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Can I get a quick rundown on this?
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Natural game can be 2 fold:
- a guy who develops it naturally through pure instinct. He is just good with girls, without knowing why it happens.
- a super advanced guy who, after years of study and practice in-field, don't have to think about it anymore (if he doesn't want to)...he just goes out and do it.
- a guy who develops it naturally through pure instinct. He is just good with girls, without knowing why it happens.
- a super advanced guy who, after years of study and practice in-field, don't have to think about it anymore (if he doesn't want to)...he just goes out and do it.
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I've seen this term.
I feel it helps round out the picture of how illusory/delusional some perspectives can be.
The male-leaning love of analysis, structure and logic paints a picture and it's going to have a lot of nice, straight lines. It can get pretty far removed from reality.
For my part, I would say your 'natural' is a guy who for whatever reason has enough emotional development, tools and awareness to readily meet his needs/desires with women without much obvious help or guidance. More 'out the gate' ready than most.
Or did you not notice, beyond most of these effective so called 'techniques' that you can learn, usually there is a heathy emotional conclusion that can be reverse-engineered out of why it functions successfully. Or, on the twisted side, perhaps manipulation...
Maybe one is just emulating the extension of an otherwise healthy/attractive emotion/behavior, without having that internal development oneself... maybe, over time, you become a 'natural.'
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I feel it helps round out the picture of how illusory/delusional some perspectives can be.
The male-leaning love of analysis, structure and logic paints a picture and it's going to have a lot of nice, straight lines. It can get pretty far removed from reality.
For my part, I would say your 'natural' is a guy who for whatever reason has enough emotional development, tools and awareness to readily meet his needs/desires with women without much obvious help or guidance. More 'out the gate' ready than most.
Or did you not notice, beyond most of these effective so called 'techniques' that you can learn, usually there is a heathy emotional conclusion that can be reverse-engineered out of why it functions successfully. Or, on the twisted side, perhaps manipulation...
Maybe one is just emulating the extension of an otherwise healthy/attractive emotion/behavior, without having that internal development oneself... maybe, over time, you become a 'natural.'
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As a pua marketing term, it means not scripted. Natural Game was supposed to counter canned game/scripted game.
Canned game is having prepared opening lines, jokes, stories, and "gambits".
In practice, entire interaction is not scripted, but technique handles attraction, builds trust, helps with transport, and builds sexual arousal. Very few pulls are textbook, but a lot of pulls follow the same patterns. Not just your own, but everyone that does.
In terms of a practical matter, with natural game, the timeline doesn't change, it's still open, attract, trust, transport, close.
But the method of attract and trust are very different.
Rather than predictable responses from scripts, the mechanism is emotional transfer.
A player can improvise his opener with canned game. Emotional transfer isn't improvisation.
You feel good, you show it, and they feel good. Your emotions transfer to others.
The classic example is this one. It's difficult to describe in text and have the reader believe. So guys use video.
The unfeeling crowd sees what he's doing. He's not dancing well, at all. That might even be the point of his dancing. He's not competing or even trying to get attention. He's busy feeling it.
But the vibe just lets other people be open to their own feelings. They are less self conscious. And they start to dance.
Emotional transfer is what turns a crowd into a mob or into a party. It's an everyday observable fact, not some woo woo bs. So much so that we make laws about it. (It's possible to incite a riot, thus it's illegal to incite a riot ).
On a smaller scale, you bring your "energy" to a set. The set doesn't necessarily like you or your energy at first. They might mock you. But a lot of sets eventually get into your energy.
Once they're in, then the target gets into it, the set encourages the energy between you two. That creates the "bond". Trust is assumed.
In terms of creating the heat/arousal necessary for the actual hook up, within the model (imo), the scenario has to be just right.
Spring Break, vacation, holiday, special occasion, mind altering substances, etc. She has to feel "free". Those scenarios are very common, don't get me wrong. But they aren't every night game scenario.
This is where they old school techniques actually shine imo. But the natural game, where everything has to be in the flow isn't the best. That said the goal is for everyone night to be epic. That's the mental model for natural game.
Different guys modify the natural game, and create vibes and frames that are less freeform than a purely natural game.
When the vibe is off, and you're just the life of the party, I think you still need some bit of structure and technique or frame. A chick can see Mr Good Times as just that.
Females tend to go along with a lot in the name of fun, until things get real. That's why they like to flirt. Flirt with guys, flirt with danger, flirt with dangerous guys.
I don't think "natural" game is easy to do for noobs. It's hard enough to understand, and not easy to put into practice.
For success, He has to have a good vibe and good energy going in and a tough skin for the rejection.
A lot of his good vibe depends on the guy getting into state, or always being in state.
And once you go down that road of "state" or "flow" , it's about getting help with trauma, deprogramming yourself, meditation, etc. All of us have internal blocks as well as social programming that stops us from chatting up everyone we see.
Tyler gets into this with Blueprint but this the realm of psychologist, psychiatrist, and philosophers.
This is literally that red pill/blue pill Matrix stuff. Can you see the strings being pulled on all human action, AND be able to do something about it?
Those things are all good, don't get me wrong. But it's a much longer road imo. And realistically to stick with pickup a guy needs actual results directly attributed to pickup. That was the value in canned game.
3's and 7's gets reaction.
"Who lies more" gets reaction.
Getting in state and talking to random girls is very hit and miss.
Canned game is having prepared opening lines, jokes, stories, and "gambits".
In practice, entire interaction is not scripted, but technique handles attraction, builds trust, helps with transport, and builds sexual arousal. Very few pulls are textbook, but a lot of pulls follow the same patterns. Not just your own, but everyone that does.
In terms of a practical matter, with natural game, the timeline doesn't change, it's still open, attract, trust, transport, close.
But the method of attract and trust are very different.
Rather than predictable responses from scripts, the mechanism is emotional transfer.
A player can improvise his opener with canned game. Emotional transfer isn't improvisation.
You feel good, you show it, and they feel good. Your emotions transfer to others.
The classic example is this one. It's difficult to describe in text and have the reader believe. So guys use video.
The unfeeling crowd sees what he's doing. He's not dancing well, at all. That might even be the point of his dancing. He's not competing or even trying to get attention. He's busy feeling it.
But the vibe just lets other people be open to their own feelings. They are less self conscious. And they start to dance.
Emotional transfer is what turns a crowd into a mob or into a party. It's an everyday observable fact, not some woo woo bs. So much so that we make laws about it. (It's possible to incite a riot, thus it's illegal to incite a riot ).
On a smaller scale, you bring your "energy" to a set. The set doesn't necessarily like you or your energy at first. They might mock you. But a lot of sets eventually get into your energy.
Once they're in, then the target gets into it, the set encourages the energy between you two. That creates the "bond". Trust is assumed.
In terms of creating the heat/arousal necessary for the actual hook up, within the model (imo), the scenario has to be just right.
Spring Break, vacation, holiday, special occasion, mind altering substances, etc. She has to feel "free". Those scenarios are very common, don't get me wrong. But they aren't every night game scenario.
This is where they old school techniques actually shine imo. But the natural game, where everything has to be in the flow isn't the best. That said the goal is for everyone night to be epic. That's the mental model for natural game.
Different guys modify the natural game, and create vibes and frames that are less freeform than a purely natural game.
When the vibe is off, and you're just the life of the party, I think you still need some bit of structure and technique or frame. A chick can see Mr Good Times as just that.
Females tend to go along with a lot in the name of fun, until things get real. That's why they like to flirt. Flirt with guys, flirt with danger, flirt with dangerous guys.
I don't think "natural" game is easy to do for noobs. It's hard enough to understand, and not easy to put into practice.
For success, He has to have a good vibe and good energy going in and a tough skin for the rejection.
A lot of his good vibe depends on the guy getting into state, or always being in state.
And once you go down that road of "state" or "flow" , it's about getting help with trauma, deprogramming yourself, meditation, etc. All of us have internal blocks as well as social programming that stops us from chatting up everyone we see.
Tyler gets into this with Blueprint but this the realm of psychologist, psychiatrist, and philosophers.
This is literally that red pill/blue pill Matrix stuff. Can you see the strings being pulled on all human action, AND be able to do something about it?
Those things are all good, don't get me wrong. But it's a much longer road imo. And realistically to stick with pickup a guy needs actual results directly attributed to pickup. That was the value in canned game.
3's and 7's gets reaction.
"Who lies more" gets reaction.
Getting in state and talking to random girls is very hit and miss.
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His dancing seems pretty damn good, full of control and intentionality, so I am going to disagree with that point.
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well i think naturals refers to guys, men, who never needed to seek help from a dating coach or pick up artist, they just figured it out without having to seek help from others
