Veterans - If you had to start over as 21 year old today in 2020....

[West_Indian_Archie]

How would you do it?

I'm spending this morning, working from home and deciding to open a retirement account.
Got me thinking about the years "wasted" learning pick up in night clubs. (It actually made me money via people and leadership skills.)

That said, even without the plague keeping people cooped up, I would have a hard time going out 4-6 nights a week for 7 years straight. (the first 3 months was the learning part, the rest of it was enjoying and refining).

I think if were to do it today.

Cash and Time - I'd need an online source of income. Not Lamborghini money, but gross 5-6K, net 3K to 3500. Enough for an efficiency/single bed room NEAR the party district. The online aspect is to free up time. It's way easier to slay chicks when you have infinite time.

Fitness - I'd have to take working out seriously. Not being the proper BMI makes a guy uncompetitive. But having a 6 pack doesn't make girls swoon.

Face to Face Girl/Social Situations -

The thing that makes guys good at this is talking to girls, face to face. There is no substitute, there are no hacks around it. You talk, you talk some more, you stop being bad, you start getting good, and then it becomes a part of you.

How though?

I'd need an offline job that puts me in front of people, but not necessarily in a position of weakness.

Back in the day the best jobs for a player, specifically cold approach night game, have been working in the hospitality industry - bartender, promoter, and to lesser extents bouncer, dj, waiter. Not only are you dealing with the general female public, and they're trying to gain your favor, you also deal with hotter than average female co-workers. (assuming you're in a tier 1 city).

Plenty of jobs put guys in touch with females, (uber and most gig jobs), but most of the time the social dynamics are she is the customer and you're her employee. So for her to see you as someone capable of fucking the shit out of her, the roles need to reverse.

These days, one of the easiest ways to fuck chicks is to be a personal trainer - but what fit guy is really trying to fuck fatties?

I really do feel for young guys trying to learn how to deal with chicks by learning day game. I'd shoot myself if I had to run after tourists and recent immigrants, and shoot my shot as they wonder why I'm talking to them. Day Game should be by and by, not a hunting expedition, in my opinion

So that really leaves the online aspects of the game that weren't big deals coming up.

Social Media and Dating Apps - In my view, a guy really has to live an "awesome" life in order to truly capitalize on the new normal.

But most awesome lives in Insta, Youtube, SC are not candid pics to a guy living an awesome life, but a curated experience that only shows the best parts. And the fact that everyone is essentially lying about their awesome lives doesn't mean that there's any currency to be gained by being "truthful". There are plenty of dorks on social media showing you who they really are.

So on day to day basis, I'd really have to be intentional.

If you work a desk job like myself, there's not really much opportunity to take cool pics, because your life isn't that cool.

>Lemme take a screenshot of this excel spreadsheet of customers and client's I'm analyzing.

Do I want to be a jet setting photographer? Musician on stage? Park Ranger showing all of Nature's beauty? Fashion Model?

No, No, No, and No.

But headed back to college, would it be possible to craft a career that would be photogenic?

In conclusion

I was lucky to learn game when I learned it. I'm not sure how guys would approach it today because those same conditions don't really exist today.

What would you guys do?

WIA

 

[trashKENNUT]

What would you guys do?

Money to Sustain:

- SMMA
- 3-10 clients paying 1k per month

It's not that hard once you build a guideline to how things are done, and what to do, prevent complacency. Thus you focus important part which is just solving things.

School/Part time Job
- Dancer
- Nonprofit
- Photography
- Piano, Guitar club

Jobs:
- Freelancer because you already have money from SMMA
- Middle level management to understand politics

Events:
- Non profit/government jobs, events to understand politics

Online:
- Photos taken from school, jobs, events. Use for Online dating apps

That's what I do if someone asked me how to find out what you really want. And in a sense, if I were blessed to properly start my life again.
I'm not sure if I am the right person to answer this but yea.

z@c+

 

[DonGately]

WIA, great to see you again buddy!

Instead of starting in IBD like I did, I'd start in S+T on Wall Street/The City - you make big money at a young age with great benefits, you're off the desk by 5-6, you talk to customers and senior people and counterparties all day, practicing your prattle. There are very definitely a nice minority of hot chicks on the trading floor even if only as trading assistants, you meet other hot young people in line at SBUX, lunch, at the gym after work of course, happy hours. You're well-dressed, you come across as smart and successful and should be stylish. You go to very high-end dinners and conferences with ultra-HNW clients or hedge fund managers with real money [and super hot ass'ts] and network with the real movers and shakers of the industry.

Best part is after a few years it's normal to take a couple years off for your MBA/other degree or even a year off to see the world and pick up all the chicks you want doing either.

You make enough $ to have a very cool and curated IG collection -- vacations in Ibiza, trips to Vegas/Miami, the best dining and clubs, et al.

Online I'd flip sports cards or luxury goods to supplement my income in addition to +ev opportunities in casinos and betting sports online [the bonuses alone make it worth your while]. Any # of online hustles work here.

 

[Sub-Zero]

I really do feel for young guys trying to learn how to deal with chicks by learning day game. I'd shoot myself if I had to run after tourists and recent immigrants, and shoot my shot as they wonder why I'm talking to them. Day Game should be by and by, not a hunting expedition, in my opinion

I was lucky to learn game when I learned it. I'm not sure how guys would approach it today because those same conditions don't really exist today.

WIA

I didn’t know day game was this bad now. I thought that was the only option left with everyone trying to pick up on social media now.

 

[DarkKnight]

I don't know if I count as a veteran in your book... but I am above 30 years old now... The thought of returning to my 21st is a daily occurance, filled with bitter regret about things I could change, and things that I could not. In that sense I feel compelled to react to this post. The feeling of loss.. is what gives me the greatest drive these days and why I never leave things on chance anymore.

Things I would switch up:
1. immediately change diet.. no more crappy food.
2. No more social circle and hanging out with groups.. build my own value up even faster so people can orbit around me.
3. Take way things much less seriously
4. Not focus on girls who are of my own background. I have passed up a lot of women because I had been trained to focus on girls who were supposed to be marriage material for me. This came from heavy social conditioning.. Now adays I am a free agent and I actively avoid thus said girls, not because they are horrible creatures, but because I value my independence and feel no strong urge to settle, yet. Of all things in my life.. this focusing on my own background thing has probably been the single most sabotaging variable in more way than one.
5. In general show more balls, be less considerate

 

[DonGately]

When in NYC or any city, parks, grocery & book stores should be your go-to for learning these 1 on 1 interactions, coffee shops if you can isolate them as well. I'd also say, in bars/lounges girls are often much more receptive to being picked up than you think. Hot girls may put up a tough front for the past 30 seconds to see if you will turn tail and run like a beta, but many, many have told me over the decades they are immediately impressed by any guy who has the balls to approach in that environment. And girls in NYC come from all over the country/world, so that hot babe you spotted may be a sweet southern belle with no bitch-shields but you won't know until you speak with her. Or a fashion model who just moved here, is stuck in a 2bd apt with 3 other girls and no friends.