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What is the point of gaming when most girls pretty much know they're being seduced?

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Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I just posted a failed FR and that is an example where girls know that they're being gamed. So, how do you still game them knowing that they know it?

Thread 'Failed date with hot Albanian model :('
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/failed-date-with-hot-albanian-model.25618/

All the girls I meet these days pretty much know that it's a game. So, why would they play along? It creates cognitive dissonance in me.
 

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All the girls I meet these days pretty much know that it's a game. So, why would they play along? It creates cognitive dissonance in me.

- Causality
- Play of Existence
- Reality
- Reality (Ideology)

To make it simple, how can you manipulate women to vote for you, give you kids, make you a sandwich
when she is actually doing all the work.

The thing is our brain and heart, functions the same way. And it continues to all our lifes.

She is enjoying the game ALSO because she doesn't know it.

TLDR: I have a lot of shit. Chase would be annoyed. Some things in life are not meant to be use incorrectly. It's "irresponsible". The secret is in this video. WARNING: It's kinda moves your brain if you get what Natasha said. If you guys want more MIND CONTROL STUFF, DM ME. I make her be like Red Alert 2 Yuri 'mind controlled'. :p



z@c+
 

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Of course they know (women are as smart as men)... and if your fundamentals, logistics and "game" is good enough, you score. However, if you go "moronic direct" (I like you, so come to my house and let's fuck), you don't score.
 

Karea Ricardus D.

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The question presupposes that you're trying to trick her. That is the wrong frame entirely.

Besides, you opened her direct... so of course she knows you're interested in her from the opener.
So, why would they play along?
Because they find you attractive. That is the only reason why they would.

So... that begs the question, why would she find you attractive?

And the answer is all over this forum and blog but in short... because they can tell from your bodylanguage, fashion, nonverbals, conversational skills that you're a leader type, you have a tribe and you're the one who's running it... and you're a guy who has women in his life already.

If you can present yourself as this guy, women will be drawn to you like iron filings to a f'in magnet.

WHOOMP! Like the laptop and that giant magnet in Breaking Bad.

That begs another question, how do you present yourself as this guy?

Well... there's two ways, you can fake it or you can actually become it. You may have to fake it til you make it for a little while but you should always work on actually becoming that guy. Every day. That is step 1.

I posted some details on how to do this in your FR that you linked up here.

-Karea.
 

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Lots of good replies in this thread.

I'll throw in one other to the mix: because it is the human courtship ritual.

All animals have them. You mostly can't skip them.


The female sits there and watches / plays along while the male does his thing. If all goes well they proceed to gene-mixing.

If it goes awry the female leaves in disappointment and ends up entertaining another suitor's mating dance to see if this one can seduce her.




Chase
 

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All the girls I meet these days pretty much know that it's a game. So, why would they play along? It creates cognitive dissonance in me.

Because girls love sex and game is foreplay

Hard to bake a tasty cake if the oven is pre heated... if you catch my drift
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

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Beacause she wants to sleep with you but biology and society has built some hurdles inside her which don't allow her do it care-free and she wants you to remove those hurdles so she can surrender to the feeling freely.

And also, it's fun.

Like, what is the point of watching a sunset? You know what's going to happen...
 

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Because girls love sex and game is foreplay

Hard to bake a tasty cake if the oven is pre heated... if you catch my drift
Would you possibly say "love" is to strong of a word? I guess they love sex with an above average man but on general maybe they are indifferent towards sex? I would say men love based on the amount of effort most men exert to secure it
 

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Thanks everyone for your answers.

The question presupposes that you're trying to trick her. That is the wrong frame entirely.
Agree.
Because they find you attractive. That is the only reason why they would.
This was an eye-opener for my inner game today.

I understood that fundamentals are a way to make the girl attracted to you to "talk" to her and from there you have to do something else to seduce her. But today I get what "seduction" actually means. She's attracted to me from the get go and I just don't fuck it up along the way. (I had read things like this in the past but it hadn't sunk in me well). Being the person who she saw when I opened is what she looks forward to throughout the seduction journey. Thinking of it as "game" was my problem. Wow! This hit the nail right on the head.

Thanks @karea for your feedback on the field report as well

Of course they know (women are as smart as men)... and if your fundamentals, logistics and "game" is good enough, you score. However, if you go "moronic direct" (I like you, so come to my house and let's fuck), you don't score.
True. It's a lot easier said than done but I totally agree with you

I'm glad girls aren't at least as bad as a tarantula
:D

:p
 

trashKENNUT

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*cough cough*

It's just a play of existence. Don't give attention to it :D


 

Karea Ricardus D.

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I understood that fundamentals are a way to make the girl attracted to you to "talk" to her and from there you have to do something else to seduce her. But today I get what "seduction" actually means. She's attracted to me from the get go
Sometimes, but not necessarily.... because women are attracted to a litany of male traits, and many of these attractive traits take time to display. A competent pickup artist can make a girl attracted to him in a few minutes and totally into him in 25-40 minutes.

The attraction is only instantaneous if she totally loves your first impression (looks, fashion, body language, vibe, etc.). Green lights. This will not be enough for average looking guys who want to sleep with hot girls. I usually get this from 6s.

But most girls will be yellow lights... average looks + great fundamentals + 25-40 minutes of solid game, will be enough to get hot girls who are yellow lights.

If you're high momentum and have a strong sexual vibe, or if you have social proof, that will also be enough and can be done in just a few minutes, not 25-40. You can even get red lights this way.
Thinking of it as "game" was my problem. Wow! This hit the nail right on the head.
I still think of it as a game, but I think of it as a game that I play with her, not against her.
 
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Sometimes, but not necessarily.... because women are attracted to a litany of male traits, and many of these attractive traits take time to display. A competent pickup artist can make a girl attracted to him in a few minutes and totally into him in 25-40 minutes.
After I read your previous answer, I started thinking and looking things from a different perspective and I must say, there's a major shift in my confidence. It's more like inner-confidence

I still think of it as a game, but I think of it as a game that I play with her, not against her.
I also looked up for your articles and your x-factor article resonated with me so much, very close to my kind of "game". When I'm having a good momentum, I'll be in that state but when my momentum is bad, I'll be the opposite of it, deep down in the gutter too
 

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After I read your previous answer, I started thinking and looking things from a different perspective and I must say, there's a major shift in my confidence. It's more like inner-confidence
Awesome. Yes, she likes you for YOU. She really does.

Just not instantly, because she doesn't know YOU yet.

So how COULD she like you for you initially... before you display who YOU are?

This is the whole point of indirect game.

20-25 minutes is all it takes and your success ratio can be 1 in 3 (as opposed to direct walking street stop 1 in 30).
 

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I just posted a failed FR and that is an example where girls know that they're being gamed. So, how do you still game them knowing that they know it?

Thread 'Failed date with hot Albanian model :('
https://www.skilledseducer.com/threads/failed-date-with-hot-albanian-model.25618/

All the girls I meet these days pretty much know that it's a game. So, why would they play along? It creates cognitive dissonance in me.
Because it's not always a dude trying to convince them against their will. Which is how your approaching it. Of course a woman knows what is going on, unless your technique is getting them so drunk that they're oblivious which isn't a good idea.

Women like sex. Accept that.. just more risky for them in the long run so more pickiness from the ones who are responsible. Then on the other hand there are women who are such nymphs game is barely necessary. Branch out of your places you've been going cuz obviously you've been unsuccessful there and the memories alone will throw you out of flow-state if you happen to attain it.

I'd experiment to get yourself back on the horse.. get an escort just to have some intimate time with a woman without the stress of pickup which doesn't work for a lot of men. There are more strategies to getting women than just the stuff you've read about.

Seriously though, I was into PUA material many years ago but barely ever use anything that's in those books besides basics and fundamentals. The suggestions and pickup lines are trash and more likely to ruin your chances than improve them. And always remember to think outside the box. Don't read chases material or others and box yourself up into it like it's the only way to succeed.. just being so outcome dependent and thirsty is screwing you up and showing in your body language..

Do whatever works and get a solid frame that moves for no one unless willing to. Watch movies and observe couples you know, and think about how they met, the majority of them probably are unique and weren't the result of any day game night game strategy BS.

Screw all of that and just try to be calibrated as much as possible in every situation, talk to everyone, get a job in sales.... just suggestions but these things excelled my true confidence and momentum and sales made me unafraid to talk to any woman regardless of hotness, the hotter the better. And I'm no pretty boy either. There are masses of women that don't get turned on by pretty guys and actually love the rugged look, as long as it's on purpose and not from lack of hygiene.

But until you get some your probably gonna feel weird escalating things, especially since you seem to carry a sense of taboo prob from childhood, instilled by moms who convince their sons that they are to close their eyes when nudity is on t.v. and that trying to have sex with a woman is perverted and immoral... it's complete horseshit and gives guys a nagging complex into adulthood oftentimes. I myself had a mom who acted like that to a degree but it's all not true. She herself doesn't believe that men who try to seduce are "perverted" with a bad connotation...

Lol I'm not gonna go into the reasons women act goofy and instead suggest you do like I did and just disregard it all and work from your own frame or pull women into yours, don't get pulled into hers or anyone else's, if she says your perverted say "its kinda hard not to be with women like you around" and smile and stop hindering yourself. Your mind screws you over and rejects you way more than any women do
 

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What you are talking about is the case of the long term committed couple as well. You still have to seduce her AND VICE VERSA...

You know how tough it is KNOWing this woman will be in your bed whether she wants sex or not ? Bringing your A-game....

The Mind and the Heart are the two most important sex organs. Don't forget that.....
 
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