What is the capital city of the seduction community in 2023?

[Jan]

Sillicon Valley is the technological capital of the world, NYC or London is the financial capital of the world, but what is the seduction capital of the world in 2023?

When the book 'Game' was released, I think the good bet was Los Angeles, CA. I only know that many of the very famous seducers are from Canada (even if they don't really live there anymore).

Seduction community is clearly an underground and online based community, but I'm pretty sure there are some cities in the world where the number seducers and even more important the number of top seducers/innovators is the highest.

What are you bets?

I would say Las Vegas or Los Angeles.

 

[Teevster]

In europe it is and will always be london followed by bucharest and stockholm.

In Asia it was mostly Japan (the daygame innovators).

US always had an active crowd in Vegas, LA and NYC.

In south america guys used to go a lot to columbia, and brazil - they also had an active local crowd.

- Teevster

 

[Jan]

In Asia it was mostly Japan (the daygame innovators).

Any links/references about these Japanese daygame innovators?

 

[Skills]

Miami

 

[Teevster]

Any links/references about these Japanese daygame innovators?

http://www.pickupguide.com

This is where Maniac High posted his stuff, but it includes tons of materal from Svengali, TokyoPUA, Neo-Rio etc...

Well, hard to find references for anyting old school that barely is known by the public.

-Teevster

 

[Jan]

http://www.pickupguide.com

This is where Maniac High posted his stuff, but it includes tons of materal from Svengali, TokyoPUA, Neo-Rio etc...

Well, hard to find references for anyting old school that barely is known by the public.

-Teevster

Wow, this is some old school stuff. I hope someone is archiving these type of resources before they disappear into the abyss. Thanks!

 

[TomInHo]

LA is definitely not the capital. I live here and rarely run into much competition. But there are a lot of guys that are high status with good fundies. So to do decent here you will need better than average game

When I went NYC it was a single man’s paradise with endless sets to open anytime of the day

Vegas is insane for game because people literally go there to get laid. If you know what you’re doing it’s not unrealistic to pull multiple times in the same day

I’ve been to Miami and it hands down has the most beautiful women and I ran into a lot of guys that had legit game there

But I have friends in Colombia and Brazil and they swear it’s insanely easy there

Also there is a city in Poland called Warsaw that a lot of PUA’s seem to flock to. The women there are apparently stunning, friendly and not too difficult to lay if you have game

 

[Teevster]

Also there is a city in Poland called Warsaw that a lot of PUA’s seem to flock to.

Yeah I forgot Warsaw. It is the capitol of Poland FYI.

Also I forgot Miami. Thing is, LA has and will always be the bastion of PUA. Even if you don't run into PUA's does not mean it is not a place with plenty of them. Running into a real PUA is extremly rare - even in places where there are tons of them.

-Teevster

 

[ulrich]

Running into a real PUA is extremly rare - even in places where there are tons of them.

-Teevster

Unless every single one of them is gaming on the same street in London.

I recall guys complaining at some point that the PUA per m2 was insane.
Pretty sure that’s history by now.

 

[Gunwitch]

Any giant city it's gonna be about your free time and access/money. Neighborhoods matter lot more than name of the city.

NYC: making 48 grand a year, paying 24 grand a year for rent, you ain't gonna afford clubs with 25 dollar drinks and models.

LA: You never enter the TMZ (30 mile zone/hollywood/LA city/Santa Monica), or hit Newport beach, always out in East LA, gonna be slim pickens.

Vegas, You gotta get down to tourist action. You go grocery shopping in North Vegas hoping to see something? Or get on Tinder gold and check matches? It's all ninja turtles man.

Reno Nevada was a crazy exception, almost all German ancestry and 16s legal in Nevada, so daygame even the mall or poor areas, the girls are nice and skinny and caucasian as a rule, even if trailer trash, young or poor.

I'd only ever worry about location in pickup if moving to like a 100k town, might all not be your cup of tea racially etc. Any large city is gonna have neighborhoods you can jump around to get what you want. Vegas is nice because you can always take a cheap uber down to the strip on a saturday night and literally make up who you wanna meet and find it. Japanese girl with big fake tits? Scandinavian tourist? Someone who literally resembles a favorite popstar? Look around a couple hours and you'll see it on a busy night in one of the tourist clubs. You ain't gonna get that level of selection power anywhere else on planet.


Gun

 

[POB]

But I have friends in Colombia and Brazil and they swear it’s insanely easy there

Colombia: Definitely Medellin!! Best pick up city in Colombia by far. I've also seen some guys there doing daygame.
Cartagena has a lot of hookers and basically tourists.
Bogotá is meh...I was able to hook up with an amazing green eyed blond, but women there are usually very average.
Brazil: Rio, Floripa, Curitiba are the best ones...besides Rio, there's virtually no competition on the other two.
SP has all types of women (though a lot of the gorgeous ones are too much into climbing the social ladder).
I've been to a few upscale parties and the quality was top notch, but your game must be pristine to turn them around, especially if you are not in the seven figure a year club.

 

[pancakemouse]

In NYC we have about 150 serious action-taking guys in the community between daygame and nightgame. Not that much when you consider the population of the city. Only about 70 go out a few times a week.

Miami is not much better per-capita. Maybe 40 active guys in the "community".

Based on what I've heard, Warsaw is the new hotspot per-capita. Tokyo continues to be strong.

 

[Gunwitch]

I misunderstood that you kind of meant best place for it. Talking pure most students I get, is an easy gauge of most guys in a city, kind of betrays that they don't have as many hot women and have to learn more to get them. Kind of like the LA 7 is a NYC 10 joke.

I have just insane amounts of students NYC and Melbourne compared to everywhere else. So could call those the PUA student capitals in my experience if that's what you meant. Actual selection power though again would go Vegas. Is a curiosity that so many came out of Ontario for so long. Many moved to LA area too probably wanting to get on TV during the boom days.

Where is best for selection, where there are better genetics for more commonly acceptable hot women, where most originate from out of desperation cause there isn't abundant hot women, or most move to and congregate? Lot of criteria. If you're actually contemplating it out of more than curiosity, but somewhere to move? i'd pick best selection and best genetics you like looks wise, is a solo sport and can train a wingman. Don't wanna pick where to move based on most guys in community, they might be hard up cause their women look like shit as a rule.


Gun

 

[Jan]

I misunderstood that you kind of meant best place for it.

@Gunwitch My question isn't that specific. What I mostly had in mind is... which city has
- a high number of advanced, frontiers-level seducers who are pushing the knowledge beyond current levels
- a pretty high number of seducers of any level

I don't specifically focus on the number or quality of women in particular place, because I assume that if a place has a high number of good seducers, it's kind of obvious that quality/quantity of chicks have to be there.

 

[ulrich]

I don't specifically focus on the number or quality of women in particular place, because I assume that if a place has a high number of good seducers, it's kind of obvious that quality/quantity of chicks have to be there.

Easy with that logic.

With many things in life, the people who most focuses on something is the people that most needs it.
A place with a bad female to male ratio may be a breeding ground for PUAs because you need all the edge you can get.

 

[Gunwitch]

@Gunwitch My question isn't that specific. What I mostly had in mind is... which city has
- a high number of advanced, frontiers-level seducers who are pushing the knowledge beyond current levels
- a pretty high number of seducers of any level

I don't specifically focus on the number or quality of women in particular place, because I assume that if a place has a high number of good seducers, it's kind of obvious that quality/quantity of chicks have to be there.

LA then

If you're trying to get access to the most guys trying to be innovative just by sheer numbers (they flock there for 25 million local population to pull seminar attendance from), other irons in the fire (while running workshops, can be going on auditions for reality shows or camera work for porn, you name it), plus guys move there as pickup gurus because there are lot of hot women on top of it.

Goes back to can pay them for access. Might be a lair someplace like NYC with actually better concentration of PUAs skills wise. Hard to know. They may not wing with you, or suddenly vanish for 3 months though. Guys on commercial side of it are gonna be more consistent, accessible and plentiful.


Gun

 

[pancakemouse]

Goes back to can pay them for access. Might be a lair someplace like NYC with actually better concentration of PUAs skills wise. Hard to know. They may not wing with you, or suddenly vanish for 3 months though. Guys on commercial side of it are gonna be more consistent, accessible and plentiful.

Accurate.

There are three guys in NYC who are far better than anyone else I have met anywhere in the world (hundreds of PUAs in a dozen different cities).

They operate in the shadows.

One of them does private coaching though, and I can say it's the best deal in the industry right now.