Advanced Technique What to do when you are exceptionally good looking guy?

[Phil277]

So i'm this guy, great pretty boy eyes, masculine jawline etc.
I'm in my late twenties, i'm 6ft, 200lbs slim-muscular, weightlifting for 5 years now.
I dress well, groom well, hair is done properly, medium length. I can be extremely witty, warm, funny and kind.
I'm very familiar with the game since my early twenties, so i don't do any those awful mistakes about being
needy and insecure, putting too much value on a woman, apologetic etc. I'm familiar with David DeAngelo material
since early twenties, read all his books and watched all dvd's. Read Corey Wayne's book, how to be 3% percent man,
watched lot of his youtube videos. Some other books about being real man etc. I'm still digging in Chase's material.

Typical what happens is, i date a girl, we have awesome time, have really good connection. She is very interested
while we're face to face, is touchy, talks a lot about herself and everything and even goes for a kiss herself!

but then something happens, she completely shuts off, after couple of days they wont respond much anymore.
i write her off after several attempts to meet up, months or years go by, and she is in realationship with some average dude.

I do have lot of luck with girls that are too young(early twenties) or girls with narcissistic tendencies, unrealisticly
high selfesteem. But i'm not after them, i'm interested in long term realationship with girl around my age.

I get this feedback from some girls: your too good looking, you probably have lot of girls in your life,
you're probably player by they way you look and are. You are suspiciously too charming. You do this with lot of girls.

So what i learned from those pickup artist, they have one thing in common, they are not good looking, average or even
slightly to ugly side or maybe just okey looking, girls are not intimitated by them, they are harmless, safe and attainable.

Lot of this PUA material is toxic to those exceptionally good looking dudes. Cant make girls chase you, cant play
those games push and pull. See you when I have time for you and so on. Acting slightly uninterested, aloof or bored.
Girls run and lock out even at the slightest resistance and they wont even try to meet up with you. After their illogical
mind has kicked in and decided that i and he cant just work out, there's nothing that words can do.

Almost every girl has some insecurities, at least when she's in her late twenties-early thirties, she may be single mom,
she probably don't look that good and sexy when she was in her teens, maybe few extra pounds. So solutions cant be that date
only girls with high self-esteem. There is nothing wrong when girl has some self esteem issues,
i can work with that, that doesn't make her unworthy.

What should i do differently than those average dudes?

i guess:
moderately pursuing.
lot of assurance that i'm interested for long term relationship, not after looks or sex.
more compliments to those girls that are low self esteem.
lot of contact and meeting up in shorter period of time.
moving faster, popping the relationship idea up myself.
Being very available, very interested, being cutesy, lots of cute texts.
not trying to get them to bed early.

basically being the dude in romantic latin soap opera.

 

[Phil277]

i actually did go out with one girl recently, after reading about article about deep diving.

so i managed to pull out almost all her life story and spoke about myself very little, i only
gave answers that somehow satisfies her and turned conversation back to her again. I acted really interested,
made great eye contact, no teasing at all. And i did get her back to my place, not to bed thou. We had great time
and lots of fun. She's average looking single mom.

She said "wow", when we met, said that i didn't look like she expected, she has only seen social media pictures of me.

i contacted her after two days to arrange next date, she was like, "well ..eh.. if you really want to.. then sure"
she seemed not really enthusiastic about that.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

If you're not fucking girls on the first date, they're getting self-conscious. That's why they're going cold on you.

Play your game really safe with regards to teasing and aloofness, err on the side of "too nice," and bed these girls REALLY fast. The best natural I've ever seen is this stunningly gorgeous guy who has this really effeminate body language, doesn't deep dive that much, is super nice (always smiling, touching girls, and acting like a girl, really), and just bangs girls out first time, always always always. He NEVER goes on dates. He'll either close at the nightclub or get her number and then text her something like

"hey, so imma be honest, I really want to have sex. Just hookup, nothing serious. But if not, that's totally cool!"

Girls eat it up. And I'm starting to adopt the style, too. Even if you're not gorgeous like him (I'm pretty handsome, but not on his level), you can makeup for it by getting your fundamentals down (which you seem to have). Attraction is attraction, and with men, we can overcome most physical inferiority with game.

Really, you're overthinking it. Try for the next 10 girls to just be really nice, compliment them, touch them a lot, and then in like 10-20 minutes invite them home, maybe even quicker. Don't even go on dates.

This won't work if you're too aloof/cold/rude/teasing, however; they'll flag you as a player and won't go home with you. They'll make you work harder than you should have to.

This also works if you're not really "book smart" (limited vocab, can't deep dive well, etc). Makes you a dick-with-legs really easy (but hurts your long-term viability).

Hector

 

[Bboy100]

Hey dude,

This is a great podcast for you: http://thematinggrounds.com/qa-girls-as ... t-do-i-do/
Addresses exactly what you're talking about.

I'm also a pretty good looking guy. Probably not quite on your level (I'm not as tall as you, and I'm still sitting at around 18% bodyfat, so I have a little bit of weight to lose), but I've had quite a few girls come up to me and tell me I'm cute, grab my ass, catcall me, assume I'm a player 2 mins into conversation etc. What I can tell you from experience is that you need to

1.Tone down the amount of teasing/David D material. In fact, I can't recall when, but I distinctly remember he himself saying that C & F is not as effective for guys who are extremely attractive because it kills attainability.
2. Qualify her. When she leaves an interaction with you, she should know exactly why you like her. If she has a shadow of a doubt in her mind that you're actually into her, she's going to assume you're out of her league.
3. Drop all the acting disinterested/aloof type stuff. Obviously you're not a naturally supplicative or needy person. So for you, it's probably ok to behave genuinely. The reason David D and all the other pickup gurus suggest behaviors which are extra aloof or disinterested is because most guys who get into this stuff are FAR too needy. So when they try to "act aloof" what they're really doing is coming across as challenging but still attainable. When you do it, you just come across as totally unattainable and women auto-reject.


Also, like Radeng said...it's your game not your looks. Despite the fact that I'm significantly better than average looking, if I'm having an off day and act uncaliberated, girls will still blow me off all night.

 

[Phil277]

thanks for reply.

i found some very good articles myself too:

http://www.theapproach.com/art_attraction_model.php
http://www.vinaywcmd.com/2013/12/the-la ... ctive.html

i have recently been hitting gym very often, lost lot of weight. now around 189 pound with low bodyfat, 11% maybe.
i changed lot about my behavior when dealing with women, i act more positive and playful, smile a lot.
completely dropped tough guy look and i try not wear anything that makes me look like bodybuilder.

i removed all top notch pictures on tinder, replaced those with some average selfies.
And i try to keep recently met girls away from my facebook profile, there has been some moments
when i do really well with somebody and they find my profile and see all the awesome stuff i'm doing and
they go cold.

i don't really do cold approach often. Only when girl has given me some hint that she may have some interest. Or
i just try to be indirect and ask something about some random stuff just to make sure she ain't vicious, before i get to
the point. I'm just too sensitive to get rejected straight to face.

 

[trashKENNUT]

Phil277,

Mindset too.

One thing to note. "IF she already likes you, don't doubt it. Just progress and clear obstacles".

What i mean is we guys also tend to forget that we can abandon our process of getting girls and just go.

Zac

 

[Seppuku]

Hey Phil,

I'm with Hector (Anatman) on this: with your level of fundamentals, if you don't make sex happen on the first date, you're done.

your too good looking, you probably have lot of girls in your life,
you're probably player by they way you look and are. You are suspiciously too charming. You do this with lot of girls.

In Girls Chase you must have read about the concept of "escalation windows". In my experience, the more you are perceived as "good with girls", the shorter your escalation window will be. They think you're having tons of girls, and therefore they just expect you to make it happen fast. And if you don't, they think that it's because they are not attractive enough for you... Autoreject... Bye!

I would bet this is what is happening with the girl you mention:

And i did get her back to my place, not to bed thou.

All went well, you took her home... But sex didn't happen. Oops! Now she thinks she's not at the level of your sexual standards, and decides this must have been only friendship. No wonder her reaction. In general, you cannot afford taking a girl home and not trying to get her in bed.

I see how you work on (still) improving your fundamentals, applying the deep diving etc... All that is good. But the one tweak that will really skyrocket your game at this point is to escalate to sex on the first date.

If you look good, you're expected to be good! Don't disappoint and swipe them on their feet. They will be grateful.

I hope that helps!
Cheers,
Seppuku
PS. By the way, the correct response to "You do it with a lot of girls" is "Yes. Six last week". Certainly not deny.