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Cro-Magnon Man
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I actually don't want help. I need someone to tell me what to do. :)

Im still getting mixed signals from the girl from this thread https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=478

Now I thought I'd got past this TBH but it's still unresolved so I need you guys to tell me wether I should just forget it or not.

I'm still getting this on and off stuff. One day she'll be smiley and greet me, and the next day she won't. Its a craziness I just can't get my head round. She obviously is interested in me, maybe even sexually, but I don't get the off and on stuff. She's not playing games so far as I can tell, and when she does engage me the BL is great and she doesn't take her eyes off me. But again next day she won't even say hello.

I seemingly can't isolate her and even when I do, what the hell am I supposed to say? I can't really pull her up on it without making a big deal over it.

Sorry for this partial rant and thanks for any help :)
 

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This girl's boggling your head, right?

Easiest way I've found to clear things up in a snap with anyone who's driving you crazy: give them something to do and see if they'll do it. If yes - great! Keep giving them more things to do and move ahead. If not - also great. Stop spending time on them and move on.

With girls, this generally means requesting / demanding compliance of some sort. Stop flirting, and start moving things forward. She either goes for it, or she doesn't.

I scanned the post, and there's a lot of positioning and maneuvering and subtle stuff going on in there, and speculation on what different things she's saying and doing mean.

Check this post out - I know you've read it already, but it'll be good as a refresher:

Reactions from Women or Results with Women?

There are women who will flirt with you like crazy - touch you, tease you, get into intimate conversation with you, make out with you, even grab your cock - who will absolutely REFUSE to go home with you and go to bed with you, no matter what you do. You could buy them a mansion in Bel Air or get yourself made over to look like Brad Pitt and they'll still just laugh and giggle and flirt and keep their legs closed. These girls are generally referred to be the old-but-accurate term of "cocktease." It's possible to get a cocktease, but you need to get her FAST, very soon after meeting her, and you need to ramp up compliance fast and lead her fast. The instant she starts putting her charms on you and seeing it work, game over, you're just another fella in her orbit.

Alternatively, there are girls who will never flirt ever, under any circumstances, but they will go with you when you invite them to, they will do the things you ask them to, and they will sleep with you when you make moves. You'd never know it if all you did was look for signs instead of approach, ask, and escalate, though.

And, there are girls who flirt, and then go with you when you ask them to, and girls who don't flirt and won't.

Point is, if you go based off reactions you'll go mad.

Base how interested you think a girl is off the results you get with her. Ask her for compliance, and see what she does. If you get it, charm her a little bit as a reward and then escalate compliance. Then keep escalating how invested she is until she's chasing and you're leading and you set up a date and take her home and take her as your lover.

If she won't do that, it doesn't matter how many times she brushes past you, giggles, or flirts... she ain't coming home with you ;)

Look for the girls you can get something real and substantial with (e.g., they're investing and following your leadership), and let the other guys waste time hoping and dreaming with the girls playing Flirty Gertie with them.

Chase
 

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Cro-Magnon Man
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Hey thanks for the impressively quick reply, but the point is I actually do get some compliance some of the time. She isn't a flirty gertie either. I don't know maybe she just really want to be friends and doesn't spend enough time with me to actually become friends. It's almost as if she wants to keep it under the radar but she doesn't actually want to commit to anything either with me or herself.

It's all very confusing and not something I can put with anything else I've experienced. I should say that although it is very confusing it's not stopping me from gaming other girls it's just something that hovering about in an unresolved manner.

She's very touchy feely with me, when we're alone, and I've only really seen her be this way with one other guy but that could be just the way she is... I guess...

Thanks anyway, probably the best way is just to blow it out completely.
 

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Right read that post and boiling it down your saying I should trust my instincts, but I need to be looking more towards results rather than reactions.

Makes somewhat sense, my instincts are saying she's into me, but I'm wasting a lot of time I could be spending, with easier girls.

Which still isn't helping me :)
 

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Flames said:
Right read that post and boiling it down your saying I should trust my instincts, but I need to be looking more towards results rather than reactions.

Makes somewhat sense, my instincts are saying she's into me, but I'm wasting a lot of time I could be spending, with easier girls.

Which still isn't helping me :)

I've worked with a few women like that back when I was in the corporate world.

One was this beautiful 40 year old secretary for the big boss who really knew how to work her sexual powers. Tight body, gorgeous face, and a voice that absolutely purred. She'd always wear these tight, slinky dresses that showed off a lot of skin in an otherwise conservative office environment, and she'd make you feel like she was totally focused on you and interested whenever you talked to her. Laughed at your jokes, touched you a fair amount, but it was never too much, it was always... almost sincere. She was adept at avoiding men's attempts to pin her down though - even I tried, and I never went for women that much older than me (I was 25 or 26 at the time) - but she was such a sexy minx I had to give it a shot.

Eventually I realized that was just her way with men, and it was how she got what she wanted at work. She was great at taking things just to the brink with the men around her, finding ways to get relatively one-on-one with them when she did it (dropping by to pass along a note, etc.) and not doing it in front of others, so it always felt special. But she never let herself get trapped by the chasing and desire she inspired in men. She played the men around her like fiddles... she was good.

Well, you could plow time into her, but the better way is to simply air it out and be forthright about it.

Think about it: if she DOES dig you, and you say, "I want us to grab some food or a drink next week - when's good?"

If she really digs you...

Like, HONESTLY...

Is she going to keep evading? Why?

Of course not. Women who like you don't get uncomfortable when you ask them out... they get EXCITED!

That's all you've got to do. Pin her down. Try and get her out. If she's excited and says yes - there's your answer; she digs you, and it was what she was hoping for. If she's uncomfortable and makes up excuses and slip-slides her way out of it - there's your answer; she liked you right where you were, as an admirer and a flirting buddy, and she's not thrilled you've decided you want to push to be more than that and not content yourself to hang there in awkward "does she or doesn't she?" land until one of you retires.

Pin her down and ask her out. Move things forward with her. If she assents, she likes you as a romantic or sexual partner. If she evades, she likes you... being in her orbit.

Also, bear in mind, women don't necessarily want EVERY man in their orbits. I've had girlfriends who really only flirted with a couple of guys at work, because they found these guys the most handsome / charming / intelligent, and they enjoyed being pursued by men like that. When those guys would start pushing for dates though, these girls would get pretty upset, because the guy didn't seem to know his place. I tried explaining that of COURSE the guy is going to think he can get something when you're flirting with him; they'll just say 1) why can't we just be friends? then later 2) I like that these guys are chasing after me and trying to get me!

Women know what they're doing. They get the highest quality guys they can get to chase them, then keep those guys in orbit.

If you had your pick, who would you rather have chasing after you - fat girls or supermodels? Yeah, sure... the supermodels. Even if you were totally monogamous with your girl, or you don't really dig girls without educations, for instance... it still feels better to have hotties chasing you down than it does the alternative.

Chicks do the same thing. There's the hottie they date, and the hotties they have in orbit.

Ask her out, and you'll know right away which one she sees you as.

Chase
 

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Thanks again.

It doesnt sound too much like she's the same as that women you knew. I wouldnt have thought she wouldnt say 'hi' now would she? She's nervous excited, she becomes incredibly 'ditzy' when she's like this, but again when 'in a good phase' (for want of a better phrase) she's really quite smart, not super smart though, plus she's not the power women type either.

That being said I do get what your saying it's time to push it forward now, although that's probably going to take more effort than I should put in. It's going to need me to physically move her, to isolate her, and then be able casually ask her out (or usually just to do something together as I never do 'dates').

What do you think about just teasing her about her not talking to me? That's probably just going to upset her right?
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Flames said:
What do you think about just teasing her about her not talking to me? That's probably just going to upset her right?

When people have known each other for too long and maintained a certain kind of rapport too long, it becomes expected by both parties that that is how they interact together, and anything diverging from that course is shocking or weird. The more you keep it just to teasing, the more she's going to see Flames as her work teasing buddy that she has some sexual intrigue and flirtation with, and the heavier a boulder you're going to have to move to ever get to the point where you can make something happen with her and not perpetually be flirting and wondering, "What if?"

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Hmm I get that..

Essentially I've no problems with her not talking to me when 'at work' and being warm and friendly when one to one, that is in fact what I want but being all over the place without explanation isn't getting 'us' anywhere.
 

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I've spent a really cool half hour with her at work where we just dropped into rapport laughing and giggling at each other about nothing in particular.

She dropped a few subtle things either deliberately or by mistake, she mentioned 'This is the kind of relationship we have', which is odd to me, and also mentioned some situation we'd previously been in, so I'm not totally out of her thoughts.

Anyway I'm just going to have to accept this I think, IF and only IF she wants something she'll have it on her terms and no doubt she'll let me know. It's not the best of positions as a man to be in, but this isn't a normal situation either. It's beyond anything I've ever experienced and beyond a reasonable explanation.

One thing is certain I have no game at all around this girl, but then again I don't really need it it seems.

Anyway I was buzzed that much that I actually made a lot of headway on this other girl I've been hitting on, and this one is actually quite sane (for a girl).
 
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