too much, keep it simple run through the fundamentals of this gig and keep some things to practice in mind.
My personal Conclusion (3 keys/ what i think i need to work on)
Anything you guys pick up on would be vital to further improvement here
My outfit
Masquerade mask and black button up with an interesting design, was incognito for tonight, as I'm still returning to my old skillset, still gave out my name though so...
Event/ seduction details
Oweek's excuse for costume party, was bar/ club hopping adventure, most of these sets came later in the night because this event started pretty early for nightlife standards.
Masquerade mask and black button up with an interesting design, was incognito for tonight, as I'm still returning to my old skillset, still gave out my name though so...
Event/ seduction details
Oweek's excuse for costume party, was bar/ club hopping adventure, most of these sets came later in the night because this event started pretty early for nightlife standards.
Before you read
Pretty sure I mainly need advisory on HB Hawaiian and general advice on the conversational lead which my bet is mostly SOT stuff/ moving forward from the Deep Dive (DD) into setting frames etc, I'm probs just a bit rusty due to other focuses but I'm back on the path a bit now.
this night was more series of approaches while I was occasionally socializing with friends, nothing real special happened tonight but this more about diagnosing weak points and just having fun as I was out celebrating a personal victory.
2 number closes one via the other chick so not too sure if I'll count it...
lots of approaches but I wore a half mask so should be pretty low key
(Also when introducing myself made Hector's Handclasp a staple to initiate touch/ compliance early, haven't listed it down there yet but like pretend it there whenever I introduce myself)
(And since music was loud at all venues besides with HB Americana, got them all leaning in to her me whisper into their ears so positive compliance points for most)
Also T= on the fence target, HB is an actual mark.
Key
Blue = Me
Red= HB/T
Green= Friend
HB Americana (fucked touch calibration/ My own ego) (Super short set)
early interaction in this bar/ club hopping party
ran into this chick from the US and ran a situational open
"what are you meant to be?"
"a kangaroo"
(chick literally just had like the ears and casual clothes, but she was hot so...)
and then use intrigue to try and reach the hook
get her to guess my costume then introduce myself then back to intrigue games on where I'm from on countries
Attempt to DD a bit on where she's from, and why she came here etc
then somehow I end up guessing her course before she ends up guessing mine (reverse hooked myself tf)
when we had to leave which was where I fucked up attempted to put my arm around her waist and lead her (Did this too early, should have compliance tested more or bantered on the bus or something)
she didn't outright reject the touch now that I'm reminiscing but she said she had to wait for her friends who were like a few cms away
(fuck it, after writing this down that was totally an overreaction on my end, should have stayed in set and just talked more...)
think I caught a few looks from this HB at the next venue anyway before someone else hit her up.
my bad HB, this is purely an ego me thing.
ran into this chick from the US and ran a situational open
"what are you meant to be?"
"a kangaroo"
(chick literally just had like the ears and casual clothes, but she was hot so...)
and then use intrigue to try and reach the hook
get her to guess my costume then introduce myself then back to intrigue games on where I'm from on countries
Attempt to DD a bit on where she's from, and why she came here etc
then somehow I end up guessing her course before she ends up guessing mine (reverse hooked myself tf)
when we had to leave which was where I fucked up attempted to put my arm around her waist and lead her (Did this too early, should have compliance tested more or bantered on the bus or something)
she didn't outright reject the touch now that I'm reminiscing but she said she had to wait for her friends who were like a few cms away
(fuck it, after writing this down that was totally an overreaction on my end, should have stayed in set and just talked more...)
think I caught a few looks from this HB at the next venue anyway before someone else hit her up.
my bad HB, this is purely an ego me thing.
2 set HB- Blonde 2.0 (Just a lack of dance floor game, need to get physical) (no introduction)
Am passing through the bar and this girl points at me and tries to get me to take off the mask (i am dedicated to my costume and to my own secrecy...) i refuse with a smirk and give her this hat some random chicks gave me prior, think i said it would go to a hot blonde anyway before walking off to check something then came to find my wing of sorts and witness my gift thrown away
(didn't really care too much as i got it from some random partygoer during the night)
(i managed to pick up this international kid while i was building social momentum who was apparently inspired by how i socialise and wishes to learn my ways, i tried to distil some advice from here down to him cause he asked about contact grabs and all, I still got a lot to implement and improve at though, no clue how he went at the end of the night lost him when i went stag at last venue to prioritise active practice )
her other hotter friend witnesses this and laughs
I reopen dramatically saying " I'm heartbroken..." while holding a smirk
end up dancing/ singing with them for a bit until they eventually leave, the other hotter friend is like bye then they move further into the dance floor
Lesson- I really need to learn dance floor game or get them off and talking at the bar, currently for me the dance floor is still a death trap.
still overcompensating for one bad experience last year with an attention whore so need to fix that mental block or stick to verbals...
Also at least attempting a spin beats nothing...
(didn't really care too much as i got it from some random partygoer during the night)
(i managed to pick up this international kid while i was building social momentum who was apparently inspired by how i socialise and wishes to learn my ways, i tried to distil some advice from here down to him cause he asked about contact grabs and all, I still got a lot to implement and improve at though, no clue how he went at the end of the night lost him when i went stag at last venue to prioritise active practice )
her other hotter friend witnesses this and laughs
I reopen dramatically saying " I'm heartbroken..." while holding a smirk
end up dancing/ singing with them for a bit until they eventually leave, the other hotter friend is like bye then they move further into the dance floor
Lesson- I really need to learn dance floor game or get them off and talking at the bar, currently for me the dance floor is still a death trap.
still overcompensating for one bad experience last year with an attention whore so need to fix that mental block or stick to verbals...
Also at least attempting a spin beats nothing...
T Engineer (I was number closed/ on the fence)
was introduced to this chick, pretty high interest after talking for a bit was able to quickly move her after being introduced by my friend, was delving into DD's about why she's an engineer and all and i would getting indirect touch because her tits were constantly on my arm so I helped her push that agenda but I just wasn't that into it.
I mean she seemed chill but not tonight
so after talking for a bit DD on family and her work, where she's from, i was like I'm going to head off and find my friend and she tagged with me. Then one of us disappeared (probably me after seeing someone I wanted to talk to)
Friend is like
"she's super chill and have you seen her place? has like a badminton court and shit"
ran through a few more approaches for the night
ended up running into her again when i found my friend and i talked to him for a bit before she jumped in asking me about how with the course i was doing i could totally help find something she was looking for and asking if I was going to this other uni party.
i was just going to give her my socials (friend-zone, see what she tries to pull later on) then she pretty much had none so i was just like fuck it, gave my number following my standard procedure (number then call from HB's phone)
got a double text once the night was over asking if I got home
probably should have attempted to pull for experience but it's personal standards + i wasn't super into it
I mean she seemed chill but not tonight
so after talking for a bit DD on family and her work, where she's from, i was like I'm going to head off and find my friend and she tagged with me. Then one of us disappeared (probably me after seeing someone I wanted to talk to)
Friend is like
"she's super chill and have you seen her place? has like a badminton court and shit"
ran through a few more approaches for the night
ended up running into her again when i found my friend and i talked to him for a bit before she jumped in asking me about how with the course i was doing i could totally help find something she was looking for and asking if I was going to this other uni party.
i was just going to give her my socials (friend-zone, see what she tries to pull later on) then she pretty much had none so i was just like fuck it, gave my number following my standard procedure (number then call from HB's phone)
got a double text once the night was over asking if I got home
probably should have attempted to pull for experience but it's personal standards + i wasn't super into it
HB Hawaiian (number close/ botched pull)
more a Bacchus style approach, was at the bar about to get a drink when I saw a 2 set beside me, so I use an attention grab or Marcellus's double shoulder tap (cheers bro)
SECT was decent
proximity- was solid and close
Eye contact- was okay, needed to be intensified by my intent (skills containment post)
touch- Hector Handclasp but needed more
Speak- need to practice persistence, otherwise my voice should have been deep enough
Interaction
open with how's your night going and follow up with what she's drinking then lead the topic into what she does
"Medicine"
so your smart? (Class this as a challenge??)
"no not really laughs" (takes her self down a peg)
(then attempt to use intrigue to obtain a hook)
she follows up and asks what course I do
so I tell her to guess my course
attempt to DD a bit here
go into a bit of motivation of why she wants to do what she wants to do
(also fuck up a bit here by mentioning money "are you rich?", maybe set a bit of a gold digger frame on my end, even if i'm teasing)
(I mean can be seen as challenge but, a convo like this should be focused on being genuine and sexy, not so much other value. best things come from things based of sex for sex as per what is taught here.)
use golden question revamped
"if I were to ask you what you do for fun besides eating, sleeping and partying what would you say?"
go into her former athlete past talk a bit about that...
and she says she goes to the gym a bit
plus the music stuff I mention further down.
"I can tell you workout" (SOI/ positive Qualifying statement for her compliance)
where she's from (out of town, I lead this into logistics after she asks about where I'm from)
I also screen a bit based off her response
"are you a beach chick"
"sort of but I don't surf yet"
"that can be fixed, I can teach you some time" (seed)
"yeah for sure" (something among those lines but it's a yes)
am also figuring out logistics (lives on the dorms, no roommates etc)
(think I botched this part a bit) (miscalibrated implied pull)
it came up that she liked and had some music talent and I'm a sucker for singers so of course I ask
"do you sing?"
"I'm alright at it..."
at some point I mention how I haven't been on res yet (implied pull/sloppy work.)
(think this killed my attainability (too thirsty/ easy?))
(lost some interest after this)
I think her friend gets her attention and she breaks circle for a bit
then comes back to me
I go for compliance again when I should have rebuilt some ground
i talked for a little bit about how x does this
say we should grab our drinks and head over to a place where we can talk with less music
says she's going to dance with her friends
(brain is like fuck, okay ABC then)
(should have persisted hence it being a sticking point)
say we should get coffee sometime
and shes like yeah
then I number grab (my usual routine number in her phone and then I call from her phone once I type my number in)
she adds on to it by sending me a text
hb-Hawaiian X
(I mean extra compliance points, no complaints I guess)
then she heads off to dance
no clue if I saw other dudes pull her or some similar looking chick, wondering if this was just a validation thing but i should still follow up on this one, action is the only way to find the answers I seek, low odds or no
need the reference points and to get back to the point I was at before/ exceed it.
SECT was decent
proximity- was solid and close
Eye contact- was okay, needed to be intensified by my intent (skills containment post)
touch- Hector Handclasp but needed more
Speak- need to practice persistence, otherwise my voice should have been deep enough
Interaction
open with how's your night going and follow up with what she's drinking then lead the topic into what she does
"Medicine"
so your smart? (Class this as a challenge??)
"no not really laughs" (takes her self down a peg)
(then attempt to use intrigue to obtain a hook)
she follows up and asks what course I do
so I tell her to guess my course
attempt to DD a bit here
go into a bit of motivation of why she wants to do what she wants to do
(also fuck up a bit here by mentioning money "are you rich?", maybe set a bit of a gold digger frame on my end, even if i'm teasing)
(I mean can be seen as challenge but, a convo like this should be focused on being genuine and sexy, not so much other value. best things come from things based of sex for sex as per what is taught here.)
use golden question revamped
"if I were to ask you what you do for fun besides eating, sleeping and partying what would you say?"
go into her former athlete past talk a bit about that...
and she says she goes to the gym a bit
plus the music stuff I mention further down.
"I can tell you workout" (SOI/ positive Qualifying statement for her compliance)
where she's from (out of town, I lead this into logistics after she asks about where I'm from)
I also screen a bit based off her response
"are you a beach chick"
"sort of but I don't surf yet"
"that can be fixed, I can teach you some time" (seed)
"yeah for sure" (something among those lines but it's a yes)
am also figuring out logistics (lives on the dorms, no roommates etc)
(think I botched this part a bit) (miscalibrated implied pull)
it came up that she liked and had some music talent and I'm a sucker for singers so of course I ask
"do you sing?"
"I'm alright at it..."
at some point I mention how I haven't been on res yet (implied pull/sloppy work.)
(think this killed my attainability (too thirsty/ easy?))
(lost some interest after this)
I think her friend gets her attention and she breaks circle for a bit
then comes back to me
I go for compliance again when I should have rebuilt some ground
i talked for a little bit about how x does this
say we should grab our drinks and head over to a place where we can talk with less music
says she's going to dance with her friends
(brain is like fuck, okay ABC then)
(should have persisted hence it being a sticking point)
say we should get coffee sometime
and shes like yeah
then I number grab (my usual routine number in her phone and then I call from her phone once I type my number in)
she adds on to it by sending me a text
hb-Hawaiian X
(I mean extra compliance points, no complaints I guess)
then she heads off to dance
no clue if I saw other dudes pull her or some similar looking chick, wondering if this was just a validation thing but i should still follow up on this one, action is the only way to find the answers I seek, low odds or no
need the reference points and to get back to the point I was at before/ exceed it.
HB- sword (Just compliance stuff another super short one...) (needed to move and convo lead better)
Spotted her when i walked around who talked to some dudes who we in front of me, was a quick convo then i opened from my side
"what are you meant to be?"
she had a sword but in some blue shirt which showed off a bit
"a nurse"
"whats with the sword?"
says something about ending up with it somehow then i quickly move to an introduction (hector handclasp again)
then i quickly move her to spot under the guise of we talk better here
(hint we did not, music was still loud as fuck)
talk for a bit there about her course and why she's into it, get her to guess what sort of course I'm doing again to attempt to establish a hook before moving again to some chairs, she complies but quickly says she has to talk to some friends so she does that then comes back after a super short convo
(pretty sure this is some sort of compliance break/ flip thing, feel free to enlighten me...)
Then after the transition i mess up my conversational lead again (really need to work on leading it towards SOT's) after this I'm dead in the water, so she says she's heading off to find her friends.
The Lesson here?
We're decent at moving chicks/ getting some decent compliance quickly but we didn't learn from the masquerade, move tactically, better plan would have been to move to a spot legitimately where we could talk which I knew was good instead of taking a bet on random spot furthermore transition points here.
On Another Note
also vaguely remember talking and moving another chick throughout the night and messing around with compliance, think i tried to to get her to take off her heels to prove her real height (somehow the convo ended up at height and how she's secretly a midget, (she was tall for a chick)), did not work ):
"what are you meant to be?"
she had a sword but in some blue shirt which showed off a bit
"a nurse"
"whats with the sword?"
says something about ending up with it somehow then i quickly move to an introduction (hector handclasp again)
then i quickly move her to spot under the guise of we talk better here
(hint we did not, music was still loud as fuck)
talk for a bit there about her course and why she's into it, get her to guess what sort of course I'm doing again to attempt to establish a hook before moving again to some chairs, she complies but quickly says she has to talk to some friends so she does that then comes back after a super short convo
(pretty sure this is some sort of compliance break/ flip thing, feel free to enlighten me...)
Then after the transition i mess up my conversational lead again (really need to work on leading it towards SOT's) after this I'm dead in the water, so she says she's heading off to find her friends.
The Lesson here?
We're decent at moving chicks/ getting some decent compliance quickly but we didn't learn from the masquerade, move tactically, better plan would have been to move to a spot legitimately where we could talk which I knew was good instead of taking a bet on random spot furthermore transition points here.
On Another Note
also vaguely remember talking and moving another chick throughout the night and messing around with compliance, think i tried to to get her to take off her heels to prove her real height (somehow the convo ended up at height and how she's secretly a midget, (she was tall for a chick)), did not work ):
Note on the night
There were more approaches throughout the night but these were the main ones or at least the ones I remember didn't do too many, I was the most a part approaching tactically or out of self amusement, this night was more a celebration of what I put in my journal and hanging out with friends i haven't seen in ages.
Also for future I should always have a goal or something in mind to hone for the night, pretty sure for most of this night i was just attempting to focus on too much, keep it simple run through the fundamentals of this gig and keep some things to practice in mind.
My personal Conclusion (3 keys/ what i think i need to work on)
Needs work?
was missing a few things from these interactions
and tbh I should have revised over my notes on GC before heading out and practicing this and had some set things I wanted to practice.
Chase Frames for one were needed, should be using every silver bullet in my arsenal
Persistence- enough said, more on this in my journal but it's pretty basic
The intrigue to build to the hook could also use some switching up, play enough of these games and you'd get bored pretty quick. So limiting this and switching to banter/ Cold read (insight)/ rainbow ruse should assist our hook more/ could always switch to the rate your night gambit.
Calibration
usually I'm fine in this department but I have no clue what was up tonight, maybe was just tired after big day but should be sharper here.
GC Frame setting/ conversation control, seem to have gone back to an overfocus on the Deep Dive, need to able to control the convo better and lead it to SOTs and eventually sex talk Gambits to escalate the vibe
In relation to the three Keys for tonight in general
Social frame- Had good fundamentals, should have come off like a pretty chill dude for the most part, maybe weak conversational lead in some aspects would have thrown me off
Emotional Stimulation- Feel like this was lacking due to lack of proper conversational lead, needed to have containment covered more with intent and lead towards talking about emotions to activate emotional contagion
Sexual arousal- I mean Micro Escalations were there (60YOC) eye contact and all, but needed more touch or to switch to sex talk Gambits but the music was loud but it let me get extra touch in via whispering.
was missing a few things from these interactions
and tbh I should have revised over my notes on GC before heading out and practicing this and had some set things I wanted to practice.
Chase Frames for one were needed, should be using every silver bullet in my arsenal
Persistence- enough said, more on this in my journal but it's pretty basic
The intrigue to build to the hook could also use some switching up, play enough of these games and you'd get bored pretty quick. So limiting this and switching to banter/ Cold read (insight)/ rainbow ruse should assist our hook more/ could always switch to the rate your night gambit.
Calibration
usually I'm fine in this department but I have no clue what was up tonight, maybe was just tired after big day but should be sharper here.
GC Frame setting/ conversation control, seem to have gone back to an overfocus on the Deep Dive, need to able to control the convo better and lead it to SOTs and eventually sex talk Gambits to escalate the vibe
In relation to the three Keys for tonight in general
Social frame- Had good fundamentals, should have come off like a pretty chill dude for the most part, maybe weak conversational lead in some aspects would have thrown me off
Emotional Stimulation- Feel like this was lacking due to lack of proper conversational lead, needed to have containment covered more with intent and lead towards talking about emotions to activate emotional contagion
Sexual arousal- I mean Micro Escalations were there (60YOC) eye contact and all, but needed more touch or to switch to sex talk Gambits but the music was loud but it let me get extra touch in via whispering.
Anything you guys pick up on would be vital to further improvement here
